Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

[Duke Wellington]

19 hours ago, stevewinn said:

• 406 constituencies voted to Leave, 242 voted to remain.
• 148 Labour constituencies voted to Leave, 84 voted to Remain
• 247 Tory constituencies voted to Leave, 80 voted to Remain.
• 9 regions voted to Leave, 3 voted to Remain.
• 160 MP’s voted to Leave 486 voted to Remain.

Whatever else MPs may claim to represent, it is clear they are not representative on Brexit.

Most of the remain ones were in London, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.

Basically everywhere that is low in English or Welsh people. In Scotland 35% of population hate Britain and would love the break up the UK. Despite our union being more valuable to their economy than the EU. London is filled up with a modern international bourgeoisie class with no loyalties to anyone but themselves. And Northern Ireland, well they are legitimately concerned about trade barriers affected their local economy.

Personally if we had too, then I`m prepared to ditch either Scotland or NI to get out of the EU. And lets be clear, North Sea Oil was never a Scottish asset it was a UK one so they are only getting 10% of it because Scots are just under 10% of the UK population.

[stevewinn]

18 minutes ago, Setton said:

Yes Steve just said we couldn't win it so why not just have one? Then nobody could claim you're denying the people a say. 

Hardly terrified of a general election. More that the most pressing issue right now is Brexit. A single issue is best settled by referendum not election. You have previously claimed an election cannot deliver an opinion on Brexit so when did you change your mind? 

As soon as this pathetic attempt at a coup has been seen off, let's have that election. 

Trouble with a referendum is they have shown themselves unwilling to implement the vote. So you want us to hold another ref with the same MPs.

No. no. no A price has to be paid by this parliament. Were not letting them off scot free.

Let the people show their gratitude in a GE.

If the remainers are right then a remainer parliament will be returned. And surely such a parliament would revoke Article 50. The ultimate prize without the risk of losing a second ref.

But this remainer parliament is running scared, a GE puts them out of a job and on the street.

No wonder remainers favour a ref over  a GE. Because when they lose again. They want the same MPs to remain in place to frustrate it again. An insurance policy if you will.

 

[Setton]

49 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Trouble with a referendum is they have shown themselves unwilling to implement the vote. So you want us to hold another ref with the same MPs.

No. no. no A price has to be paid by this parliament. Were not letting them off scot free.

Let the people show their gratitude in a GE.

If the remainers are right then a remainer parliament will be returned. And surely such a parliament would revoke Article 50. The ultimate prize without the risk of losing a second ref.

But this remainer parliament is running scared, a GE puts them out of a job and on the street.

No wonder remainers favour a ref over  a GE. Because when they lose again. They want the same MPs to remain in place to frustrate it again. An insurance policy if you will.

 

But, as you said with the EU elections, people vote on all sorts of issues in an election so you definitely can't use it to judge public opinion on Brexit. 

The only way you can is through a referendum. 

Unfortunately for you, the reality is that most of this parliament has tried hard to deliver the Brexit the leave campaign promised. It's just a shame that promise was always unicorns and rainbows. So now you claim they have tried to ignore the result just because they won't implement the extreme version you want, that nobody voted for. 

Your coup is floundering and you're desperate to get other MPs in in the hope the next parliament is less wise to your deceit. 

[Unusual Tournament]

8 hours ago, stevewinn said:

I wish the German people well.

I don't believe you. Your bitter criticism of German industry and political influence is fact. 

[Unusual Tournament]

8 hours ago, stevewinn said:

when you don't understand why Remain lost the first vote you have no chance of winning a second vote. please carry on.

comical that you disregard the established reasons for brexit and don't provide the reasons you think. 

[stevewinn]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

But, as you said with the EU elections, people vote on all sorts of issues in an election so you definitely can't use it to judge public opinion on Brexit. 

The only way you can is through a referendum. 

Unfortunately for you, the reality is that most of this parliament has tried hard to deliver the Brexit the leave campaign promised. It's just a shame that promise was always unicorns and rainbows. So now you claim they have tried to ignore the result just because they won't implement the extreme version you want, that nobody voted for. 

Your coup is floundering and you're desperate to get other MPs in in the hope the next parliament is less wise to your deceit. 

Any forthcoming GE will be on the UK's future direction post Brexit. Entirely different to the European elections. 

Parliament voted to trigger Article 50. Unanimously. It stated a 2 year negotiation period would follow until the exit date. All MPs knew that If no agreement could be reached by that date the UK & EU would part ways without a Deal. That 2 year period as expired. Now the agreement. The EU's best agreement in their words has been voted down 3 times by this parliament. The UK therefore should have exited on the 29th March. The extention to 12th April. Then to the 31st October as not resolved the fact the EU as said it won't reopen the WA. So, faced with this reality where do the remainers think a deal is coming from?

Its clear and we all know the aim is not a deal but to deny the referendum and remain. And this constant attempt to prevent Democracy as cost us £7Bn pounds. What a bloody waste. 

If Remain would have won. There would have been no second vote. 

Let's have a GE and let the cards land where they land. 

MPs in this parliament have to face the consequences of their actions. GE. All day. 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2019 by stevewinn

[stevewinn]

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

I don't believe you. Your bitter criticism of German industry and political influence is fact. 

Does it make a difference if you believe me or not. NO. 

I find it rather funny what you said would be happening to the UK is happening not to the UK but Germany & eurozone. And their not leaving the EU. 

Such posts highlighting this must play havoc with your ability to comprehend what's happening. Why is a Brexiting UK rising while Germany and the Eurozone is going down the chitter. 

 

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

comical that you disregard the established reasons for brexit and don't provide the reasons you think. 

It's rather simple. People voted to Leave. Because, grip your seat with your thighs. Because they wanted to leave the EU. It's as simple as that. It is an error to argue in front of your data. You can find yourself insensibly twisting them round to suit your theories. There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact. 

[Unusual Tournament]

55 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Does it make a difference if you believe me or not. NO. 

I find it rather funny what you said would be happening to the UK is happening not to the UK but Germany & eurozone. And their not leaving the EU. 

Such posts highlighting this must play havoc with your ability to comprehend what's happening. Why is a Brexiting UK rising while Germany and the Eurozone is going down the chitter. 

Brexit is wreaking havoc on the union and politics. Economically the UK is still in the EU and enjoying its benefits. Gloat all you like the proof is in the pudding and that will be eaten soon enough. Of course unlike you and your incessant humming of the theme tune for Dambusters i hope the shock to the UK economy and people is minimal.  

[bee]

 

Project Fear is still going strong and propaganda media outlet Sky News now flashes up
a full screen pic with the words 'BREXIT CRISIS' before the break (they did last night on the bit I saw
anyway..)

'Brexit Latest' just isn't an alarming enough message... obviously

It's basically a Fake Crisis anyway.. a crisis  that has been manufactured by the Remain side 
because Remainers won't accept the referendum result and give 'losers consent' to the democratic
process.... THEY have created the crisis and THEY ARE the crisis..

 

Edited September 14, 2019 by bee

[Duke Wellington]

12 hours ago, Setton said:

But, as you said with the EU elections, people vote on all sorts of issues in an election so you definitely can't use it to judge public opinion on Brexit. 

The only way you can is through a referendum. 

Unfortunately for you, the reality is that most of this parliament has tried hard to deliver the Brexit the leave campaign promised. It's just a shame that promise was always unicorns and rainbows. So now you claim they have tried to ignore the result just because they won't implement the extreme version you want, that nobody voted for. 

Your coup is floundering and you're desperate to get other MPs in in the hope the next parliament is less wise to your deceit. 

Your kind are not evading Democracy by running a 2nd election (the result of which you can also ignore). Get back under your bridge! lmao

[Duke Wellington]

8 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Brexit is wreaking havoc on the union and politics. Economically the UK is still in the EU and enjoying its benefits. Gloat all you like the proof is in the pudding and that will be eaten soon enough. Of course unlike you and your incessant humming of the theme tune for Dambusters i hope the shock to the UK economy and people is minimal.  

Actually the current state of limbo is causing us economic good times.

The German manufacturing sector continues to contract and the figures for UK economic growth in July are out. That month our GDP grew 0.3%. Are the German figures out yet? Have they officially gone into recession? 

The Germans want us out but the French are preventing a deal.

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, bee said:

 

Project Fear is still going strong and propaganda media outlet Sky News now flashes up
a full screen pic with the words 'BREXIT CRISIS' before the break (they did last night on the bit I saw
anyway..)

'Brexit Latest' just isn't an alarming enough message... obviously

It's basically a Fake Crisis anyway.. a crisis  that has been manufactured by the Remain side 
because Remainers won't accept the referendum result and give 'losers consent' to the democratic
process.... THEY have created the crisis and THEY ARE the crisis..

 

Can you blame them? UK is behaving like a failed inept state.  

[stevewinn]

9 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Brexit is wreaking havoc on the union and politics. Economically the UK is still in the EU and enjoying its benefits. Gloat all you like the proof is in the pudding and that will be eaten soon enough. Of course unlike you and your incessant humming of the theme tune for Dambusters i hope the shock to the UK economy and people is minimal.  

I've said and highlighted from day one the benefit of the UK's membership of the single market is minimal.1% benefit to GDP over the lifetime of our membership. one only has to look at the numbers, they don't back your argument and prophecy of doom. that's why your forecasts are NOT materialising. even your push it down the road broken clock strategy isn't going to work. Don't you ever stop and think. its been 3 years. there should be no companies left in the UK. tumble weed should be blowing across the landscape. 

Here we are on the cusp of leaving, ready to go over the so called 'cliff edge' and everything is up, employment at record high. wages up, Economy growing, There are currently 812,000 unfilled jobs in the UK. 

Its like the way the remoaners concentrate on the port of Dover, Dover is not even in the top 10 of the busiest cargo ports in the UK. there are 120 cargo ports in the UK. ports such as Dover and Calais on the French side are commercial ports, they dont want to see their market share transferred to rival ports. so where is the delay coming from? the companies who carry food and medicine from europe are carried by logistic companies highly adaptive, their forte is as the name suggest logistics. like when the French are on one of their many annual strikes. like in 2015 when they blocked the port for 6 weeks. did we run out of food, did we run out of medicine.

its disgusting the way the remoaners play on the fears, especially worrying the vulnerable, and sick.

This is the clincher, at the end of the day. Private sector businesses are not going to make themselves bankrupt because remoaners want to continue project fear. (think about that)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[stevewinn]

1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

Actually the current state of limbo is causing us economic good times.

The German manufacturing sector continues to contract and the figures for UK economic growth in July are out. That month our GDP grew 0.3%. Are the German figures out yet? Have they officially gone into recession? 

The Germans want us out but the French are preventing a deal.

It just goes to show when the Govt isnt meddling the economy flourishes. and that should be the way forward, deregulated, less red tape business environment.

 

[Duke Wellington]

14 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

It just goes to show when the Govt isnt meddling the economy flourishes. and that should be the way forward, deregulated, less red tape business environment.

 

There is nothing wrong with a weak pound so long as we dont import too much.

Its the food imports which will hit UK households the hardest. But manufacturing jobs are booming.

 

[Setton]

2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Your kind are not evading Democracy by running a 2nd election (the result of which you can also ignore). Get back under your bridge! lmao

So we should just continue with his parliament and the vague mandate of the first referendum? 

Excellent. 

[Setton]

2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Actually the current state of limbo is causing us economic good times.

The German manufacturing sector continues to contract and the figures for UK economic growth in July are out. That month our GDP grew 0.3%. Are the German figures out yet? Have they officially gone into recession? 

The Germans want us out but the French are preventing a deal.

GDP growth for July before the referendum was 2.3% (averaged). 

You must be so proud. 

[L.A.T.1961]

It looks as though the LibDems are worried about Labour's increasingly anti brexit stance winning votes from remainers and are now considering an even more extreme anti democratic position.   

I can see this policy backfiring spectacularly with the UK electorate, if they are ever given a GE vote  

 

"Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson says she hopes to convince members to back a policy of scrapping Brexit without another referendum - She told the BBC: "The Liberal Democrats are crystal clear. We want to stop Brexit... If a Liberal Democrat majority government is elected, then we should revoke Article 50."

 

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49698800

 

 

 

 

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

GDP growth for July before the referendum was 2.3% (averaged). 

You must be so proud. 

It has never been 2.3% in a month, what in Gods name are you on about?

You are looking at quarter figures or something?

Edited September 14, 2019 by RabidMongoose

[stevewinn]

48 minutes ago, Setton said:

GDP growth for July before the referendum was 2.3% (averaged). 

You must be so proud. 

real proud. You said there would be a recession. you said there would be 800,000 job losses. We avoided all that and the Economy as continued to grow ever since. 3 years on and during that time the UK has out performed even the Eurozone. including Germany France and Italy. 

not a bad record. better than a broken record like yourself.

 

[stevewinn]

42 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

It looks as though the LibDems are worried about Labour's increasingly anti brexit stance winning votes from remainers and are now considering an even more extreme anti democratic position.   

I can see this policy backfiring spectacularly with the UK electorate, if they are ever given a GE vote  

 

"Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson says she hopes to convince members to back a policy of scrapping Brexit without another referendum - She told the BBC: "The Liberal Democrats are crystal clear. We want to stop Brexit... If a Liberal Democrat majority government is elected, then we should revoke Article 50."

 

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49698800

 

 

 

 

Lib dems are all over the place, their leader is on the record saying if there was a second referendum and it was Leave they'd ignore it. Now they'd revoke it.

Does the demographic of the lib dem membership ring true, to being that of the Remoaners? Were told ALL Remainers are the 'yoof' of tomorrow.

Here's the Lib Dems storm troopers.

 

[itsnotoutthere]

4 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Can you blame them? UK is behaving like a failed inept state.  

Yes, and you can thank Labour, Liberal & Conservative politicians & the msm for that.

[Setton]

4 hours ago, stevewinn said:

real proud. You said there would be a recession. you said there would be 800,000 job losses. We avoided all that and the Economy as continued to grow ever since. 3 years on and during that time the UK has out performed even the Eurozone. including Germany France and Italy. 

not a bad record. better than a broken record like yourself.

 

At the risk of sounding like said broken record, please show where I said any of those things would happen before we left. 

Of course, you'll just have your usual line of 'we all know you did' without a shred of evidence. Because reality, facts and proof don't really matter to liars and traitors, do they? 

[Duke Wellington]

36 minutes ago, Setton said:

At the risk of sounding like said broken record, please show where I said any of those things would happen before we left. 

Of course, you'll just have your usual line of 'we all know you did' without a shred of evidence. Because reality, facts and proof don't really matter to liars and traitors, do they? 

I remember economic lie after economic lie coming from you.

[stevewinn]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

At the risk of sounding like said broken record, please show where I said any of those things would happen before we left. 

Of course, you'll just have your usual line of 'we all know you did' without a shred of evidence. Because reality, facts and proof don't really matter to liars and traitors, do they? 

Are you not of the remain fraternity?