Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

[Space Commander Travis]

3 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Brilliant the way Boris sacked the 20 MP's who voted against the Govt, wont be selected to stand for the Tory party in the coming Election. in fact if they stand in the same constituency they'll be contesting seat against the Tory party.

Yes, quite brilliant. He's been the most brazen at betraying his dictatorial inclinations of any leader of any supposedly "democratic" country or party. The Amazing Donald may have the same wishes, but he's prevented from putting them into practice because the US system, flawed as it is in many ways, does seem to have checks and balances that still work. The Mighty Boris seems to have found a way, as if by magic, to override everything that may supposedly be incorporated in the system to restrain a fanatic once they seize power. There hasn't been this efficient a seizure of power since Fidel Castro. 

[L.A.T.1961]

7 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Yes, quite brilliant. He's been the most brazen at betraying his dictatorial inclinations of any leader of any supposedly "democratic" country or party. The Amazing Donald may have the same wishes, but he's prevented from putting them into practice because the US system, flawed as it is in many ways, does seem to have checks and balances that still work. The Mighty Boris seems to have found a way, as if by magic, to override everything that may supposedly be incorporated in the system to restrain a fanatic once they seize power. There hasn't been this efficient a seizure of power since Fidel Castro. 

 

70 Labour MPs including Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn face deselection before next election

According to research by an internal Labour group, which refused to be named, as many as 70 MPs are at risk of being deselected.

It has sparked accusations that it is an attempt by party bosses to “purge” anti-Corbyn MPs.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-mps-yvette-cooper-hilary-benn-deselection-general-election/

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

4 hours ago, OverSword said:

So why did they put leave to a referendum?  Most of them obviously were for staying and after all, they know better, right?  Are they all knowing geniuses or too afraid to offend the public by doing they're job?  You can't have it both ways I think.  The big mistake they made was thinking that they could propagan...er I mean, educate the public into seeing it their way when it came to brexit but the public already had enough of Europe and not enough were persuaded to change their minds.

Because two reasons - firstly, they wanted to gauge public opinion and to set policy in light of that knowledge and secondly, and far more cynically, because the Tories knew that if the next election hit and they hadn’t had a referendum then Labour would campaign on a promise of having one and the Tories would lose. 

[TigerBright19]

From what I gather from today's proceedings, there will be no early general election, and no-deal Brexit is now off the table, and if Boris does not get a deal approved by the house in October then Brexit will be delayed to next year.  In other words the can will continue to be kicked down the road until a second referendum is passed, and Leave wins again, and then we just repeat the entire delay process until the third referendum, and the fourth.  This government truly is a shambles and an embarrassment to the rest of the world.

 

 

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

14 hours ago, RAyMO said:

Pretty sure Australia has FTAs with its major trading partners including China and I am sure they are negotiating a deal with the EU.

The EU is of lesser importance to Australia simply due to geography.

Obviously you think the UK can't negotiate FTA's once it is free of EU red tape and Beauracracy.

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

15 hours ago, toast said:

By a hard Brexit the UK will lose a duty&tax free market with 450M customers and its very unlikely that such change will not have a negative impact on UK`s economy.

Of course there will be no negative impact for the German auto industry then or the 35 Billion or so trade France does with the UK.

 

Project fear.

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

19 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

I’m deluded. The worlds leading economists are deluded. But the dude that wouldn’t know a comb if it pierced his liver is a genius.

Too be honest yes...

[hetrodoxly]

35 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

From what I gather from today's proceedings, there will be no early general election, and no-deal Brexit is now off the table, and if Boris does not get a deal approved by the house in October then Brexit will be delayed to next year.  In other words the can will continue to be kicked down the road until a second referendum is passed, and Leave wins again, and then we just repeat the entire delay process until the third referendum, and the fourth.  This government truly is a shambles and an embarrassment to the rest of the world.

 

 

It's not that clear cut, first the bill as got to get through the lords, but parliament is in such a mess a general election could still be on, Corbyn's a coward. 

[Setton]

2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Will you support a General Election?

Put your money where you mouth is.

Why? We just had one and the people elected these representatives. 

Or are you saying the people elected the wrong representatives? 

Edited September 4, 2019 by Setton

[Setton]

2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

The moves going on tonight will result in a General Election or 2nd Referendum with No-Deal missing off the ballot paper.

Unlikely, seeing as Boris just lost vote no. 3 (of 3). There will be no early election for the moment. 

He's just thrown away his majority to threaten the people's representatives into backing an undemocratic ideal. He's overplayed his hand and is going to be sent crawling to the EU to ask for that extension. 

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Thats a stitch up. They should have No-Deal, Deal, Stay, if it happens. And when that gets returned there will once again be no majority for anything. Round and around we go.

Shockingly, I agree with you. All three options should be on the table. Possibly with some kind of AV system so we can get a real compromise. 

[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

secondly, and far more cynically, because the Tories knew that if the next election hit and they hadn’t had a referendum then Labour would campaign on a promise of having one and the Tories would lose. 

So the tories secret weapon was to make sure they lose no matter what??  

[+OverSword]

50 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

From what I gather from today's proceedings, there will be no early general election, and no-deal Brexit is now off the table, and if Boris does not get a deal approved by the house in October then Brexit will be delayed to next year.  In other words the can will continue to be kicked down the road until a second referendum is passed, and Leave wins again, and then we just repeat the entire delay process until the third referendum, and the fourth.  This government truly is a shambles and an embarrassment to the rest of the world.

This is what I pointed out earlier when someone said they must now have another referendum.  So there is just do over's until the remoaners get their way?  Easy to see Englishmen founded the USA  

[Setton]

26 minutes ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

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I’m deluded. The worlds leading economists are deluded. But the dude that wouldn’t know a comb if it pierced his liver is a genius.

Too be honest yes...

Uhuh... 

Clearly a great authority on genius... 

[toast]

20 minutes ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Of course there will be no negative impact for the German auto industry then or the 35 Billion or so trade France does with the UK.

BMW Mini, GM, Bentley, RR are German car manufacturers with plants in the UK. Vauxhall/PSA (french) as well. Probably production decline and shift of plants to EU countries, causing job loss in the UK. Honda, Nissan and Toyota may follow.

Be independent, be free, drive Reliant Robin MKIII.

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Project fear.

Project facts.

[TigerBright19]

So many political advisors spreading fear.  Reminds me of this famous quote:

 

 

 

 

[bee]

2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

The moves going on tonight will result in a General Election or 2nd Referendum with No-Deal missing off the ballot paper.

Thats a stitch up. They should have No-Deal, Deal, Stay, if it happens.

 

errr... no deal, deal or remain as 3 options on a 2nd referendum would be a stitch up....

that's exactly what Remainers would want... to split the leave vote...

 

31 minutes ago, Setton said:

 

Shockingly, I agree with you. All three options should be on the table. Possibly with some kind of AV system so we can get a real compromise. 

 

lol... i bet you do - that's not shocking at all... see what I said above..

eventually wangling a 2nd referendum with those three options would be very acceptable to Remainers..

I suppose reducing it to deal or remain would be the ultimate stitch up and it looks like the sneaky bleeps
are setting the scene for that... 

there was always going to be major problems with so many Remain MPs and they have a damn cheek
trying to take No Deal off the table and enshrine it in law...

but a 2nd referendum (stitch up) will be their ultimate aim because that's the only way Remaining becomes
legitimized - 

[bee]

2 hours ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

 

70 Labour MPs including Yvette Cooper and Hilary Benn face deselection before next election

According to research by an internal Labour group, which refused to be named, as many as 70 MPs are at risk of being deselected.

It has sparked accusations that it is an attempt by party bosses to “purge” anti-Corbyn MPs.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-mps-yvette-cooper-hilary-benn-deselection-general-election/

 

interesting development... 

 

[bee]

1 hour ago, Aaron2016 said:

From what I gather from today's proceedings, there will be no early general election, and no-deal Brexit is now off the table, and if Boris does not get a deal approved by the house in October then Brexit will be delayed to next year.  In other words the can will continue to be kicked down the road until a second referendum is passed, and Leave wins again, and then we just repeat the entire delay process until the third referendum, and the fourth.  This government truly is a shambles and an embarrassment to the rest of the world.

 

 

 

leave won't win again if their vote is split (IMO)... and there could be other moves up the Remainer's sleeve...
like letting 16 and 17 year olds vote.. (much easier to manipulate them especially on '''Social''' Media...)

the ghastly (and crazy) Alastair Campbell has renamed his twitter account Alastair PEOPLE'S VOTE Campbell...

that's where the arch, elite remainers are trying to get... it drives me nuts when they go on about a People's Vote
as if the referendum wasn't The People's Vote... such obvious deceit....

 

 

[spartan max2]

Someone explain this situation to me.

So I read that Borris tried to have a general election but it got blocked by parliament .

How does that work? Does paliament have to vote majority to have a general election for all general elections ?

[bee]

6 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Great to hear Nigel Farage / Brexit Party saying they wont stand against the Tories in a GE if Boris fights on leaving on October 31st. So no chance of splitting the vote. wonder if we could see a GE result of Tory win with a Majority and a handful of Brexit MP's.

Bring it on.

Brilliant the way Boris sacked the 20 MP's who voted against the Govt, wont be selected to stand for the Tory party in the coming Election. in fact if they stand in the same constituency they'll be contesting seat against the Tory party.

Boris has to fight this election focusing on how the Remainers want to hand everything back to Brussels.

 

I saw a comment somewhere earlier about the possibility of Boris replacing the deselected Tories with Brexit
Party candidates... that would be a bold move and really he has nothing to loose by doing that because
The Brexit Party will only stand down if he goes for a clean break Brexit... but he may negotiate with those
seats to minimize the threat posed by the Brexit Party...?

BJ may have to go all in with Clean Break - No Deal Brexit though to bring the Brexit Party on board...
I expect there's frantic negotiating going on behind the scenes...

as far as I'm concerned... Farage knows what he's doing and having come this far he may make some
bold moves himself and take on the Tories if they shilly shally around with an adjusted WA that doesn't
come up to scratch... 

that would bring up the risk of a split vote and it looks like all the different parties and factions are going
for bust with it all.... 

  but I think Johnson and Farage would rather a pact if possible...

 

 

[TigerBright19]

Does the bottom line come down to this -

If there was a no-deal Brexit then does it mean the future success of Britain would be credited entirely to the Torys who took us out with no deal, and all future negotiations and trade deals would be managed by the Tory government and the success of those deals would be looked upon as a lasting Tory legacy that would always be brought up in years and decades to come as fodder against the opposition e.g. "I must remind the honourable member to look at what we have accomplished since 'we took us out' of the EU almost 12 years ago and witnessed the inevitable collapse of the former European Union."  Perhaps the Labour party, SNP, and the Lib-Dems are just annoyed that they will not be part of the team that takes Britain forward, and would rather see Britain remain in the EU in order to stop the potential success of the Tory government in a fully independent Britain?

 

 

[TigerBright19]

27 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Someone explain this situation to me.

So I read that Borris tried to have a general election but it got blocked by parliament .

How does that work? Does paliament have to vote majority to have a general election for all general elections ?

The procedure to initiate an early General election can be read here:

 

https://news.sky.com/story/how-could-there-still-be-an-early-election-11802305

 

Let us hope 2019 does not end like this:

 

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by Aaron2016

[bee]

21 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Someone explain this situation to me.

So I read that Borris tried to have a general election but it got blocked by parliament .

How does that work? Does paliament have to vote majority to have a general election for all general elections ?

 

Either a Parliament / Government is timed out (every 5 years) or if an election is called early it has to be supported by 
2/3 of MPs... 

oh and there's the No Confidence thing...

https://www.parliament.uk/education/about-your-parliament/general-elections/

A motion of no confidence is passed in Her Majesty's Government by a simple majority and 14 days elapses without the House passing a confidence motion in any new Government formed

[RAyMO]

8 hours ago, OverSword said:

What are you talking about?  Brexit happened before trump was elected despite obama threatening England with dire (hollow) consequences should they leave.  TDS.

whats the timing got to do with his support for it.

[RAyMO]

2 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Obviously you think the UK can't negotiate FTA's once it is free of EU red tape and Beauracracy.

it will take far longer and no guarantee it will be any better.