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A bit of nostalgia from 2015.

Here are direct quotes from the original 2015 Tory Manifesto about EU membership.  They were elected to abide that manifesto.


"We will then put these changes to the British people in a straight in-out referendum on our membership of the EU"

"We will hold that in-out referendum before the end of 2017 and respect the outcome"

"We will respect the will of the people"

"We will honour the result of the referendum whatever the outcome"
 

 

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17 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

The  hypocrisy is astounding, the EU & Ireland (though the latter doesn't have a choice) pretend to take the moral high ground insisting the backstop must stay in place though don't appear to give a 5hit about the violence that would incur if NI were forced to stay in the EU. 

and some don't seem to give a 5hit, that the majority in NI would prefer to stay in the EU, or that the majority in NI would prefer, if out of the EU, to remain in trading alignment. 

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12 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

A bit of nostalgia from 2015.

Here are direct quotes from the original 2015 Tory Manifesto about EU membership.  They were elected to abide that manifesto.


"We will then put these changes to the British people in a straight in-out referendum on our membership of the EU"

"We will hold that in-out referendum before the end of 2017 and respect the outcome"

"We will respect the will of the people"

"We will honour the result of the referendum whatever the outcome"
 

 

and they probably could have done that if that 2015 Tory  govt had not held a GE in 2017 and lost its majority.

and since we had an election in 2017 the Tory manifesto if 2015 is null and void.

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Rumours are circulating through our office that Boris has something up his sleeve. A loophole in the new law that parliament passed last week forcing the PM to ask for an extension. 

No details yet. 

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24 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

and they probably could have done that if that 2015 Tory  govt had not held a GE in 2017 and lost its majority.

and since we had an election in 2017 the Tory manifesto if 2015 is null and void.

Exactly this. 

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30 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Rumours are circulating through our office that Boris has something up his sleeve. A loophole in the new law that parliament passed last week forcing the PM to ask for an extension. 

No details yet. 

 

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2 hours ago, RAyMO said:

and some don't seem to give a 5hit, that the majority in NI would prefer to stay in the EU, or that the majority in NI would prefer, if out of the EU, to remain in trading alignment. 

The UK vote as one.

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4 hours ago, RAyMO said:

and they probably could have done that if that 2015 Tory  govt had not held a GE in 2017 and lost its majority.

and since we had an election in 2017 the Tory manifesto if 2015 is null and void.

The referendum was held on 2015 election terms in 2016, before the 2017 election.

To suggest that did not happen is rewriting history. Even the LibDems have not suggested that, yet.

Although apparently they are working with the BBC on a DR Who Christmas special where the doctor goes back and rigs the votes to favour remain. Stay tuned. ;)

 

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1 hour ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

The referendum was held on 2015 election terms in 2016, before the 2017 election.

To suggest that did not happen is rewriting history. Even the LibDems have not suggested that, yet.

Although apparently they are working with the BBC on a DR Who Christmas special where the doctor goes back and rigs the votes to favour remain. Stay tuned. ;)

 

The point had nothing to do with referendum.

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8 hours ago, RAyMO said:

you are right but only to a point - watch the DUP in coming days refer to any new agreement whereby NI stays aligned with the EU in any terms other than 'backstop'.

Boris needs a deal: a GE, which will take place in November during the unavoidable chaos from a No Deal Brexit, would end his premiership very rapidly. So something has to give and that something, from his perspective, will be NI.

We will most likely leave on 31/10/2019 with a NI [constitutional safeguard] or other such name and otherwise the existing WA.

The Brexit referendum was legally advisory - even Farage admits that.

However Referendums in the the UK can be legally binding if set up properly: A UK referendum will only have the force of law if the Act setting it up says so.

so there no reason a future referendum cannot be legally binding.

so we're likely to leave with a WA for NI but no GE?

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42 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

so we're likely to leave with a WA for NI but no GE?

My bet is the WA agreement as per 'May', with the 'backstop' changed from all UK to NI only. The government will probably try to narrow backstop within NI as much as possible - at the moment they are going fr Agri-Foods element only which accounts for about 30% of trade and Stormont having a say. EU are saying it needs more than agri-foods and they don't deal with regional governments. I think the balance will be found here: Agri-foods plus and Stormont having a formal role in the UK government liaising with the EU  on post withdrawal changes e.g. to food standards.

There will definitely be a GE but it will be post 31/10/19 which is why I think Boris will deal -  to minimize chaos during the election period. Remember if he gets a deal then transition kicks in and in reality there is no real change for a while.

BTW the govt have confirmed that even with a deal transition will end next December - 2020. which means either:

1. they are not worried about technicalities of border replacements technologies because they are leaving without a deal

2. they are not worried because they are confident new technologies will be in place within a year ; or

3. They are not worried because the NI backstop doesn't actually need them.

 

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Speaking to people here in Northern Ireland they agree there really is no need for border inspections and heavy tariffs.  The remain politicians are just filled with hyped up hysterical nonsense.  Lorries that cross the border will simply be required to have their paper work ready before they cross the border and they will carry on to their destinations as normal without delay and have their forms ready for inspection by the security of the business they are driving to.  It is the company's responsibility to provide the drivers with the right paper work and abide UK law when they enter our country.  Driving from A to B will carry on just as before.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

Speaking to people here in Northern Ireland they agree there really is no need for border inspections and heavy tariffs.  The remain politicians are just filled with hyped up hysterical nonsense.  Lorries that cross the border will simply be required to have their paper work ready before they cross the border and they will carry on to their destinations as normal without delay and have their forms ready for inspection by the security of the business they are driving to.  It is the company's responsibility to provide the drivers with the right paper work and abide UK law when they enter our country.  Driving from A to B will carry on just as before.

 

 

The Northern Ireland border with the Republic. is already a tax, excise and currency border at present. There are no border barriers checking. everything is electronically filed away from the border.

 

 

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stick with it.

 

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1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

stick with it.

 

THAT was a brilliant video / interview... David Starkey was ON FIRE... and dispensing so many
thought provoking points at machine gun speed..... it was rat a tat rat a tat from beginning to end...

never mind progrogation of parliament... the police should stand down and every single MP should
be citizen arrested and marched to the Houses of Parliament in handcuffs - locked it for 24 hours
while that video is played on repeat - until something gets through their thick treasonous heads...

 

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7 minutes ago, bee said:

never mind progrogation of parliament... the police should stand down and every single MP should
be citizen arrested and marched to the Houses of Parliament in handcuffs - locked it for 24 hours
while that video is played on repeat - until something gets through their thick treasonous heads...

Like the way Boris Johns abolished Parliament so that they couldn't foil him in his plans? That kind of respect for the processes of British democracy?

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9 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Like the way Boris Johns abolished Parliament so that they couldn't foil him in his plans? That kind of respect for the processes of British democracy?

 

so you are siding with the political elite not the people....?... the elite who hold the public (peasants] in contempt..

quote from 28:40 in video ... "We've got degrees of deceit, of chicanery, of double talk because simply
they did not like the result and saw it as an act of rebellion..."


 

 

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like Boris Johns gives the tiniest of hoots about the will of the people, having got himself where he wants, in the highest position occupied by anyone other than the monarch in the land, precisely how much do you think he gives for the proles? 

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3 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

like Boris Johns gives the tiniest of hoots about the will of the people, having got himself where he wants, in the highest position occupied by anyone other than the monarch in the land, precisely how much do you think he gives for the proles? 

 

at this point it doesn't matter what his motives are... if he is doing his best to deliver Brexit..
as voted for by the majority..

in the video ~ David Starkey: the elite is guilty of treason -- The Brendan O'Neill Show ~ posted by Steve..
Starkey said Boris had got a couple of things in his favour..... that he was an optimistic kind of character
and that he actually liked this country.... (whereas the treasonous elite don't and collude with the EU to
thwart the vote of the majority) 

another point that Starkey made that is of vital importance... BJ must form an alliance with the Brexit Party
at the next election to see this thing through - so hopefully that's what will happen if the whole thing isn't
scuppered before the next election.... BJ took the poisoned chalice from May and the worst thing he could do now
would be to betray the Brexit referendum vote... he might be forgiven a lot of things.... but not that...

so he had better stand firm... or the Peasants People will NOT be happy...

he might even have to go to prison... but this would make him a Brexit Hero if it happened... ^_^
it's pretty unlikely that he will go to prison but if I were him I would be weighing up the pros and cons
of that... whatever his motives might be..... if his professional and egotistical ambitions gets Brexit
done...his motives are irrelevant....

IMO

  

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What has Nigel Fromage been doing? He's been suspiciously quiet <_<

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55 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

What has Nigel Fromage been doing? He's been suspiciously quiet <_<

Doing his radio show on LBC.  Today Nigel is in Strasbourg, France (European Parliament).  He announced he was there during his live LBC radio show which was broadcast from Strasbourg today.  My guess is, he is conducting official MEP duties over there, listening to debates, and doing a few TV appearances.

 

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It appears that EU unity has broken down on their brexit approach. The French and Finnland have now broken ranks and have set an ultimatum for the UK to provide concrete written proposals within 12 days. 

"Having met with Macron on Wednesday, Rinne said: “We both agreed that it is now time for Boris Johnson to produce his own proposals in writing, if they exist. - If no proposals are received by the end of September, then it's over.”

From UK government - "We will table formal written solutions when we are ready, not according to an artificial deadline, and when the EU is clear that it will engage constructively on them as a replacement for the backstop."

Oh dear 

Not good if you were hoping that the Benn Act would stop UK leaving without a deal on 31 October ;)

 

 

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Sadly I believe Brexit is now dead. It seems every Avenue has been explored and the odds are just too great against Boris and the minority of leavers in parliament.

The EU politicians are getting increasingly cocky as they are breifed constantly by remain politicians.

I personally believe this will end in a cancellation of article 50 then a second very rigged referendum. 

Hope I am wrong.

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