Will Due Posted September 5, 2019 #1 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) ex·pe·ri·ence /ˌikˈspirēəns/ noun practical contact with and observation of facts or events. "he had already learned his lesson by painful experience" synonyms: involvement in, participation in; contact with, acquaintance with, exposure to; observation of, awareness of; familiarity with, conversance with, understanding of, impression of, insight into "David gained his first experience of business with his father and brothers" verb encounter or undergo (an event or occurrence). "the company is experiencing difficulties" synonyms: undergo, encounter, meet, have experience of, come into contact with, run into, come across, come up against, face, be faced with, confront, be forced to contend with; feel, know, become familiar with; live/go through, sustain, suffer, endure, tolerate; participate in, taste, try "the company is experiencing difficulties" I'm sure you'll agree that thinking is an experience. The above definition says that an experience is "practical contact with" and an "encounter". When it comes to the experience of thought, what do you think you're encountering and having practical contact with? Edited September 5, 2019 by Will Due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted September 5, 2019 #2 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Will Due said: ex·pe·ri·ence /ˌikˈspirēəns/ noun practical contact with and observation of facts or events. "he had already learned his lesson by painful experience" synonyms: involvement in, participation in; contact with, acquaintance with, exposure to; observation of, awareness of; familiarity with, conversance with, understanding of, impression of, insight into "David gained his first experience of business with his father and brothers" verb encounter or undergo (an event or occurrence). "the company is experiencing difficulties" synonyms: undergo, encounter, meet, have experience of, come into contact with, run into, come across, come up against, face, be faced with, confront, be forced to contend with; feel, know, become familiar with; live/go through, sustain, suffer, endure, tolerate; participate in, taste, try "the company is experiencing difficulties" I'm sure you'll agree that thinking is an experience. The above definition says that an experience is "practical contact with" and an "encouter". When it comes to the experience of thought, what do you think you're encountering and having practical contact with? The question Will Due is Are You Experienced The Jimi Hendrix Experience If you can just get your mind together Then come on across to me We'll hold hands an' then we'll watch the sun rise from the bottom of the sea But first Are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced? Well, I have I know, I know You'll probably scream n' cry That your little world won't let you go But who in your measly little world are trying to prove that You're made out of gold and -a can't be sold So-er, are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced? Well, I have Ah, let me prove it to you Ending with a great guitar solo Jimi was definitely experienced Source: LyricFind Edited September 5, 2019 by Manwon Lender 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted September 5, 2019 Author #3 Share Posted September 5, 2019 When it comes to the experience of thought, what do you think you're encountering and having practical contact with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted September 5, 2019 #4 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Will Due said: When it comes to the experience of thought, what do you think you're encountering and having practical contact with? I use transcendental mediation to explore thoughts, nothing better when brain storming. I can expand my thoughts to any level or any place I chose to go to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted September 5, 2019 #5 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Maybe there's a clue in what happens when people have a few drinks, the thoughts turn to words, sometimes with unfortunate results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted September 5, 2019 #6 Share Posted September 5, 2019 A penny for your thoughts ! ( No, I'm completely sober) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted September 5, 2019 #7 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Will Due said: ex·pe·ri·ence /ˌikˈspirēəns/ noun practical contact with and observation of facts or events. "he had already learned his lesson by painful experience" synonyms: involvement in, participation in; contact with, acquaintance with, exposure to; observation of, awareness of; familiarity with, conversance with, understanding of, impression of, insight into "David gained his first experience of business with his father and brothers" verb encounter or undergo (an event or occurrence). "the company is experiencing difficulties" synonyms: undergo, encounter, meet, have experience of, come into contact with, run into, come across, come up against, face, be faced with, confront, be forced to contend with; feel, know, become familiar with; live/go through, sustain, suffer, endure, tolerate; participate in, taste, try "the company is experiencing difficulties" I'm sure you'll agree that thinking is an experience. The above definition says that an experience is "practical contact with" and an "encounter". When it comes to the experience of thought, what do you think you're encountering and having practical contact with? It would take a thesis to answer this satisfactorily Humans have evolved a language of the mind possessed by no other known species on earth. Mostly then, we encounter our thoughts which are a form of language based thinking We construct them, but also interact with them and alter shape and react to them constantly A person can have many difernt voices in their mind , all speaking with difernt skills and all helping debating and arguing to produce the optimum outcomes. Like walking, language is a slow and complex learned process but we do it so young we think of it as easy and natural On occasions it might be tha t our thoughts intersect and interact with the thoughts of others. We now know that thoughts are physical things which can be recorded stored and transmitted Thus it is theoretically possible that some might experience the thoughts of others My personal experiences include contact with all sorts of minds on earth and across the galaxy and from the past i can't prove this to others but there is plenty of contextual evidence to support this. EG i sometimes know things that are only known in the mind of another and thus most likely CAME fromtha t mind to my own My mother had this gift and it had many practical applications One night around midnight she woke dad up to tell him my brother had had a serious fall from his motor bike and needed help she directed dad tot the scene and they took him to hospital (way before mobile phones and the internet ) As my brother was the only one who knew he had had an accident, and where it was, mum could only have got this information from his mind (or form the cosmic consciousness) I could rarely get away with anything, because she knew where i was and what i was doing (from speeding one night along a deserted main road to sneaking a girl into our shack on the beach) She explained it as coming from her Romany ancestry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted September 5, 2019 #8 Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Will Due said: When it comes to the experience of thought, what do you think you're encountering and having practical contact with? A natural curiosity. The natural behaviour of our brain. How we evaluate our environment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted September 5, 2019 #9 Share Posted September 5, 2019 13 hours ago, Will Due said: When it comes to the experience of thought, what do you think you're encountering and having practical contact with? When you think, you're "encountering" and "having practical contact with" yourself. It's like touching yourself. (not that kind of touching yourself, you filthy pervs; but like using your hand to touch the skin on your other hand, etc) Your thoughts are just another aspect of yourself. That's basically it. I know you're trying to spin this into some sort of metaphysical spiritual thing for whatever reason, but it's really not that complex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted September 5, 2019 #10 Share Posted September 5, 2019 16 hours ago, Will Due said: When it comes to the experience of thought, what do you think you're encountering and having practical contact with? ones brain 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted September 5, 2019 #11 Share Posted September 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, Dejarma said: ones brain cormac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted September 6, 2019 #12 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Dejarma said: ones brain Ones mind, actually. The brain is only an organ. The mind is the conscious product of the brain. Sorry to be pedantic, but its an important difference. Hence one's mind and thoughts, memories etc., can potentially be recorded replicated, transferred, etc., from one brain to another. They have a life of their own, but require external support (biological or artificial) to survive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted September 6, 2019 #13 Share Posted September 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: The brain is only an organ. yeah only- just a bit of meat that creates consciousness.. not important. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted September 6, 2019 #14 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I try not to overthink it it's no differnt to me than having 10 fingers and toes, it's what we are and what we do. jmccr8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted September 6, 2019 #15 Share Posted September 6, 2019 On 9/5/2019 at 12:45 AM, Manwon Lender said: Have you ever been experienced? Well, I have Ah, let me prove it to you Ending with a great guitar solo Jimi was definitely experienced Thumbs up on all Jimi references of course, but just a small revision to the above. You're correct that it does have a great (backwards!) guitar solo, but that's not the ending, there's a couple more verses after 'let me prove it to you': "Trumpets and violins I can hear in the distance I think they're calling our name Maybe now you can't hear them but you will If you just take hold of my hand Oh but are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced? Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful" All surrounded by sounds and guitar playing that was never heard before nor has it since. And it was created over a half century ago with no synthesizers, no computers, limited effects pedals, no digital anything. Yes, agreed, Jimi was definitely experienced. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted September 6, 2019 #16 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said: Thumbs up on all Jimi references of course, but just a small revision to the above. You're correct that it does have a great (backwards!) guitar solo, but that's not the ending, there's a couple more verses after 'let me prove it to you': "Trumpets and violins I can hear in the distance I think they're calling our name Maybe now you can't hear them but you will If you just take hold of my hand Oh but are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced? Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful" All surrounded by sounds and guitar playing that was never heard before nor has it since. And it was created over a half century ago with no synthesizers, no computers, limited effects pedals, no digital anything. Yes, agreed, Jimi was definitely experienced. Thanks for the additional lyrics,, your right it was created with out the digital crap, but Jimi always had hie WaWa Pedal and thats really all he needed along with his Brilliance. Thanks for the post Edited September 6, 2019 by Manwon Lender 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted September 6, 2019 #17 Share Posted September 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said: Thumbs up on all Jimi references of course, but just a small revision to the above. You're correct that it does have a great (backwards!) guitar solo, but that's not the ending, there's a couple more verses after 'let me prove it to you': "Trumpets and violins I can hear in the distance I think they're calling our name Maybe now you can't hear them but you will If you just take hold of my hand Oh but are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced? Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful" All surrounded by sounds and guitar playing that was never heard before nor has it since. And it was created over a half century ago with no synthesizers, no computers, limited effects pedals, no digital anything. Yes, agreed, Jimi was definitely experienced. Didn't realize it at first but he is using his wa wa pedal in the photo you provided. take care 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted September 6, 2019 #18 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Manwon Lender said: Didn't realize it at first but he is using his wa wa pedal in the photo you provided. Ha, it looks like he's using everything actually, pretty wild pic. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted September 7, 2019 #19 Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 9/6/2019 at 10:36 AM, Dejarma said: yeah only- just a bit of meat that creates consciousness.. not important. Well it is important as the host of the mind, just as the body is the support vehicle for the brain, but mind is totally different to brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted September 7, 2019 #20 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr Walker said: Well it is important as the host of the mind, just as the body is the support vehicle for the brain, but mind is totally different to brain. No it isn't., But go ahead and provide some evidence that supports your comment here. You really must learn to add 'in my opinion' to most of your claims and opinions. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted September 8, 2019 #21 Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, danydandan said: No it isn't., But go ahead and provide some evidence that supports your comment here. You really must learn to add 'in my opinion' to most of your claims and opinions. Its not an opinion. It is not a claim. It is a simple fact The brain is like the hardware of a computer.The mind is a form of intelligence operating within the hardware but but it is not the hardware itself Hence it is possible to send a visual or verbal thought from one mind to another using wireless and computer interfaces The mind consists of the patterns of neural energy which we generate within the brain both consciously and subconsciously. So it exists within the brain but is NOT the brain The brain is permanent and basically non changing apart from its growth and development or injury . The mind learns, evolves and constantly changes You cannot alter our brain by thought but you can alter your mind Another simple analogy is a tv. The brain is the tv. The mind is the content on the tv, but it is live. interactive, and responsive. Theoretically, due to the nature of mind, it can be stored, replicated, and transmitted from one brain to another, and indeed the first steps in this process have been achieved I do not see mind as separate to brain in that mind can not exist without brain and if the brain is injured so too is the mind but the y are separate in nature. Damage your hardware and you cant access your software but the software is not limited or tied to the hardware You can get another computer and transfer the software to it There is nothing religious or mystical about the mind. It is not inherently immortal, or even special, except for its properties and power. You are what is known in psychology as a materialist The opposite is a dualist. i fit somewhere between the two. The mind is not the brain but given current science it cannot survive without the brain quote A computer required hardware to perform its function. And the hardware need software to make it run. Without software, hardware would be useless and without hardware, software can not be used. Brain is like the hardware and mind is like the software. But in reality, the difference between brain mind are more complicated than software and hardware. In our culture we sometimes use the words brain and mind interchangeably even though they really do refer to separate, although often overlapping, concepts. The brain is an organ but the mind isn't. The brain is the physical place where the mind resides. It is a vessel in which the electronic impulses that create thought are contained. With the brain you coordinate your moves, your organism, your activities and transmit impulses. But you use the mind to think. You can muse at what happened, what is scheduled and what maybe will happen. The mind is the manifestations of thought, perception, emotion, determination, memory and imagination that takes place within the brain. Mind is often used to refer especially to the thought processes of reason. The mind is the awareness of consciousness we know, the ability to control what we do, and know what we are doing and why. It is the ability to understand. Animal are able to interpret their environments, but not understand them. whereas human are able to understand what happens around them, even if not the scientific reasoning for it, and therefore adapt. http://controlmind.info/human-brain/the-difference-between-brain-and-mind Traditionally, scientists have tried to define the mind as the product of brain activity: The brain is the physical substance, and the mind is the conscious product of those firing neurons, according to the classic argument. But growing evidence shows that the mind goes far beyond the physical workings of your brain. After much discussion, they decided that a key component of the mind is: “the emergent self-organizing process, both embodied and relational, that regulates energy and information flow within and among us.” It’s not catchy. But it is interesting, and with meaningful implications. The definition has since been supported by research across the sciences, but much of the original idea came from mathematics. Siegel realized the mind meets the mathematical definition of a complex system in that it’s open (can influence things outside itself), chaos capable (which simply means it’s roughly randomly distributed), and non-linear (which means a small input leads to large and difficult to predict result). In math, complex systems are self-organizing, and Siegel believes this idea is the foundation to mental health. Again borrowing from the mathematics, optimal self-organization is: flexible, adaptive, coherent, energized, and stable. This means that without optimal self-organization, you arrive at either chaos or rigidity—a notion that, Siegel says, fits the range of symptoms of mental health disorders https://qz.com/866352/scientists-say-your-mind-isnt-confined-to-your-brain-or-even-your-body/ Edited September 8, 2019 by Mr Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted September 8, 2019 #22 Share Posted September 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr Walker said: ts not an opinion. It is not a claim. Hi Walker As of yet I have seen only a few classifications, Opinion, claim, fact and B.S, you have disavowed two of your options what is you final choice? jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted September 8, 2019 #23 Share Posted September 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker As of yet I have seen only a few classifications, Opinion, claim, fact and B.S, you have disavowed two of your options what is you final choice? jmccr8 I think the problem is that he isn't experienced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted September 8, 2019 #24 Share Posted September 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said: I think the problem is that he isn't experienced. I think the trouble is someone read too much Halderman, Clarke, Heinlein, Matheson, K.Dick, Wells, Bester Ballard and Pohl, & has never actually experienced anything...... imo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted September 9, 2019 #25 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Brain is the processor. Thoughts are output stimulated by input. Input is from the senses and previous thoughts. God inspired input usually either shows up and appears as a previous thought, remembered or not, or as a external stimulus which is not sensed by anyone else. I'm as experienced as any other 50 year old. What is amusing is watching my young 20 something in laws trying to get by in the world, poorly, while at the same time insisting their decisions are as good as any. This is a common failing of the young, and they often refuse advise of the more experienced our of... Arrogance? Stubbornness? Inexperience? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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