I’m Scared of Climate Change

[Tatetopa]

On 8/30/2019 at 8:19 AM, sci-nerd said:

The problem with the wild fires is mostly about the threat to biodiversity and adding CO2 to the athmosphere.

That and the fact that people live there.

[Tatetopa]

On 8/30/2019 at 8:59 AM, Doug1o29 said:

After a few years, the land is no longer productive for corn farming and is allowed to return to jungle. 

Unintended consequences.  Is some of this land being cleared for soybeans since the Chinese are looking for a new source?

[Tatetopa]

19 hours ago, Nefer-Ankhe said:

However sometimes it feels pointless when the contribution of green house gas emissions is on such a systemic and cooperate level! 

Don't despair friend.  None of us may be superheros and able to save the world singlehandedly but we do what is in our scope.  Thanks for what you do.

[Tatetopa]

18 hours ago, tmcom said:

Please seek out Real sites or real facts, when researching this, (like the excellent one above) and Tony B, video series, (the Mad thread has some) and there will be no fear and no anxiety, leave that to the real nutters.

You know a lot of the shine went off Corporate Truthiness sites years ago when we found out from internal memos  that the tobacco companies were well aware from their own research that cigarettes were linked to cancer.  Are oil and coal companies any more honest when a buck is at stake than the tobacco companies were?  Based on past corporate performance, I am skeptical.

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

While I believe that manmade climate change is a serious issue, I also think that it is something that we can do something about. I am an optimist in the long run, but sadly I see a lot of trouble in the short term. Humanity will survive, but the longer we wait the harder it will be to get through. Its allways better to threat a disease early, rather than wait until it is terminal. 

Edited August 31, 2019 by Noteverythingisaconspiracy

[Buzz_Light_Year]

Yeah and here you all are, on the internet whose carbon footprint exceeds that of air travel.

https://climatecare.org/infographic-the-carbon-footprint-of-the-internet/

 

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

46 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Yeah and here you all are, on the internet whose carbon footprint exceeds that of air travel.

https://climatecare.org/infographic-the-carbon-footprint-of-the-internet/

 

It says that the internet accounts for 2 % of the global carbon emissions and there are 2,5 billion people on the internet, so I hardly think that this post is going to make much of a difference... especially since we get more than 40 % (Soon 50 %) of our electricity from wind turbines.

Edited August 31, 2019 by Noteverythingisaconspiracy

[Nefer-Ankhe]

5 hours ago, lost_shaman said:

Obviously you were not taught anything close to the truth or you would not be having trouble sleeping or be in a state of fear.

I’m fairly certain it’s because I was taught the truth that I’m fearful of the impending impacts of global warming. 

I can’t as easily as you be in a state of denial for the betterment of my sleep. 

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Yeah and here you all are, on the internet whose carbon footprint exceeds that of air travel.

True Buzz.  How does that compare to mailing a letter or talking on a phone or watching TV or reading a book or newspaper.?  Is there a carbon footprint to the daily New York Times print edition?  I bet there is, but I don't know how much.

[lost_shaman]

1 hour ago, Nefer-Ankhe said:

I’m fairly certain it’s because I was taught the truth that I’m fearful of the impending impacts of global warming. 

I can’t as easily as you be in a state of denial for the betterment of my sleep. 

Or more likely you are a leftist and making up the idea that Climate Change keeps you awake at night. "Oh the horror of CO2!" 

I don't buy it. CO2 is not affecting your life other than the extent to which you force it upon yourself. Your efforts to mitigate your Carbon footprint are meaningless.

CO2's effects in the Atmosphere are logarithmic in nature and as such the vast majority of it's effects in the Atmosphere are all front loaded into the first 100 ppm. Adding more than that means less and less effect and we were already 180 ppm above that by the time the Industrial Revolution took place. It's known that CO2 alone due to its logarithmic nature just doesn't pack any punch. Feedbacks like water vapor have to be invoked at some time in the future because that doesn't seem to be happening yet. 

Sorry but Anthropogenic Global Warming falls apart like a House of Cards if you just look at it (like a real House of Cards tends to do). 

[Grim Reaper 6]

On 8/30/2019 at 10:09 PM, Nefer-Ankhe said:

I’ve always had a growing anxiety about global warming since I learned about it in middle school, but since the Amazon fires my anxiety is near unbearable! I’ve been experiencing nightmares and partial insomnia and nothing seems to be allaying my fears! 

I fear there’s too many people in denial dismissing it as a hoax, and too many short-sighted corrupt politicians in power. 

So I’m just asking if I can please have an onslaught of positive things people, groups, governments, countries and etc have been doing to return the Earth to good health!! Help restore my faith (and maybe even yours) in humanity and a return to a healthy world! 

Thank you kindly! Any positive insights would be greatly appreciated, more than you would know! 

I don't have any positive comments for you, but I can give you idea how to protect yourself.  

1.  Have well dug, then when they start rationing water it will not effect you.

2.  Find a way to get off the electrical grid. Generators will work but they are not preferred because of all the supply's required to keep them running. The best bet is a small wind generator or a water powered generator if you have running water on your land.

3.  Make certain you home is very very well insulated, this will give you the ability to maintain a good temperature in you home.

4.  Start stock piling extended life rations, and freeze dried foods.

I think you get the idea, All these things will be of great bennifit when the when things start to change. There are many other things you can think of I am certain.

Take care

[tmcom]

 

5 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

You know a lot of the shine went off Corporate Truthiness sites years ago when we found out from internal memos  that the tobacco companies were well aware from their own research that cigarettes were linked to cancer.  Are oil and coal companies any more honest when a buck is at stake than the tobacco companies were?  Based on past corporate performance, I am skeptical.

True, l can't wrestle with you on that one, Exon, BS'ed quite a lot after their big oil spill in the past. But blaming oil companies for any and every bit of solid data showing no impending  global warming disaster is a bit childish IMO

4 hours ago, Nefer-Ankhe said:

I’m fairly certain it’s because I was taught the truth that I’m fearful of the impending impacts of global warming. 

I can’t as easily as you be in a state of denial for the betterment of my sleep. 

No and apparently you can't watch a 2.3 hour video casting serious doubt about this entire thread! Or Tony B, videos, one showing a coastline in California in 1880 and recently showing, no sea level difference. As LS has said, you apparently need a cause to follow, (we all seem to at a young age) but this is based on junk and blatently obvious evidence, denial. But l will leave you to your Carbon prayer grounp.

2 hours ago, lost_shaman said:

Or more likely you are a leftist and making up the idea that Climate Change keeps you awake at night. "Oh the horror of CO2!" 

I don't buy it. CO2 is not affecting your life other than the extent to which you force it upon yourself. Your efforts to mitigate your Carbon footprint are meaningless.

CO2's effects in the Atmosphere are logarithmic in nature and as such the vast majority of it's effects in the Atmosphere are all front loaded into the first 100 ppm. Adding more than that means less and less effect and we were already 180 ppm above that by the time the Industrial Revolution took place. It's known that CO2 alone due to its logarithmic nature just doesn't pack any punch. Feedbacks like water vapor have to be invoked at some time in the future because that doesn't seem to be happening yet. 

Sorry but Anthropogenic Global Warming falls apart like a House of Cards if you just look at it (like a real House of Cards tends to do). 

Spot on , @lost_shaman,!

Fanatics want to beleive this no matter how much evil, solid evidence we can show, and it is certainly a sight to see, just how far,...never mind.

They Ignore the C Hearing video, ignore all of the Tony B, videos, and believe that every year is a record hot one, or month, and that iceland is melting, then ignore live feeds shoiwng no sea level changes anywhere, apart from places with natural land depreciation due to tetonic plate movements.

Yea, Emperiors new clothes all right, some here are trying so hard to convince us that he is really wearing invisible clothes, and if we try hard enough, (l would use another word) then we to can believe, repent our carbon sins and get a golden ticket on the next ark?

Yes, it will take a big disaster to get wind turnbine huggers off of their bender, possibly involving a metal rod, but time will tell.

I expect Germany will fall first.

Go Greta.

Edited September 1, 2019 by tmcom

[Tatetopa]

25 minutes ago, tmcom said:

True, l can't wrestle with you on that one, Exon, BS'ed quite a lot after their big oil spill in the past. But blaming oil companies for any and every bit of solid data showing no impending  global warming disaster is a bit childish IMO

Agreed.  It just makes it harder to soss what is true and what is self-serving propaganda. 

 

 

 

[Timothy]

@Nefer-Ankhe, where do you live? (Country or geographical region would be fine, nothing too specific.)

The only reason I ask; why exactly are you losing sleep over it?

It’s an issue which will need to be overcome, and there should be more done about it now. But it’s a slowly evolving issue which will have different repercussions spanning multiple generations. 

[Nefer-Ankhe]

On 9/1/2019 at 1:02 PM, Timothy said:

@Nefer-Ankhe, where do you live? (Country or geographical region would be fine, nothing too specific.)

The only reason I ask; why exactly are you losing sleep over it?

It’s an issue which will need to be overcome, and there should be more done about it now. But it’s a slowly evolving issue which will have different repercussions spanning multiple generations. 

Hey, I live in Australia. Our government has recently passed an agreement for the go ahead of the Adani coal mine, despite scientist and rural populace concerns for the surrounding environment and eco-systems, particularly around our largest water system the Murray River, which is already suffering as it is. 

 

@tmcom and @lost_shaman No, I’m not seeking a cause to follow. I’d quite happily go about my life without having this impending fear. Also my political leaning is unimportant. Global warming is a matter for everybody regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum. It’s unfortunate the issue is being politicised and categorised! 

I’m not here to debate back and forth about whether global warming is a hoax or not (it’s not). I’ve posted so I can hear some positive actions groups and/or individuals have done or are doing for the sake of a greener planet! Please refer to my initial comment.  

Thanks.  

[+joc]

5 minutes ago, Nefer-Ankhe said:

I’m not here to debate back and forth about whether global warming is a hoax or not (it’s not). I’ve posted so I can hear some positive actions groups and/or individuals have done or are doing for the sake of a greener planet! Please refer to my initial comment.  

Positive Thought for the day:

Be content with the knowledge that you are most certainly going to die.  Where and how you do not know.  This should give you peace...the knowledge that even though the climate is changing,  untimely your death will surely come from something as innate as tripping over the vacuum cleaner, hitting your head on the table and falling face first into the cats water bowl where drowning occurs.

[Guest]

On 8/31/2019 at 5:09 PM, Tatetopa said:

Of course we are, from birth.  Don't let it ruin your day today though.

We're slapped on the ass to give us breath

To start us on the march toward death.

Doug

[lost_shaman]

On 8/31/2019 at 4:08 PM, Doug1o29 said:

Then American democracy could well be dead.

That's rich. To think that if America doesn't elect one of the unelectable Socialists the Democratic Party is running, that this somehow would be fatal to American Democracy. 

[Nefer-Ankhe]

8 hours ago, joc said:

Positive Thought for the day:

Be content with the knowledge that you are most certainly going to die.  Where and how you do not know.  This should give you peace...the knowledge that even though the climate is changing,  untimely your death will surely come from something as innate as tripping over the vacuum cleaner, hitting your head on the table and falling face first into the cats water bowl where drowning occurs.

 

This would probably be a good time to mention that I’m more so worried about how climate change will impact my son’s future rather than my own! I probably should’ve clarified that in the beginning! 

 

love your sentiment though and ultimately very true! 

[+joc]

2 hours ago, Nefer-Ankhe said:

 

This would probably be a good time to mention that I’m more so worried about how climate change will impact my son’s future rather than my own! I probably should’ve clarified that in the beginning! 

 

love your sentiment though and ultimately very true! 

Understandable!   However;  the same goes for your son's future.  His future is thus:  He will die.  Before he does, great things will happen for him and to him.  Bad things will happen as well.   Thus is life.

Also...I have no desire to have a conversation about the Climate other than to say that Ice Ages have come and gone...and when I was in my Twenties...forty years ago...it wasn't referred to as Climate Change...it was Global Cooling.  And...we had the same predictions...in 20  to 50 years the Earth will be uninhabitable.  Summers came and summers went..  Never happened.  Then it became Global Warming.  In 20 to 50 years the Earth will be uninhabitable.  Winters came and winters went.   Still here.  Now they just say...Climate Change....in 20 to 50 years the Earth will be uninhabitable.

Well, guess what....even if they are right...we will all die anyway.  So why worry about it?   Your son will, ;most probably get married and give  you grand children and you will all live happily ever after...until you all die.      Fear....is the great mind killer!

[Big Jim]

Can anyone say what the ideal temperature of the earth should be?  To say it is warming, with the implication that it shouldn't be, presupposes that the temperature is moving away from an ideal point.  Before we turn our lives upside down and tax ourselves into the stone age we should have a good idea of what we are trying to accomplish.  Without that, if any of our efforts are successful, we may over shoot the target and proceed directly to man made global cooling.  We can't just stop the climate from changing without knowing the point where change began and having a plan to get back to a certain ideal point.  Are the northern regions supposed to be covered with ice or is that just the remnants of the last ice age as the earth reverts to what it considers normal?  

For the OP, your worry and anxiety is much more harmful to you than any effect of climate will be.  They are also much more under your control.  So if you really want them to end you would be better off to focus on yourself and your own mental health rather than waiting for a change in the climate to make everything better.

[Alchopwn]

The fact is that there are a large number of emerging technologies that are being set up to six the problems that our society has produced from pollution.  For example, nanocelulose plastic substitutes that keep food longer, but will break down without polluting the environment.  There are multiple forms of new energy production coming online, and the future will likely include brilliant new generation batteries for our electric cars.

It is a little known fact that at the dawn of the 20th century, our cities were polluted with unbelievable tons of animal dung, and we were facing a whale oil shortage.  Suffice to say, we survived.

Some of our present problems that need to be addressed include the plastics in the ocean, the melting of Greenland, the loss of the world's reefs including Australia's Great Barrier Reef, and of course the deliberate destruction of the Amazon.  Anyone who thinks Climate Change is fake or isn't happening is simply incorrect.

Edited September 3, 2019 by Alchopwn

[+joc]

7 hours ago, Big Jim said:

We can't just stop the climate from changing without knowing the point where change began and having a plan to get back to a certain ideal point.

I would suggest that we cannot stop the climate from changing...period.  Regardless of what we know or don't know.  We have absolutely no control over the Climate.  

[Big Jim]

4 minutes ago, joc said:

I would suggest that we cannot stop the climate from changing...period.  Regardless of what we know or don't know.  We have absolutely no control over the Climate.  

I agree, but sometimes you have the let the truth ease up on people.  If you just state it bluntly then you're labeled as a denier and ignored.  A few questions can let them find it for themselves.

[Guest]

16 hours ago, lost_shaman said:

That's rich. To think that if America doesn't elect one of the unelectable Socialists the Democratic Party is running, that this somehow would be fatal to American Democracy. 

Not electing a scientist will not end American democracy.  But four more years of tRUMP will make his damage to government and the Constituion unrepairable.

Doug

P.S.:  I don't think that's going to happen.

Doug

Edited September 3, 2019 by Doug1o29