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Black Eyed Kids Encounter? What is this??

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joc
2 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

Just wanted to chime in that many hold these cryptid creatures to not be full-time residents of the physical realm making physical capture not even really possible.

making absolutely anything possible....which is kind of ludicrous.

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LissaLou82

@XenoFish I have read that article, but I really appreciate the info. I honestly don't think that my husband made it up, but I can't really find anything to validate what he said he saw. He was in 3 wars and he seems like he's fine, but I am starting to think that maybe he does have PTSD or something. I think I might just dismiss this research on the BEKs and just move on. But again I really do appreciate the info you have provided. And if you do find something credible about this or find a connection between BEKs and H.P. Lovecraft please let me know

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Imaginarynumber1
16 minutes ago, joc said:

I  thought my Grandmother originated that!  She always called me her little, black eyed, brown haired boy! 

My grandmother just called me a little ****  I'm her defense, i was and still am a little ****.

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Imaginarynumber1
1 minute ago, LissaLou82 said:

@XenoFish I have read that article, but I really appreciate the info. I honestly don't think that my husband made it up, but I can't really find anything to validate what he said he saw. He was in 3 wars and he seems like he's fine, but I am starting to think that maybe he does have PTSD or something. I think I might just dismiss this research on the BEKs and just move on. But again I really do appreciate the info you have provided. And if you do find something credible about this or find a connection between BEKs and H.P. Lovecraft please let me know

Having extensively read Lovectaft, I know of no links whatsoever. Especially considering there are zero reports of black eyes kids before the mid 1990's. 

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55 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

That actually argues for the thinking something not normal was actually afoot. Young kids in all these stories wouldn't normally evoke the emotions they evoke! But why? The suspicion is they are exuding something beyond what we can see on the surface. People talk about the eyes first perhaps because that is something we can address normally?

It's difficult to imagine the husband's vantage point, but given the OP's description of it, it does not appear as though he would have had that clear a visual. nor a steady one if he was standing on his toes. Even if that were not the case, one should know that it is not unusual for someone's eyelids to 'disappear' if they are looking upwards; it's also not unusual for someone to look pale when illuminated by a flashlight; and it's not unusual for pupils to dilate in low light. What is unusual, however, is a child knocking on your door in the middle of the night.

It wasn't the child that wasn't normal; it was his circumstances and that's what should have triggered the fear, not some over the top determination that it was not human.

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Imaginarynumber1
15 minutes ago, joc said:

making absolutely anything possible....which is kind of ludicrous.

The common battlecry of the ghost/cryptid hunters. "They're not from here, therefore anything I make up is true"

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SecretSanta

If someone was knocking on my door in the middle of the night I’d be scared. It happened to me years ago, my husband was out of town and I freaked out. Luckily it was just 2 of my husbands buddies and not BEK.

Quick question, did either of you think about calling the police? 

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papageorge1
30 minutes ago, joc said:

making absolutely anything possible....which is kind of ludicrous.

Everything logically possible is possible. The judgment is on reasonableness based on the quantity, quality and consistency of experiences. 

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papageorge1
18 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

It's difficult to imagine the husband's vantage point, but given the OP's description of it, it does not appear as though he would have had that clear a visual. nor a steady one if he was standing on his toes. Even if that were not the case, one should know that it is not unusual for someone's eyelids to 'disappear' if they are looking upwards; it's also not unusual for someone to look pale when illuminated by a flashlight; and it's not unusual for pupils to dilate in low light. What is unusual, however, is a child knocking on your door in the middle of the night.

It wasn't the child that wasn't normal; it was his circumstances and that's what should have triggered the fear, not some over the top determination that it was not human.

If I get a knock on the door in the middle of the night and see a normal kid I’m going to be cautious but I am not going to overreact like that and have my wife writing about it on the internet days later after researching the internet.

I see a pattern to these cases. I was very impressed by the experiencer in the thread I linked above.

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joc
14 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Everything logically possible is possible. The judgment is on reasonableness based on the quantity, quality and consistency of experiences. 

I don't really think you know enough about logic to even comment on the subject with any credibility.

The quote above has no real meaning.   It is meaningless...absolutely meaningless.

 

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XenoFish
7 hours ago, LissaLou82 said:

@XenoFish I have read that article, but I really appreciate the info. I honestly don't think that my husband made it up, but I can't really find anything to validate what he said he saw. He was in 3 wars and he seems like he's fine, but I am starting to think that maybe he does have PTSD or something. I think I might just dismiss this research on the BEKs and just move on. But again I really do appreciate the info you have provided. And if you do find something credible about this or find a connection between BEKs and H.P. Lovecraft please let me know

This event happened 2 years ago correct? If it hasn't reoccurred, you can file it in the "that was weird" folder and move on. If this event still is a nagging thought, setup a few security cameras and motion lights. If for no other reason than to feel safer. 

And I appreciate the courteous response. Thank you.

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LissaLou82

@XenoFish Yes it was in September of 2017. We have setup some cameras and a security system so we can see what is going on around the house at all times. We still hear weird things hitting the house and random extremely cold spots in various places throughout the house but we know what that is. I just don't understand it. But yeah it was a little more than just weird lol. I literally didn't sleep for 2 days after that happened. It is what it is I guess

 

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papageorge1
14 hours ago, joc said:

I don't really think you know enough about logic to even comment on the subject with any credibility.

The quote above has no real meaning.   It is meaningless...absolutely meaningless.

 

And you seem to be saying if you can't capture it and prove it then we can dismiss it. Bad logic.

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the13bats
On 9/8/2019 at 10:39 AM, LissaLou82 said:

Yeah, a night prowler? Seriously? You know I have read your comments on other posts that are similar to mine, and they are all the same type of crap. You are trolling. You are trying to bait people into fighting with you, you are just being disrespectful and down right ridiculous. You need to go back to the forum rules and read them carefully because you are violating them and I am sure I am not the only one that is beyond annoyed by your sarcasm. If you aren't going to comment something that is polite or respectful, then do the adult thing and just not make a comment at all. I hope you have a great day, thanks for stopping by

this is a public forum and opinions will vary with each person, we might not agree with someone we might even dislike their opinion but ad hominem attacks ruin a persons integrity and credibility with me,

you have to understand you posted a hearsay outlandidh story eith zero proof it was written very dramitic just like most spook tales are written  i enjoyed your line stolen from the film, after a salt mention of "predator",

no, i dont believe in spirits or spookies or kids with black eyes scaring grown men ( who dont frighten easily ) why? because end the end we have zero proof only stories, which is enough for the gullible not for me.

"If" this isnt a made up tale then it really points to a hallucinogenic dream type phenomenon,  and haunts, spirits, demons, they are constructs of the mind, they start  exist and end there, as a labeled sceptic ive never been haunted, how boring.

I myself im 6, 2 but i startle easy, i have had a lifetime of ptsd type panic nervious bs type mental issues, yeah, "mental issue" thats taboo but paranormal supernatural thats okay, right?

even so, i assure you i would have confronted a brat on my porch, i would have called the law, who are less than a mile from me, and while i would protect myself i wouldnt go all  dramatic rambo spewing about "making it bleed", your tale does sound made up.

When i read "stories" of whatever human type encounters i always find it odd people jump to be oh so very affraid, what if that had been a kidnapped child, escaped his captor, scared out of his mind, and your husband acting looney gave the adbuctor a chance to nab him back again, a reach?

not as big as claiming some supernatural kids are knocking on doors to stare guys down, no, i wouldnt cower in the corner, if i was so scared out of my wits no not check it out i can still call 911.

im not rrying to be a jerk but i am showing you we all have different views on alleged encounters, i have seen people come here post their tale and get very angry over any explanation that isnt paranormal, i wonder why people dont add a disclaimer...no prosaic explainations excepted.

since it was a one time gig i guess i wouldnt worry too much but if spookies effect a persons life its time to seek help from mental health specialists...its really not taboo.

 

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joc
3 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

And you seem to be saying if you can't capture it and prove it then we can dismiss it. Bad logic.

Hatman...Black Eyed Kids...The Boogie Man...The Headless Horseman..Freddy Krueger...

What I seem to be saying is that they are all a figment of imagination.  Things happen in dreams and sleep...it's all mental...none of it is physical...there is not a place outside of the bio-electric trash in our brain where any of these live.  Some physical manifestations do seem to be real...but alas...it is all mental.  Ghosts, everything you believe in the Paranormal is just so much electric-jive in the brain.  We are all human so we all have the same 'kind' of brain...human...so we all think more or less the same and consequently experience more or less the same things. 

So when you say things like Quality of Experience and Quantity...its meaningless.  It's meaningless because it is impossible to verify the actual 'realness' of an otherwise  fictitious  character based on anecdote of experience.  

That is what I 'seem' to be saying.  That you have your head tucked away nicely in the sand oblivious to anything that doesn't further your mantra of 'another realm' is also what I 'seem' to be saying.  Could I be any more clearer-er?   I don't dislike you Papageorge...I don't think you are a jerk or anything of the sort.  If I did I'd  ignore you.   I just think your observations of reality are very much off base.  But then... I'm a realist...not a Pantheist.  And consequently I think most humans observations of reality are very much off base.  :)

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papageorge1
2 hours ago, joc said:

Hatman...Black Eyed Kids...The Boogie Man...The Headless Horseman..Freddy Krueger...

You are linking quite unlike things there that should not be lumped together for a quick group dismissal.

2 hours ago, joc said:

What I seem to be saying is that they are all a figment of imagination.  Things happen in dreams and sleep...it's all mental...none of it is physical...there is not a place outside of the bio-electric trash in our brain where any of these live.  Some physical manifestations do seem to be real...but alas...it is all mental.  Ghosts, everything you believe in the Paranormal is just so much electric-jive in the brain.  We are all human so we all have the same 'kind' of brain...human...so we all think more or less the same and consequently experience more or less the same things. 

And I'm saying is that some things can be imagination and some things can be real whose reality are in other dimensions of reality and these can at times involve themselves with our familiar physical dimensions. The mountain of cases claiming physical events, multiple independent witness, anomalies on investigative equipment, knowledge not gained through normal channels, etc. in my objective judgment defeats the 'it's all imagination' theory. After years on forums I am way, way too aware of the denialism towards all this and objectively now consider that as clinging irrationally to an incorrect worldview.

And apparently never the twain shall meet until the zero, once or twice paradigm flips in a lifetime.

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qxcontinuum

And all they wanted was to sell him chocolate for the local charity Foundation.

I bet. The little Joshua and Susie never thought they're going to be Miss identified as aliens

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joc
3 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

You are linking quite unlike things there that should not be lumped together for a quick group dismissal.

Oh, that was just the short list...all things paranormal can be lumped together for a quick group dismissal.  And they are.  The 'other' realm is just more mental chatter.  It doesn't exist except for speculation among those who are not firmly gripped in reality.  

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papageorge1
49 minutes ago, joc said:

...all things paranormal can be lumped together for a quick group dismissal.  

It is definitely not rational to dismiss all claims. But you are free to do that for yourself.

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the13bats
44 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

It is definitely not rational to dismiss all claims. But you are free to do that for yourself.

"Dismiss claims" to me "claim" implies, a story no evidence zero proof, its very rational to group all of the stories together and dismiss them, quick easy, even though in my case i do say if you have proof show me,

what isnt rational is to be so very gullible that any story of paranormal superstitious nature be believed at face value.

a 8 yo child might completely believe in santa, a fellow who flies around one night in a deer pulled slead giving toys to all the kids, millions of toys, to that child that is rational, and i find the pg way of thinking the same as i see that childs thinking.

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24 minutes ago, the13bats said:

"Dismiss claims" to me "claim" implies, a story no evidence zero proof, its very rational to group all of the stories together and dismiss them, quick easy, even though in my case i do say if you have proof show me,

what isnt rational is to be so very gullible that any story of paranormal superstitious nature be believed at face value.

a 8 yo child might completely believe in santa, a fellow who flies around one night in a deer pulled slead giving toys to all the kids, millions of toys, to that child that is rational, and i find the pg way of thinking the same as i see that childs thinking.

It’s really futile dealing with such irrational batty (sorry) logic. I should ignore but:

So, if multiple witnesses see a ghost and can’t prove it we should dismiss it as opposed to giving it serious consideration. Carry on with that thinking if you’re content I guess.

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14 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

It’s really futile dealing with such irrational batty (sorry) logic. I should ignore but:

So, if multiple witnesses see a ghost and can’t prove it we should dismiss it as opposed to giving it serious consideration. Carry on with that thinking if you’re content I guess.

pg, just a heads up, i picked the the nickname bats, or it kind of picked me a good 20 years ago, calling me versions like "batty" isnt negative to me, in fact i smile, i like it, so no need to apologise.

and i already know you find your content bliss in gullibility, dont ever stop.

should we dismiss it? well, name the witnesses, better yet link to the documented event, you know time, date, place, people involved, ill examine the evidence and get back to you should we dismiss it....wait, just going on what you offer multiple witnesses claim to see a ghost, zero proof, yeah, lets cut to the chase, dismiss it as "stories" like the millions of kids who believe in santa..many claim to see him.

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joc
7 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

It’s really futile dealing with such irrational ^^^^^^^^^^^ logic.

I will second that!  Logical thinking isn't your strong suit.  I think I'm done here.:st

 

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