Government to ask Queen to suspend Parliament

[spud the mackem]

8 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

I tell you what it looks like to 17,400,000, the establishment, courts and parliament have contrived to stop Brexit, Boris should go along with it, ask for the extension, have the general election and all Brexiteers vote for the Brexit party, it will mean the end of Conservatism, Lib/Dems will take second place and labour third, what's left of the Conservative party (if they have any sense) will be to chuck their hand in with the Brexit party.

Both Labour and LibDems are still wanting a 2nd Referendum , well ok lets have one as they will fail again , quite a lot of Lab ,LibDems have voted to leave in 2016 ,that's why they were defeated in the first place . The Democratic vote should not be overturned ,and there is no point in having an extension to the Leaving date as we are paying the E.U.  £M's already by staying in . I have 8 grand children (3 have become 18 since 2016 ) ,and they are All voting to Leave as they see their futures controlled by the U.K. and not the E.U.  

[stevewinn]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

Can't wait for his resignation today! 

2-1 then. You lose. 

Just going to leave this here for hilarity. 

just goes to show previous proroguing of parliament by Major must also be unlawful but the difference was it was never tested in the courts. (Major prorogued to stop debate , inquiry and to cover up the sleaze in his cabinet)

Apparently Boris is going to carry on, you'd think he'd have to resign, but then again, its not an arrestable offence. is he going to sit tight?

conference season is here, how many MP's are all going to rush back? the labour party is in the middle of theirs. Tory conference next. so proroguing was only for 2 weeks after conference season. So, Parliament sits to discus Brexit like they have for 3 years.

The opposition have failed in their duty to remove the Govt.

 

[spud the mackem]

These Judges are obviously biased remainers ,lets have a second opinion.

[stevewinn]

30 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

I tell you what it looks like to 17,400,000, the establishment, courts and parliament have contrived to stop Brexit, Boris should go along with it, ask for the extension, have the general election and all Brexiteers vote for the Brexit party, it will mean the end of Conservatism, Lib/Dems will take second place and labour third, what's left of the Conservative party (if they have any sense) will be to chuck their hand in with the Brexit party.

Did you see the labour conference yesterday. a proposition from the floor was to confirm the labour party as a Remain party. the floor voted by a show of hands and it was clearly defeated. the chairwoman was then accused of getting it wrong by the remainers. So in the hall the majority of Labour members don't want the party to be a Remain party. this is why Labour is terrified of a GE.

surely tomorrow when Parliament opens, a motion on a vote of no confidence as to be put forward otherwise what was the point of the court case. 

 

[hetrodoxly]

1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

Did you see the labour conference yesterday. a proposition from the floor was to confirm the labour party as a Remain party. the floor voted by a show of hands and it was clearly defeated. the chairwoman was then accused of getting it wrong by the remainers. So in the hall the majority of Labour members don't want the party to be a Remain party. this is why Labour is terrified of a GE.

surely tomorrow when Parliament opens, a motion on a vote of no confidence as to be put forward otherwise what was the point of the court case. 

 

I didn't see it but i'm not surprised, small very vocal left-wing groups constantly lobby Westminster, MPs have no idea on what's going on outside the bubble, they're in for a big shock.

Edited September 24, 2019 by hetrodoxly

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

just goes to show previous proroguing of parliament by Major must also be unlawful but the difference was it was never tested in the courts. (Major prorogued to stop debate , inquiry and to cover up the sleaze in his cabinet)

Apparently Boris is going to carry on, you'd think he'd have to resign, but then again, its not an arrestable offence. is he going to sit tight?

conference season is here, how many MP's are all going to rush back? the labour party is in the middle of theirs. Tory conference next. so proroguing was only for 2 weeks after conference season. So, Parliament sits to discus Brexit like they have for 3 years.

The opposition have failed in their duty to remove the Govt.

 

So is Boris just going to go back to the Queen and ask again to prorogue Parliament?

We are very close right now to when I expect her to step in and dissolve Parliament. The Government cannot govern due to the lack of a majority, and Parliament is frustrating the will of the people, its time for her to stamp her foot and let them know who is boss.

 

[stevewinn]

1 minute ago, RabidMongoose said:

So is Boris just going to go back to the Queen and ask again to prorogue Parliament?

We are very close right now to when I expect her to step in and dissolve Parliament. The Government cannot govern due to the lack of a majority, and Parliament is frustrating the will of the people, its time for her to stamp her foot and let them know who is boss.

 

Boris is flying back to the UK tonight.

im surprised by the courts ruling, as they ruled its unlawful but there is no penalty.

It now looks like the Sovereigns rights have been taken away, ie: The power of proroguing has always been there. It is the same power the Sovereign has enjoyed for centuries, and now a set of unelected Judges have removed that power and reserved it to themselves. You ask the question will he prorogue again, well it would now seem if he did ask, Her Majesty must get approval from the Court before proroguing Parliament. unprecedented and somewhat dangerous territory.

All the case confirmed was that Parliament is Sovereign, not the PM. but the implications of the case i've stated above are far greater and far worrying and reaching.

A lot of hot air from the opposition parties, but it seems all they want is Boris gone and the ability to chose an election when it suits them. They've had ample time to call a No Confidence vote, or vote for a GE. but they continue to dodge this vital option of the people expressing their democracy. apparently today is all about democracy. hmm.

 

 

 

 

[itsnotoutthere]

Prime Minister Farage steps closer.

[stevewinn]

1 minute ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Prime Minister Farage steps closer.

imagine the irony.

I'll be voting Brexit party regardless. im in a safe Labour seat so my vote wont count. But others who live in minority seats will have a better chance.

[Duke Wellington]

13 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Boris is flying back to the UK tonight.

im surprised by the courts ruling, as they ruled its unlawful but there is no penalty.

It now looks like the Sovereigns rights have been taken away, ie: The power of proroguing has always been there. It is the same power the Sovereign has enjoyed for centuries, and now a set of unelected Judges have removed that power and reserved it to themselves. You ask the question will he prorogue again, well it would now seem if he did ask, Her Majesty must get approval from the Court before proroguing Parliament. unprecedented and somewhat dangerous territory.

All the case confirmed was that Parliament is Sovereign, not the PM. but the implications of the case i've stated above are far greater and far worrying and reaching.

A lot of hot air from the opposition parties, but it seems all they want is Boris gone and the ability to chose an election when it suits them. They've had ample time to call a No Confidence vote, or vote for a GE. but they continue to dodge this vital option of the people expressing their democracy. apparently today is all about democracy. hmm.

 

We are forgetting the Queen is not subject to UK Law.

As its the Queen who prorogues Parliament (not Boris) then how can a UK Court overrule her? The PM simply asks the Monarch to prorogue and they accept or deny the request.

The Court is trying to insert itself between both Boris and the Queen. By saying Boris lied to her it has taken upon itself to nullify his request. But the Queen has already prorogued Parliament. Therefore the Court is trying to override the Monarch which is dangerous territory.

I predict she will respond by dissolving Parliament and calling a General Election. She wont want to be seen to tell the Court to sod off, or to be seen to be backing Boris. So the only other way out of the mess is a General Election.

[stevewinn]

29 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

We are forgetting the Queen is not subject to UK Law.

As its the Queen who prorogues Parliament (not Boris) then how can a UK Court overrule her? The PM simply asks the Monarch to prorogue and they accept or deny the request.

The Court is trying to insert itself between both Boris and the Queen. By saying Boris lied to her it has taken upon itself to nullify his request. But the Queen has already prorogued Parliament. Therefore the Court is trying to override the Monarch which is dangerous territory.

I predict she will respond by dissolving Parliament and calling a General Election. She wont want to be seen to tell the Court to sod off, or to be seen to be backing Boris. So the only other way out of the mess is a General Election.

i cant see it, but i hope so. lets see if we get out on the 31st Oct.

[Setton]

3 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

I tell you what it looks like to 17,400,000, the establishment, courts and parliament have contrived to stop Brexit, Boris should go along with it, ask for the extension, have the general election and all Brexiteers vote for the Brexit party, it will mean the end of Conservatism, Lib/Dems will take second place and labour third, what's left of the Conservative party (if they have any sense) will be to chuck their hand in with the Brexit party.

We're game if you are 

[stevewinn]

9 minutes ago, Setton said:

We're game if you are 

Lets no get carried away. we haven't reached the 31st Oct yet. we still have the ball and Possession is nine-tenths of the law.

[Space Commander Travis]

 The conspiracy theorising and plots for how to overrule this decision are, as I'd anticipated, highly entertaining. It's all a plot to foil brexit! the courts have been got at, the Queen has been got at, everyone is plotting to foil Borish in his campaign to liberate Britain and lead it to glorious freedom as Forever Leader! Look up the history of Charles I; he tried to abolish Parliament and rule as divinely appointed monarch. It didn't work out well for him.  

[hetrodoxly]

18 minutes ago, Setton said:

We're game if you are 

I'll take you at your word, Corbyn's going into parliament this week and calling for a general election? 

[stevewinn]

3 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

 The conspiracy theorising and plots for how to overrule this decision are, as I'd anticipated, highly entertaining. It's all a plot to foil brexit! the courts have been got at, the Queen has been got at, everyone is plotting to foil Borish in his campaign to liberate Britain and lead it to glorious freedom as Forever Leader! Look up the history of Charles I; he tried to abolish Parliament and rule as divinely appointed monarch. It didn't work out well for him.  

are you surprised when

• 406 constituencies voted to Leave, 242 voted to remain.
• 148 Labour constituencies voted to Leave, 84 voted to Remain
• 247 Tory constituencies voted to Leave, 80 voted to Remain.
• 9 regions voted to Leave, 3 voted to Remain.
• 160 MP’s voted to Leave 486 voted to Remain.

Whatever else MPs may claim to represent, it is clear they are not representative on Brexit.

So forgive people who've been waiting 3 years for the democratic choice to be implemented. Nothing to do with them trying to deny democracy. and you wonder why conspiracies are springing up. 

[Setton]

3 hours ago, stevewinn said:

just goes to show previous proroguing of parliament by Major must also be unlawful but the difference was it was never tested in the courts. (Major prorogued to stop debate , inquiry and to cover up the sleaze in his cabinet)

Possibly but irrelevant. This one is illegal. 

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Apparently Boris is going to carry on, you'd think he'd have to resign, but then again, its not an arrestable offence. is he going to sit tight?

Sure he is  A criminal and a traitor is a great election candidate. 

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conference season is here, how many MP's are all going to rush back? the labour party is in the middle of theirs. Tory conference next. so proroguing was only for 2 weeks after conference season. So, Parliament sits to discus Brexit like they have for 3 years.

Already on their way. Some already back. 

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The opposition have failed in their duty to remove the Govt.

That is not their duty. Their duty is to oppose, in the national interest. They have excelled at that. 

The fact that you view this as a battle is exactly why you keep losing. 

Today, again, democracy wins. The rule of law wins. 

[Setton]

16 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Lets no get carried away. we haven't reached the 31st Oct yet. we still have the ball and Possession is nine-tenths of the law.

You are also legally bound to request an extension. 

So sure, you have the ball. Now we're going to make you put it in your own net. 

8 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

I'll take you at your word, Corbyn's going into parliament this week and calling for a general election? 

No, no. Read your own post. Extension first, election second. 

[hetrodoxly]

1 minute ago, Setton said:

No, no. Read your own post. Extension first, election second. 

So it was BS, your not game yet! lets face it your chicken.

[Setton]

9 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

So it was BS, your not game yet! lets face it your chicken.

No, I said we were game for an election as soon as the extension is agreed (which is what you said):

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Boris should go along with it, ask for the extension, have the general election and all Brexiteers vote for the Brexit party

Now you try and change it to before the extension. You really think we're stupid enough to let you have an election and run out the clock for a no deal? 

That's taking projection to whole new levels 

Edited September 24, 2019 by Setton

[stevewinn]

6 minutes ago, Setton said:

Possibly but irrelevant. This one is illegal. 

Sure he is  A criminal and a traitor is a great election candidate. 

Already on their way. Some already back. 

That is not their duty. Their duty is to oppose, in the national interest. They have excelled at that. 

The fact that you view this as a battle is exactly why you keep losing. 

Today, again, democracy wins. The rule of law wins. 

To first be a criminal you have to be found guilty. as Boris been found guilty, and What law as Boris broke? i'll be tuning into Andrew Neil tonight to hopefully try and find out because no-one as mentioned it yet. If you know please share.

Its conference season, Labour's end tomorrow. Tory one about to start. so what's Parliament going to do carry on with more of the same we've seen for the last 3 years. passing laws as they go along, such as the Benn bill hiding behind No deal in the hope to stop Brexit.

Democracy does indeed win. now apply that on the 31st Oct. 

 

[Setton]

1 minute ago, stevewinn said:

To first be a criminal you have to be found guilty. as Boris been found guilty, and What law as Boris broke? i'll be tuning into Andrew Neil tonight to hopefully try and find out because no-one as mentioned it yet. If you know please share.

Valid point. Distinction between unlawful and illegal. 

So just someone who knowingly acted unlawful to mislead the sovereign? 

Yep, that'll play well with the Conservative base 

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Its conference season, Labour's end tomorrow.

They moved it forward to tonight. Parliament sits at 11.30 tomorrow. 

You're behind the times again. 

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Tory one about to start.

Then I guess they'll get thrashed even more than usual in the votes. Everyone else is back tomorrow. 

Or they'll have to abandon their conference and go into an election unprepared. Labour have had a few days to rally their supporters. The Conservatives are completely off balance and effectively leaderless. 

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so what's Parliament going to do carry on with more of the same 

Representing their constituents? Probably, yes. 

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Democracy does indeed win. now apply that on the 31st Oct.

You mean when our democratically elected representatives will force our unelected prime minister to serve the interests of the people above his own? 

Yep, sounds good to me. 

[hetrodoxly]

9 minutes ago, Setton said:

No, I said we were game for an election as soon as the extension is agreed

 

[Setton]

7 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

 

And so you resort to insults. The act of a child caught lying to the grown ups. 

Get that extension and we'll see you at the ballot box. 

[stevewinn]

Just now, Setton said:

And so you resort to insults. The act of a child caught lying to the grown ups. 

Get that extension and we'll see you at the ballot box. 

GE or Referendum