Gallup poll: 'Government is covering up UFOs'

[ThereWeAreThen]

5 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

That’s your opinion.

What? The definition of UFO (unidentified flying object) is an object moving in the air which cant be identified... not alien spacecraft specifically. 

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

What? The definition of UFO (unidentified flying object) is an object moving in the air which cant be identified... not alien spacecraft specifically. 

So what are they if not alien technologies.

[Unusual Tournament]

This anti alien UFO cabal is so easy to break. Ask them if not aliens then what are they.. and It’s the same old chestnut... weather balloon, enemy drone or drunken eyewitnesses...lol

[ThereWeAreThen]

3 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

So what are they if not alien technologies.

Misidentified civilian aircraft, weather balloon, natural phenomena, bird, military aircraft, meteor/comet....then theres that teeny teeny change it MIGHT be an actual ET craft.

 

I prolly missed more btw.

[Unusual Tournament]

Just now, ThereWeAreThen said:

Misidentified civilian aircraft, weather balloon, natural phenomena, bird, military aircraft, meteor/comet....then theres that teeny teeny change it MIGHT be an actual ET craft.

 

I prolly missed more btw.

They’ve been visual and radar recordings by military Personel, surely these professionals are t that inept at their jobs and their superiors just gullible to brief the president and congress on birds and weather balloons?

[ThereWeAreThen]

1 minute ago, Captain Risky said:

They’ve been visual and radar recordings by military Personel, surely these professionals are t that inept at their jobs and their superiors just gullible to brief the president and congress on birds and weather balloons?

And in some cases they were UNIDENTIFIED, which means they didn't know what it was.  Stop going straight to aliens until more details are released. 

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Just now, ThereWeAreThen said:

And in some cases they were UNIDENTIFIED, which means they didn't know what it was.  Stop going straight to aliens until more details are released. 

Something that can move at Mach 10 and stop suddenly and shot off again in another direction is not of this world.

[ThereWeAreThen]

Just now, Captain Risky said:

Something that can move at Mach 10 and stop suddenly and shot off again in another direction is not of this world.

Ok I concede I work for CIA and I'm here to tell people its b******s, you got me. 

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Just now, ThereWeAreThen said:

Ok I concede I work for CIA and I'm here to tell people its b******s, you got me. 

Are you cancer man?

[ThereWeAreThen]

2 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Are you cancer man?

Depends what you mean by that?

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1 minute ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Depends what you mean by that?

X-files. Mulder. It’s a joke. I meant nothing by it.

[zac509]

Dreamland: An Autobiography

• Book by Bob Lazar if one of your close friends.or family,was to tell you that aliens(the greys etc) are real.you automatically dissect angle objective and  personal credibility come into play.never caring to rather believe that you are in fact being disclosed.because you are in fact being exposed to a coverup.therefore the disclosure becomes a  misidentification or a far fetched story.the question is what is more purposeful? The truth or a lie?

[Hazzard]

8 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Something that can move at Mach 10 and stop suddenly and shot off again in another direction is not of this world.

Atmospheric plasma and ball lightning is known to move at great speed, move like under intelligent control and even have a metallic lookin surface. 

[psyche101]

9 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

They’ve been visual and radar recordings by military Personel, surely these professionals are t that inept at their jobs and their superiors just gullible to brief the president and congress on birds and weather balloons?

There are many explanations for UFOs. They are as endless as the imagination. We know that many are indeed identified and are exaggerations. Look how out of hand the Phoenix thing got.

That's not to say they don't exist. As you say here, some have been caught on RADAR, take away the eventually identified and explained and a number still remain.

However, not a single one ever has been identified as heading into or out of the atmosphere. They are notably earthbound trajectories. There's nothing tying UFOs to space other than people grasping at straws to explain unexpected occurences.

9 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Something that can move at Mach 10 and stop suddenly and shot off again in another direction is not of this world.

It defies any sort of organic matter really. 

Lasers can. Dusty Plasmas can a hold a charge resulting in a magnetic effect appearing as intelligent control. 

Min-min lights are mysterious lights in Australia’s Outback which appear suddenly, may chase you if you're in a car, approach rapidly to within a few metres, often switch position dramatically, and have no discernible origin.

"Min-min" is an Aboriginal term and was also the name of a remote Outback hotel – burned down long ago – in north-west Queensland.

http://users.adam.com.au/bstett/PaMinMinSolved97.htm

 

Also, the Hessdalen project has recorded some astounding testimonials of suspected dusty plasma activity 

Eg:

Date: 11.10.1997 Time: 11.15 PM Place:Morkvollhogda, south in Hessdalen.
Observers:Akhtar Issak and Andreas Barwin Olsen.
Weather conditions: Clouded, visibility good, no wind.
Observation done during the Triangle project
At 11.45 Akhtar pointed out a red light west of Oyungen. Andreas thought that he had seen the light one minute earlier, but at the time he was convinced that it was the rear light of a car. When Akhtar caught sight of it, he came to the same conclusion. The light was travelling westward away from Bravo, and at a rather high speed. Akhtar then studied the light through the 200 mm lens of his camera. He saw that the light changed colour from red to yellow, and came towards Bravo at a very high speed. Akhtar explains that the light source seemed to be very big, it covered completely his field of vision through the camera lens, and he was completely blinded. When the object shifted from red to yellow Akhtar started to shoot with his camera. (See note 1) The light moved back and forth over Oyungen before it disappeared in the south, that is, it moved “in behind Morkvollhogda” as seen from our point of view. Immediately after the light had disappeared “behind Morkvollhogda”, the western part of Lake Oyongen was illuminated as by an enormous spotlight. The line between the light circle and the dark surroundings was well defined. “The spotlight” was not in sight, but it seemed like the light was emitted from a point behind Morkvollhogda where the light ball had just disappeared. In the middle of Lake Oyongen there is an island (Storholmen). This island was not visible in the dark, but as “the spotlight was turned on”, we could clearly see the whole island, even details such as trees. This was also the case for the western shore of Lake Oyongen. “The spotlight” searched the western part of the lake, while it “was turned on and off”. The light was enormously intense. The next part of the observation was by Akhtar Issak alone, as he studied the dark surface of the lake through his camera: a light circle formed on the lake, between the island Storholmen and the southwestern shore. The light was bluish, like the light of burning gas, but not so intense. It resembled more the northern light that is often seen in this part of the country, but far from lightening the sky, this light seemed to be emitted from a submerged source of energy. Both Andreas and Akhtar checked the sky for northern lights, but it was heavily clouded, and no reflection from the sky was visible on the lake. The “submerged” light slowly vanished. Akhtar tried to shoot some photos of the phenomenon, but the light was to faint to expose the film. Both Andreas and Akhtar noticed that while “the spotlight” was illuminating Lake Oyongen, and only then, some small, compact fog “globes” came drifting from the lake towards them, wrapping up the camp for approx. one minute as they passed by. 
Both the members of the Bravo crew experienced this last observation over Lake Oyongen as dramatic and frightening. Akhtar Issak and Andreas Barwin Olsen Akhtar got a series of pictures of the light, some of them may be seen here. The camera was mounted on a tripod, equipped with motor and the time between each exposure is less than 1/2 second. He used a 200 mm lens, aperture 5.6, shutter speed 1/125 sec. The distance to the light was approx. 3 kilometres. 
Ref.: Akhtar Issak and Andreas Barwin Olsen

 

http://www.hessdalen.org/observations/

 

There's more reason to consider UFOs  a terrestrial phenomena rather than an alien visitation. 

Not too ms secrets these days eo what with drones satellites and spy networks, I just can't see all the countries who would have the ability to be in the know keeping it a secret even if not just out of spite, let alone the disruption such information could cause. 

Edited September 10, 2019 by psyche101

[+Hammerclaw]

The government couldn't even cover up Monica Lewinsky.

[Unusual Tournament]

5 hours ago, Hazzard said:

Atmospheric plasma and ball lightning is known to move at great speed, move like under intelligent control and even have a metallic lookin surface. 

What about the mind-mangling electric fields? At 20 kilometres altitude, Füllekrug thinks it highly doubtful that these transient plasmas could have much effect. On the ground, the similar phenomenon of 'ball lightning' has been described, but is little understood. Whatever these are made of, such earthly plasmas are likely to have such a weak electromagnetic field that they are pretty unlikely to register on scientific equipment, let alone the human brain, says Füllekrug.

"The science it's been based on is very questionable," agrees Clarke. "When meteorologists and physicists read it there'll be a lot of chuckling," he predicts. 

Totally open-minded

To be fair, the report is quite clear that it is not meant to be a rigorous study of the science behind UFO experiences; just an assessment of military risk. (Although given that it says plasma balls can affect our brains, I wonder how exactly they can stick with the assessment that there  isn't a risk).

https://www.nature.com/news/2006/060508/full/060508-6.html

Plasma lightning wouldn’t be able to be recorded on video or radar. Something that the airforce all ready has.

 

[Unusual Tournament]

4 hours ago, psyche101 said:

There are many explanations for UFOs. They are as endless as the imagination. We know that many are indeed identified and are exaggerations. Look how out of hand the Phoenix thing got.

That's not to say they don't exist. As you say here, some have been caught on RADAR, take away the eventually identified and explained and a number still remain.

However, not a single one ever has been identified as heading into or out of the atmosphere. They are notably earthbound trajectories. There's nothing tying UFOs to space other than people grasping at straws to explain unexpected occurences.

It defies any sort of organic matter really. 

Lasers can. Dusty Plasmas can a hold a charge resulting in a magnetic effect appearing as intelligent control. 

Min-min lights are mysterious lights in Australia’s Outback which appear suddenly, may chase you if you're in a car, approach rapidly to within a few metres, often switch position dramatically, and have no discernible origin.

"Min-min" is an Aboriginal term and was also the name of a remote Outback hotel – burned down long ago – in north-west Queensland.

http://users.adam.com.au/bstett/PaMinMinSolved97.htm

 

Also, the Hessdalen project has recorded some astounding testimonials of suspected dusty plasma activity 

Eg:

Date: 11.10.1997 Time: 11.15 PM Place:Morkvollhogda, south in Hessdalen.
Observers:Akhtar Issak and Andreas Barwin Olsen.
Weather conditions: Clouded, visibility good, no wind.
Observation done during the Triangle project
At 11.45 Akhtar pointed out a red light west of Oyungen. Andreas thought that he had seen the light one minute earlier, but at the time he was convinced that it was the rear light of a car. When Akhtar caught sight of it, he came to the same conclusion. The light was travelling westward away from Bravo, and at a rather high speed. Akhtar then studied the light through the 200 mm lens of his camera. He saw that the light changed colour from red to yellow, and came towards Bravo at a very high speed. Akhtar explains that the light source seemed to be very big, it covered completely his field of vision through the camera lens, and he was completely blinded. When the object shifted from red to yellow Akhtar started to shoot with his camera. (See note 1) The light moved back and forth over Oyungen before it disappeared in the south, that is, it moved “in behind Morkvollhogda” as seen from our point of view. Immediately after the light had disappeared “behind Morkvollhogda”, the western part of Lake Oyongen was illuminated as by an enormous spotlight. The line between the light circle and the dark surroundings was well defined. “The spotlight” was not in sight, but it seemed like the light was emitted from a point behind Morkvollhogda where the light ball had just disappeared. In the middle of Lake Oyongen there is an island (Storholmen). This island was not visible in the dark, but as “the spotlight was turned on”, we could clearly see the whole island, even details such as trees. This was also the case for the western shore of Lake Oyongen. “The spotlight” searched the western part of the lake, while it “was turned on and off”. The light was enormously intense. The next part of the observation was by Akhtar Issak alone, as he studied the dark surface of the lake through his camera: a light circle formed on the lake, between the island Storholmen and the southwestern shore. The light was bluish, like the light of burning gas, but not so intense. It resembled more the northern light that is often seen in this part of the country, but far from lightening the sky, this light seemed to be emitted from a submerged source of energy. Both Andreas and Akhtar checked the sky for northern lights, but it was heavily clouded, and no reflection from the sky was visible on the lake. The “submerged” light slowly vanished. Akhtar tried to shoot some photos of the phenomenon, but the light was to faint to expose the film. Both Andreas and Akhtar noticed that while “the spotlight” was illuminating Lake Oyongen, and only then, some small, compact fog “globes” came drifting from the lake towards them, wrapping up the camp for approx. one minute as they passed by. 
Both the members of the Bravo crew experienced this last observation over Lake Oyongen as dramatic and frightening. Akhtar Issak and Andreas Barwin Olsen Akhtar got a series of pictures of the light, some of them may be seen here. The camera was mounted on a tripod, equipped with motor and the time between each exposure is less than 1/2 second. He used a 200 mm lens, aperture 5.6, shutter speed 1/125 sec. The distance to the light was approx. 3 kilometres. 
Ref.: Akhtar Issak and Andreas Barwin Olsen

 

http://www.hessdalen.org/observations/

 

There's more reason to consider UFOs  a terrestrial phenomena rather than an alien visitation. 

Not too ms secrets these days eo what with drones satellites and spy networks, I just can't see all the countries who would have the ability to be in the know keeping it a secret even if not just out of spite, let alone the disruption such information could cause. 

Thanks for your reply. Found it interesting and useful. Still you don’t go to the president and congress with sensational claims of electrical storms. I’m sure the airforce and navy have discounted all the obvious before being concerned enough to report.

[+Not A Rockstar]

18 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I think the greater number of people who answered were thinking government built craft. Not aliens.

I agree with this. If you ask me simply if I believe in UFOs, I would answer yes.

I doubt very much they are ET, but, I have seen things in the skies I have no idea what they might be for sure. UFO does not mean only ET as a potential source. 

[TrumanB]

I believe in the opposite conspiracy theory, that since the Cold War USA was cherishing this idea of aliens visiting Earth and colluding with them just to cover up some of their other activities.

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, stereologist said:

Never made such a claim. This is a straw man argument of no value. It appears to be your response to the simple fact that you have pretended to know what was discussed in a closed door meeting.

So sit back and just accept the fact that there are people out there, credible people that believe there just might be aliens visiting us.

[Trelane]

8 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

So sit back and just accept the fact that there are people out there, credible people that believe there just might be aliens visiting us.

Can you provide a list of those individuals and what their occupation is?

[TrumanB]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

Can you provide a list of those individuals and what their occupation is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Dolan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Leir

 

and there was one nuclear physicist he was also believer...do you remember of his name? He died maybe a couple of years ago.

 

Oh, yes. Here he is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_T._Friedman

Edited September 10, 2019 by TrumanB

[freetoroam]

18 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

They’ve been visual and radar recordings by military Personel, surely these professionals are t that inept at their jobs and their superiors just gullible to brief the president and congress on birds and weather balloons?

Just because they work for the military flying a plane does not make them professional.astronomers.

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1 minute ago, freetoroam said:

Just because they work for the military flying a plane does not make them professional.astronomers.

 Not astronomers but very credible eyewitnesses and professionals in aerodynamics. 

[Saru]

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