Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

[RoofGardener]

26 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

Reminds me of episode in Star Trek The Original Series. The crew visits planet, Earth like planet which has progressed to technology of 1990's but is ruled by Romans in Roman style  Fun episode. Among many fun scenes most entertaining was about political opposition which was placed in gladiator arena.

Now THAT is an intriguing idea. 

Jeremy Corbyn vs Dominic Raab (3rd dan karate black belt). 

Or there is Molly Samuel. She isn't in parliament YET... she came second (but with an increased majority) in the last elections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molly_Samuel

she's a 6th-Dan grand master !!! She could probably take on the entire shadow cabinet. 

I believe I've got access to Star Trek on Netflix... I must try and look that episode up. Thanks @Sir Smoke aLot.

[Sir Smoke aLot]

27 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

I believe I've got access to Star Trek on Netflix... I must try and look that episode up.

Enjoy. Quality of those older shows is fantastic, especially when compared to newer TV series, like the last one in franchise which is a large disappointment for me 

That would be something, to place politicians in arena to fight their differences

[RoofGardener]

43 minutes ago, Sir Smoke aLot said:

Enjoy. Quality of those older shows is fantastic, especially when compared to newer TV series, like the last one in franchise which is a large disappointment for me 

That would be something, to place politicians in arena to fight their differences

The current version (Discover) is appalling. It's not even set in the same universe. The "history" is different. I've given up on watching it. 

The previous ones (Enterprise, Voyager, Deep Space Nine, Next Generation etc) where pretty good. I especially liked Enterprise.  

Edited September 3, 2019 by RoofGardener

[Helen of Annoy]

 

2 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

That's fine, if you're quite happy in a few years time for the German finance minister to be telling you how much more income tax you'll be paying, or how much more you''l have to pay for petrol to combat climate change, or how many more houses will be built in your village to accommodate the new migrants, or how much more your EU subsidies will increase to cover the cost of the UK leaving, or any number of things the EU will be able to dictate to your country once further political union is implemented.

If only that could happen today. 

I happen to prefer taxes and prices in Germany, compared to ours.

Also, I'm not scared of Germans or refugees, I'm scared of imbeciles being lead by their noses, by a bunch of profiteers, straight into economic suicide and self-inflicted isolation. Well, not exactly scared, it's more a reasonable worry mixed with disgust. 

 

 

 

edit: More strictly on topic, are these some signs of life in your Parliament? Better late than never. Not that I've got much hope for you in general, but sometimes miracles do happen with proper motivation.  

Edited September 3, 2019 by Helen of Annoy

[Sir Smoke aLot]

3 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

The current version (Discover) is appalling. It's not even set in the same universe. The "history" is different. I've given up on watching it. 

The previous ones (Enterprise, Voyager, Deep Space Nine, Next Generation etc) where pretty good. I especially liked Enterprise.  

I cant decide between Deep Space Nine and Enterprise. It comes to who is better between two characters for me, Ferengi barkeeper or T Pol. She is so hot with her Vulcan fight with emotions. As for Discovery, that's good word to describe it, i had great hope for that show... But i leave it there  It's off topic anyhow but i could talk about those shows for days, fantastic stuff.

2 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

I happen to prefer taxes and prices in Germany, compared to ours.

It's greater problem when non-EU countries have criminal politicians who change prices and they reason it as ''to get on EU level'', like in Bosnia.

That has resulted in prices of many goods, even essential stuff to go over every line of what's realistic in my country. If only they would adopt EU level of salaries then it would be OK but many people here work for 250€ monthly and only for smokes one needs like 125€ monthly, if he doesn't smoke much. Imagine how i felt  when my favorite cigarettes have gone over 2.5€ and their quality dropped by over 50%.

As time passed my government has adopted so many EU ''economical reforms'' which hurt our economy and house budgets without any real benefit, other than providing more budget for extravagant spending. Cheap hamburger on the street is like 1€ and fantastic steak with potatoes and soup costs two € in government buildings bars for workers there. All subsidized by extortion from the people so, basically, by smoking more our politicians get fatter. Such an absurd situation, maybe off topic but at least in EU and Britain there is more control over budget spending and things like this can't happen?

Edited September 3, 2019 by Sir Smoke aLot

[Setton]

7 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

But isn't that the socialist dream.....that we are all equally as poor.

I'll be fine thanks  And the ones who are going to be worst off? Well, they chose it. Natural selection, I guess. 

[Setton]

How's that majority looking, Boris. Do hope there's no important votes coming up 

[skookum]

57 minutes ago, Setton said:

How's that majority looking, Boris. Do hope there's no important votes coming up 

Yeah sod the majority people's vote. What is democracy anyway? Snowflakes were brought up in a generation where competition was out lawed as you were not allowed to have losers. School sports days were banned etc. We are reaping what we sowed, how can anything democratic go ahead now as losers have not been taught to deal with defeat.

[Helen of Annoy]

@Sir Smoke aLot Yeah, we're off topic, so I'll be very short. 

That's the type of corruption and shameless frauds inherited directly from the former regime. I wasn't against it because it was socialist, I was against it because it wasn't really socialist. Or just. Or sane. Or going forward. Or sustainable.

To join the EU, Croatia, among other things, had to overhaul all the institutions, introduce actual responsibility and transparency and prove we're working on eradicating the traditional all-present bribe culture. I think that alone was huge benefit for my society. No prices had to be simply raised, what your politicians are doing is pure fraud, of course. Some prices may change, due to better regulations. Which means maybe you'll pay more for a plastic bag, but you'll pay less for the phone and Internet. Introducing Euro may result in merchants greedily 'round up' prices, but that's not the fault of the EU, that's the fault of mothers who raised such Iscariots. Our problem are destroyed economies with political casts who attempt to behave exactly like the quasi-socialist elite from which they all come: do nothing and wait for your bribe. 

That indeed is changing in Croatia. I'm counting on the EU to keep that trend alive. If the EU really was to break down tomorrow, in a week we would fall back into unbound corruption and backwardness.  

Therefore, I wish us both more of the EU influence.  

[Setton]

25 minutes ago, skookum said:

Yeah sod the majority people's vote. What is democracy anyway? Snowflakes were brought up in a generation where competition was out lawed as you were not allowed to have losers. School sports days were banned etc. We are reaping what we sowed, how can anything democratic go ahead now as losers have not been taught to deal with defeat.

And we're already seeing how well the leavers are dealing with it. 

Throw a hissy fit and refuse to play anymore because they won't let you win. 

Edited September 3, 2019 by Setton

[itsnotoutthere]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

How's that majority looking, Boris. Do hope there's no important votes coming up 

Kinda hoping an election is called, can't wait for similar results to the EU elections being played out in a general election, I reckon Prime Minister Farage will see the job through. 

Edited September 3, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[itsnotoutthere]

7 minutes ago, Setton said:

And we're already seeing how well the leavers are dealing with it. 

Throw a hissy fit and refuse to play anymore because they won't let you win. 

Now you see what we've had to put up with for the last three years.

[+OverSword]

Wow.  High drama in parliament eh? 

Now as I understand it the people voted through referendum to leave the EU and the deadline was set for October of 2019, correct?

So can someone who understands how your government functions explain to an ignorant outsider what the holdup is?

Edited September 3, 2019 by OverSword

[itsnotoutthere]

13 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Wow.  High drama in parliament eh? 

Now as I understand it the people voted through referendum to leave the EU and the deadline was set for October of 2019, correct?

So can someone who understands how you government functions explain to an ignorant outsider what the holdup is?

Basically, corrupt members of parliament with vested interests that couldn't give a toss what the people (that pay their wages) voted for and want, you know, much like it works in China and Russia etc.

Alternatively, you know all those characters in your country that screamed at the sky and spent the last few years crying in their beer because Hilary didn't win, well they're much the same sort of people, you know the sort, it's only democracy if it goes their way.

Edited September 3, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[+OverSword]

6 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Basically, corrupt members of parliament with vested interests that couldn't give a toss what the people (that pay their wages) voted for and want, you know, much like it works in China and Russia etc.

Vested interest how?  Their own local voters who were mainly remainers,?  Business interests as in business that will be lost due to leaving?  Are they corrupt politically and will lose some political power once brexit is finalized?

[itsnotoutthere]

5 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Vested interest how?  Their own local voters who were mainly remainers,?  Business interests as in business that will be lost due to leaving?  Are they corrupt politically and will lose some political power once brexit is finalized?

Look at the map a few posts up.

[itsnotoutthere]

Well, for a start these guys have a lot to lose.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kinnocks-on-the-brussels-gravy-train-xcxbdkx6r

http://christophereverard.co.uk/kinnocks-10-million-pay-off-and-the-eu-secret-bank-accounts/

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/campaign-highlights-kinnocks-10m-eu-2100178

Edited September 3, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[Setton]

53 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Wow.  High drama in parliament eh? 

Now as I understand it the people voted through referendum to leave the EU and the deadline was set for October of 2019, correct?

So can someone who understands how your government functions explain to an ignorant outsider what the holdup is?

The Prime Minister is attempting to prorogue (close) parliament so that we have to leave without a deal by default. 

MPs are challenging that by voting tonight to take control of parliamentary business. If they succeed they can pass a bill requiring parliament to approve a no deal. 

They're acting to ensure our sovereign parliament makes the final decision over Brexit, not an unelected prime minister acting without any mandate. 

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, Setton said:

The Prime Minister is attempting to prorogue (close) parliament so that we have to leave without a deal by default. 

MPs are challenging that by voting tonight to take control of parliamentary business. If they succeed they can pass a bill requiring parliament to approve a no deal. 

They're acting to ensure our sovereign parliament makes the final decision over Brexit, not an unelected prime minister acting without any mandate. 

They've had years.  Why do you suppose there is not already a deal?  Is it just fine points or is it a refusal of either side to negotiate?

[itsnotoutthere]

Except of course, parliament was given the 'mandate' three years ago by the British people and have singularly failed to act on it.

Edited September 3, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[itsnotoutthere]

6 minutes ago, OverSword said:

They've had years.  Why do you suppose there is not already a deal?  Is it just fine points or is it a refusal of either side to negotiate?

Because Teresa May, the then P.M. was and is a remainer and had no intention of following through on any of her many promises,

the classic being..."no deal is better than a bad deal"

Edited September 3, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[Duke Wellington]

19 minutes ago, Setton said:

The Prime Minister is attempting to prorogue (close) parliament so that we have to leave without a deal by default. 

MPs are challenging that by voting tonight to take control of parliamentary business. If they succeed they can pass a bill requiring parliament to approve a no deal. 

They're acting to ensure our sovereign parliament makes the final decision over Brexit, not an unelected prime minister acting without any mandate. 

Have to leave?

You make it sound like its against what the majority want. We want to leave. We want to run away from the EU as fast as humanly possible and start the British Empire Mach 2.

Perhaps a more correct statement would be `the PM is trying to stitch up Parliament so the majority of the UK public get what they voted for`. 

We are the most extraordinary people to have ever lived and will be once again!

Edited September 3, 2019 by RabidMongoose

[Duke Wellington]

5 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

If only that could happen today. 

I happen to prefer taxes and prices in Germany, compared to ours.

Also, I'm not scared of Germans or refugees, I'm scared of imbeciles being lead by their noses, by a bunch of profiteers, straight into economic suicide and self-inflicted isolation. Well, not exactly scared, it's more a reasonable worry mixed with disgust. 

edit: More strictly on topic, are these some signs of life in your Parliament? Better late than never. Not that I've got much hope for you in general, but sometimes miracles do happen with proper motivation.  

Good luck when we are gone.

Just remember that because Germany has already tied most of Europe to it, and Russia to it with its gas purchasing, that its Axis is too powerful for the combined might of the USA and UK to free you.

[Tatetopa]

Good luck to ALL of you.  It seems like we do in the US you will be living in a 52-48% divided country.  Nothing will achieve more than a scant majority will it?   It would have only taken 3 or 4 % of the voters to change their mind, then the other side would be aggravated. Might as well go for it, can;t stay in limbo forever.

What benefits do you expect to achieve, financial prosperity or self determination or something else?

Will the divisions end?  Will Scotland leave over this decision?  

[Duke Wellington]

17 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Good luck to ALL of you.  It seems like we do in the US you will be living in a 52-48% divided country.  Nothing will achieve more than a scant majority will it?   It would have only taken 3 or 4 % of the voters to change their mind, then the other side would be aggravated. Might as well go for it, can;t stay in limbo forever.

What benefits do you expect to achieve, financial prosperity or self determination or something else?

Will the divisions end?  Will Scotland leave over this decision?  

Annex, annex, annex!

I must go watch some Darlek clips now:

 

Edited September 3, 2019 by RabidMongoose