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Plato's Atlantis, a Prophecy Cloathed in Myth

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Noteverythingisaconspiracy
11 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

I mean the Germans are super friendly.  They show up out of nowhere and make themselves at home like they own the place.  Such extroverts.  The life of the party (and we all know which party).

We do get a lot of German visitors. April 9th 1940 to may 5th 1945 saw a particularly large and persistent group of young German men visiting. :cry:

 

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So what is about Plato's Atlantis that even towns have been named after it? Why would a, seemingly, unfinished story from so long ago still inspire so much attention? Providence perhaps?

We could make a very long list of all things and places which bear the name of Atlantis, but we need not, as a couple will suffice to just point out here the popularity of such an old story,

From Wikipedia. Atlantis is a city in Palm Beach County, Florida, United States. According to 2005 census estimates, the city had a population of 2,142.[6] The city was named after the legendary island of Atlantis

From https://www.dictionary.com/e/atlantis/   The final space shuttle mission has blasted off, launching the fascinating word mystery of “Atlantis” into our consciousness: How did the name of a mythical kingdom thousands of leagues under the sea become the moniker for a vehicle soaring  thousands of miles into space?

In two of Plato’s dialogues, Timaeus and Critias – both penned around 360 B.C., the Greek philosopher recites the tale of a lost civilization located in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean named Atlantis. Derived from the Greek Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος meaning “island of Atlas,” and regarded as the domain of Poseidon, the god of sea, Atlantis was supposedly a mighty maritime force that lay “in front of the Pillars of Hercules” and vanquished parts of Western Europe and Africa. According to Plato’s account, Atlantis eventually sank to the bottom of the sea “in a single day and night of misfortune.”

Possibly drawing upon Plato’s dialogues, in 1941 DC Comics debuted Aquaman – a superhero hailing from the lost city of Atlantis, possessing superhuman abilities to breathe underwater, communicate with sea life, and swim with great vigor. Perhaps tired from overseeing seventy percent of the earth’s surface, the original Aquaman retired from superherodom in 1985. Coincidentally the space shuttle Atlantis made its maiden voyage that same year.

Superheroes and lost cities aside, the space shuttle Atlantis was actually named after the RV Atlantis – a research vessel used from 1930 to 1966 by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute to study marine life and the ocean floor. All of the shuttles have been named after historically important maritime research vessels. The two-masted sailing ship was named in honor of – you guessed it, the” lost city” of Atlantis.

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Close, but no cigar! Some very interesting takes on Atlantis and the USA, but not quite the truth, since the USA cannot be a "New" Atlantis. The USA is the one and only Atlantis meant by Plato, a great prophet of the future dressed up as a philosopher of the past. And Atlantis is in his future dressed up in the past.

Is America The New Atlantis? And If So, Has Its Development Been “Overseen?”

While most dismiss the notion that Atlantis did at one time exist, there is still debate as to whether the lost world was very much a real place. There are even people that believe it is slowly being rebuilt, both literally, and also in influence and ideology. Some believe that the United States – once known as the “new world” - is the intended reincarnation of Atlantis.

With the pilgrims, also went the old and secretive societies – the Freemasons. Some of which are said to have their roots go right the way back to ancient Egypt and Babylon. If ancient Egypt, for example, was indeed built out of the remnants of the stricken society of Atlantis following its tragic downfall, then it would make a certain amount of sense that this may be the case.

The "Importance" Of Sir Francis Bacon And George Washington

One person in particular who appears to have been very influential in the “creation” of the United States was Sir Francis Bacon, a member of such secret societies, and whose ideology on the creation of the New World appears to have very much been at the heart of the thinking minds of early America. In 1910 a Newfoundland stamp was discovered that had the statement, “Lord Bacon: the Guiding Spirit in [the] Colonization Scheme” written on it. Some even call Sir Francis Bacon “the real founding father of America”

Thomas Jefferson, the third president of the United States even went as far as to call him one of the three most influential people on the planet at the time.

So with this in mind, is it possible that America is the result and end game of a master plan to create a new world with the ancient ideology of a lost one? Installed and carried out by masonic secret societies? Perhaps more interestingly, was this development of the United States overseen and influenced? And if so, was this to assist the alleged secret societies in carrying out their plans, or to guard against them?
 
There are plenty of unusual sightings and phenomena in the early years of the United States. The aforementioned Thomas Jefferson himself spoke of a strange incident he witnessed in Baton Rouge, Louisiana in 1800.

Jefferson sent a communication from Natchez, regarding a sighting of a strange object by a man from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, William Dunbar.

The communication spoke of a strange object in the sky that passed over the heads of those who witnessed it from south west to north east in less than a minute. It was described as being the size of a large house and around eighty feet long and appeared to be the color of the sun near the horizon – a crimson red.

As it passed over the heads of the onlookers, it lit up the earth below them and considerable heat could be felt. Jefferson then went on to describe how modern day scientists and ufologists alike would describe the craft breaking the sound barrier:
“Immediately after it disappeared in the northeast, a violent rushing noise was heard, as if the phenomenon was bearing down the forest before it, and in a few seconds a tremendous crash was heard similar to that of the largest piece of ordnance causing a very sensible earthquake.”
If indeed it was an intelligently guided UFO, what would their interest be? Almost a quarter of a century earlier, another strange incident occurred to another key figure in America’s early years. In the snow and bitterly cold winter of 1777, his men weary from battle and close to their spirits being broken, one of the founding fathers of America, George Washington, had a vision – or perhaps more accurately, a visitation. 
 

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ThereWeAreThen
On 10/2/2019 at 10:17 AM, Pettytalk said:

So what is about Plato's Atlantis that even towns have been named after it? Why would a, seemingly, unfinished story from so long ago still inspire so much attention? Providence perhaps?

We could make a very long list of all things and places which bear the name of Atlantis, but we need not, as a couple will suffice to just point out here the popularity of such an old story,

From Wikipedia. Atlantis is a city in Palm Beach County, Florida, United States. According to 2005 census estimates, the city had a population of 2,142.[6] The city was named after the legendary island of Atlantis

From https://www.dictionary.com/e/atlantis/   The final space shuttle mission has blasted off, launching the fascinating word mystery of “Atlantis” into our consciousness: How did the name of a mythical kingdom thousands of leagues under the sea become the moniker for a vehicle soaring  thousands of miles into space?

In two of Plato’s dialogues, Timaeus and Critias – both penned around 360 B.C., the Greek philosopher recites the tale of a lost civilization located in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean named Atlantis. Derived from the Greek Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος meaning “island of Atlas,” and regarded as the domain of Poseidon, the god of sea, Atlantis was supposedly a mighty maritime force that lay “in front of the Pillars of Hercules” and vanquished parts of Western Europe and Africa. According to Plato’s account, Atlantis eventually sank to the bottom of the sea “in a single day and night of misfortune.”

Possibly drawing upon Plato’s dialogues, in 1941 DC Comics debuted Aquaman – a superhero hailing from the lost city of Atlantis, possessing superhuman abilities to breathe underwater, communicate with sea life, and swim with great vigor. Perhaps tired from overseeing seventy percent of the earth’s surface, the original Aquaman retired from superherodom in 1985. Coincidentally the space shuttle Atlantis made its maiden voyage that same year.

Superheroes and lost cities aside, the space shuttle Atlantis was actually named after the RV Atlantis – a research vessel used from 1930 to 1966 by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute to study marine life and the ocean floor. All of the shuttles have been named after historically important maritime research vessels. The two-masted sailing ship was named in honor of – you guessed it, the” lost city” of Atlantis.

Why have cities/towns been named after Atlantis? Tourism.

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@Pettytalk "Things have been named after Atlantis, so Atlantis must be real" is one of the weakest arguments I have seen.

There are plenty of things named Dragon, so dragons must be real too ?

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On 10/2/2019 at 6:17 AM, Pettytalk said:

From Wikipedia. Atlantis is a city in Palm Beach County, Florida, United States.

Those folks eat each others faces off and shoot guns at weather patterns I dont think I would look to Florida as a bastion of reasoning for your argument

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Having proven (to my satisfaction) in another thread that Atlantis was located in the middle of France (or was it Holland?) I have come up with another original, amazing, ground-breaking, brilliant, astounding, totally awesome theory.  Applying the same level of etymological prestidigitation and wild imagination as the OP I can prove once and for all that Atlantis was:

a)      real; and

b)      not made up.

The smoking gun is in the name written in the original Greek.  Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος is usually translated as Atlantis Island but look closely – what’s that apostrophe in front of the A?  It’s the symbol for a ‘breathed’ h sound at the start of the word1.  So the real name is Hatlantis!  And what is Hatlantis?  It’s a shop in Helsinki which is a real place2!  It’s in a country called Thinland3!

So Pluto was making a prediction – one that only came true in 2018, exactly 2378 years later!  How could he possibly have known this so long ago?  It is obvious – the Atlanteans discovered time-travel and bought their hats in the future!  (Their future – our present; it gets a bit confusing.)

I am SO impressed with my own genius and insight that I plan to give up work and devote all my time to developing this theory.  I also plan to prove that they bought their groceries at my local Tesco’s because there’s some people who shop there that look a bit odd.

 

1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_breathing  I didn’t really understand this article – it’s all in foreign so I couldn’t read much of it.

2 https://www.finder.fi/Hattukauppa+hattujen+valmistus/Hatlantis+Oy/Helsinki/yhteystiedot/3228872  This is written is a strange language with too many vowels – probably Atlantean.

3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helsinki

                                                                                                                                                             

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Skipping over the useless comments, here is another coincidence to add to the list, for the prediction of a mighty naval power coming forth from an "Island" in the Atlantic.

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/a/atlantis-the-legendary-island.html

Atlantis: The Legendary Island

Even the US naval history site mentions Atlantis for obvious reasons. The reason being, the US Naval force, like Atlantis's naval power described by Plato is, without dispute, the  most powerful naval power in the world. The United States Navy is hands down the best and most powerful navy in the world. It eclipses all the other navies in the world by an almost comical margin. https://improb.com/best-military-navy-force/

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50 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

Skipping over the useless comments, here is another coincidence to add to the list, for the prediction of a mighty naval power coming forth from an "Island" in the Atlantic.

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/a/atlantis-the-legendary-island.html

Atlantis: The Legendary Island

Even the US naval history site mentions Atlantis for obvious reasons. The reason being, the US Naval force, like Atlantis's naval power described by Plato is, without dispute, the  most powerful naval power in the world. The United States Navy is hands down the best and most powerful navy in the world. It eclipses all the other navies in the world by an almost comical margin. https://improb.com/best-military-navy-force/

You seemed to skip over alot of 'useless comments' especially the one which have proved you wrong countless times.

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51 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

Skipping over the useless comments, here is another coincidence to add to the list, for the prediction of a mighty naval power coming forth from an "Island" in the Atlantic.

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/a/atlantis-the-legendary-island.html

Atlantis: The Legendary Island

Even the US naval history site mentions Atlantis for obvious reasons. The reason being, the US Naval force, like Atlantis's naval power described by Plato is, without dispute, the  most powerful naval power in the world. The United States Navy is hands down the best and most powerful navy in the world. It eclipses all the other navies in the world by an almost comical margin. https://improb.com/best-military-navy-force/

I think using the name Atlantis in the context you have used it here is wrong. In place of a discussion on the legendary city you have input your religious beliefs. I have read the entire thread, however, your intent is very clear even to someone as dense as I may be. 

The amazing thing is that you don't or can't understand why forum members are picking your thread apart.

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Well I enjoyed going to Atlantis, you can even drink in the pool.:D

But that's not in the US so who's the Boss?

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Golden Duck
21 hours ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

You seemed to skip over alot of 'useless comments' especially the one which have proved you wrong countless times.

IF only there was some type of format where he could log all of his own comments, on a particular theme, on the web - a sort of a web log if you will.

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10 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

IF only there was some type of format where he could log all of his own comments, on a particular theme, on the web - a sort of a web log if you will.

Hi Golden Duck

Yeah, how bout we create a blog site so people can do that.:rolleyes:

jmccr8

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35 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Golden Duck

Yeah, how bout we create a blog site so people can do that.:rolleyes:

jmccr8

Wow "Blog" as a shortened form of Web Log.  That's got such a cool ring to it might just catch on.

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On 10/3/2019 at 12:02 PM, Pettytalk said:
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There is even an instance where it appears mysterious beings were looking to guide and help create a new religion in the new world.
Beginning in September 1823, an "angel" named Moroni, appeared to Joseph Smith in western New York. The main purpose of these visitations seems to have been to direct Smith to the “Golden Plates”, a sacred recording of Moroni’s era in time, which had been hidden by him thousands of years earlier at the end of a great war in antiquity. They had been guarded by his presence since.

Smith allegedly recovered these plates and began translating them – it is thought that what was written on them laid the basis for the Book Of Mormon, and the ideology of the Mormon religion itself, including their journey and eventual settlement in Utah. We have no way of knowing if the golden plates actually exist, however, as they were allegedly handed back to Moroni in 1838 after they had been translated – he still has them in his possession today.
Ancient astronaut theorists have contested that the “visitation” was not that of an angel, but that of an alien. He stated to Smith that he was one of the “former inhabitants” of America and was a “chronicler” of his people. He also claimed to be from the Pleiades star system, and Smith’s descriptions of him were that he was dressed in “brilliant white” and his skin also appeared to “shine” white and otherworldly.
If true, might this have been a possible counter-balance? Are these events meaningful, or just pure coincidence? Is it also coincidence that the Pleiades star system is mentioned, given that many other cultural legends across the world also speak of such beings who came from the same star system?

Since archaeology and genetics have long disproved this racist trash and the Pleiades are not even old enough to harbor planet. I would say this essay is worthless.

 

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On 9/20/2019 at 11:28 AM, Pettytalk said:

I'm going to present one or two facts at a time with each post on the facts, to allow a little time for the input from those who may want to express their opinions, pro or con. Probably a 24 hrs period will be sufficient, before moving on.

Here will start with fact number one, ...

Fact 1. There is a landmass west, and in front of the straight of Gibraltar which is greater than Asia and Libya combined. And by the term “greater than” this landmass is factually greater than to whatever was considered to be Asia and Libya in Plato's times.  (etc., etc.)

I can't speak for all the doubters, the unbelievers, the naysayers and those downright rude folk who just present reasoned answers backed up with logic and evidence - as if you're interested in a proper discussion!  All I can do is express my humblest admiration for your tenacity, your steadfastness, your indefatigability, your totally focused ability to ignore every argument put to you and blunder on tenaciously, leaping at random from point to disjointed point, copy&pasting lengthy blurb from whacksites that no one in their right mind would ever read, let alone believe.  Bravo maester!  You truly are the God of Gibberish!

Prior to your divine revelation I honestly believed that America was fiction - a place made up by such esteemed Matthews as Matthew Groening, Matthew Stone and Matthew 'Trey' Parker.  I always thought - how could such a wonderful place exist except in the noble authors' fertile imagination?  But your fact that it is REAL, and BIG, has opened my sceptical eyes to the marvels of the universe!  Are there even more countries out there awaiting verification?  Is Narnia real?  What about Australia - do people really ride on kangaroos and marry their sheep?  Is there honestly a place called 'Ireland'?  Please PLEASE! send us more of your wonderful facts!

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All comments are appreciated, insults and ridicule especially. Just keep it clean, and please try to avoid repetition. Because it's hard to keep laughing at the same old joke when one already knows the punchline.  

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Continuing with prophetic "coincidences" between Atlantis and its intended target, the USA and the Center of the "Island."

Plato's Critias:

And beginning from the sea they bored a canal of three hundred feet in width and one hundred feet in depth and fifty stadia in length, which they carried through to the outermost zone, making a passage from the sea up to this, which became a harbour, and leaving an opening sufficient to enable the largest vessels to find ingress. Moreover, they divided at the bridges the zones of land which parted the zones of sea, leaving room for a single trireme to pass out of one zone into another, and they covered over the channels so as to leave a way underneath for the ships; for the banks were raised considerably above the water....

10 Modern Marvels That Changed America

1. Erie Canal

The idea of a canal connecting the Atlantic to the interior was not entirely new.......

But the real engineering marvel of the Erie Canal was built to overcome another hurdle: a 565-foot elevation change between the Hudson River and Lake Erie. Crews built a system of 83 locks, which are akin to elevators for boats, to help control the water’s flow. The boat enters a chamber, which is either filled or drained, lifting or lowering the vessel before the gate on the other side opens and releases it......

https://interactive.wttw.com/ten/modern-marvels/erie-canal

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Sir Wearer of Hats
On 10/9/2019 at 2:37 AM, Tom1200 said:

?  What about Australia - do people really ride on kangaroos and marry their sheep? 

We don’t ride Kangaroos anymore, not since the Roos unionised. As for the sheep, it’s more a de-facto menagerie-a-trios situation.

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On ‎9‎/‎18‎/‎2019 at 4:15 AM, Pettytalk said:

Exploring Plato's writing to attempt to, plausibly, show the true Metaphysical content, and the ultimate scope for the story of Atlantis. This scope, in essence, is one of Divine prophecy, as I believe it to be. In particular, Plato, writing through the inspiration he received from his master, Socrates, who was himself directly, first-hand, Divinely inspired, embedded a revelation of specific future events. This Divine prophecy is meant to demonstrate and prove the existence of the one and only Father and Creator of all, as revealed in Plato's Timaeus dialogue.

I'm only aware of a couple of others who have gotten a whiff that Plato's Atlantis had something to do with prophetic revelation. However no one has really noticed just how and what it is really meant to show prophetically, that I'm aware of.

If anyone here is aware of any work that is out there, which tries to connect Plato's Atlantis with Divine prophecy, I would appreciate a reference to it, and also a link to the work, if it's on the internet.

For instance, this is one those that I'm aware of.

https://www.academia.edu/6336088/ATLANTIS_AS_THE_BEAST_IN_REVELATIONS

ATLANTIS: THE BEAST IN REVELATIONS.

There are many interpretations of the Book of Revelations, and about the “End of Days” which many say we are either now in or are entering. I am fairly well read on most of what has been written on this scripture. Yet no where have I ever read anything like my own personal interpretation of what it has to say and to predict. So I feel obligated to put it down on paper and publish this essay, so that it might be known to anyone who finds the time to read it on the web. With each translation of the text, the meaning changes slightly. Over time the words take on different meaning, especially when the original translation is hundreds of years old, (as in the King James Version). Language is constantly in flux. Here is how the translation has changed in the New American Standard Bible in just a few years: First, here is the latest translation with relative parts highlighted: Revelation 13 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

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gee get over  it Atlantis was not  a religious  theory :( if any it was

 

https://www.anomalist.com/features/tartessus.html

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Pettytalk
15 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

gee get over  it Atlantis was not  a religious  theory :( if any it was

 

https://www.anomalist.com/features/tartessus.html

You are somewhat correct on your belief, since Spain has a part in Atlantis. Still, I let my imagination take control of my soul and let it run, religiously, where she wills.

I may not be able to speak Attican Greek, but my Spanish takes me a bit further... to young Mexico, Spain's younger twin. Actually all the Spanish speaking nations in the Americas, together, represent Spain's younger twin.

At the first stage we are to conceptualize the 5 set of twins as representing the old and and the new world (the new being the then unknown fourth continent. Under this initial stage, and same concept, Portugal, France, the Netherlands, and England, along with Spain, represent the five elder of the 5 set of twin pairs, the sailing sea (Poseidon) powers of the Old World. And their colonies established in the New World (Americas) represent the younger 5 twin pairs. The Americas, a landmass larger than Asia and Libya combined.

Plato's Critias.

He himself, being a god, found no difficulty in
making special arrangements for the centre island, bringing up two springs of
water from beneath the earth, one of warm water and the other of cold, and
making every variety of food to spring up abundantly from the soil. He also
begat and brought up five pairs of twin male children; and dividing the island
of Atlantis into ten portions, he gave to the first-born of the eldest pair his
mother’s dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest and
best, and made him king over the rest; the others he made princes, and gave
them rule over many men, and a large territory. And he named them all; the
eldest, who was the first king, he named Atlas, and after him the whole island
and the ocean were called Atlantic. To his twin brother, who was born after
him, and obtained as his lot the extremity of the island towards the pillars of
Heracles, facing the country which is now called the region of Gades in that part
of the world, he gave the name which in the Hellenic language is Eumelus, in
the language of the country which is named after him, Gadeirus. Of the second
pair of twins he called one Ampheres, and the other Evaemon. To the elder of
the third pair of twins he gave the name Mneseus, and Autochthon to the one
who followed him. Of the fourth pair of twins he called the elder Elasippus,
and the younger Mestor. And of the fifth pair he gave to the elder the name of
Azaes, and to the younger that of Diaprepes. All these and their descendants
for many generations were the inhabitants and rulers of divers islands in the
open sea; and also, as has been already said, they held sway in our direction
over the country within the pillars as far as Egypt and Tyrrhenia.

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40 minutes ago, Pettytalk said:

I may not be able to speak Attican Greek, but my Spanish takes me a bit further... to young Mexico, Spain's younger twin. Actually all the Spanish speaking nations in the Americas, together, represent Spain's younger twin.

Most Latin Americans will argue that idea and many would get downright angry. Their culture is far more Native American than it is Spanish.  Many Mexicans actually pride themselves in that fact. 

It's like saying the U.S., Canada, New Zealand and Australia are twins of England because they all speak English.  

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On 10/4/2019 at 11:01 AM, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

@Pettytalk "Things have been named after Atlantis, so Atlantis must be real" is one of the weakest arguments I have seen.

There are plenty of things named Dragon, so dragons must be real too ?

Well duh! Have you seen the beautiful Welsh flag?

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1 hour ago, Pettytalk said:

You are somewhat correct on your belief, since Spain has a part in Atlantis. Still, I let my imagination take control of my soul and let it run, religiously, where she wills.

I may not be able to speak Attican Greek, but my Spanish takes me a bit further... to young Mexico, Spain's younger twin. Actually all the Spanish speaking nations in the Americas, together, represent Spain's younger twin.

At the first stage we are to conceptualize the 5 set of twins as representing the old and and the new world (the new being the then unknown fourth continent. Under this initial stage, and same concept, Portugal, France, the Netherlands, and England, along with Spain, represent the five elder of the 5 set of twin pairs, the sailing sea (Poseidon) powers of the Old World. And their colonies established in the New World (Americas) represent the younger 5 twin pairs. The Americas, a landmass larger than Asia and Libya combined.

Plato's Critias.

He himself, being a god, found no difficulty in
making special arrangements for the centre island, bringing up two springs of
water from beneath the earth, one of warm water and the other of cold, and
making every variety of food to spring up abundantly from the soil. He also
begat and brought up five pairs of twin male children; and dividing the island
of Atlantis into ten portions, he gave to the first-born of the eldest pair his
mother’s dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest and
best, and made him king over the rest; the others he made princes, and gave
them rule over many men, and a large territory. And he named them all; the
eldest, who was the first king, he named Atlas, and after him the whole island
and the ocean were called Atlantic. To his twin brother, who was born after
him, and obtained as his lot the extremity of the island towards the pillars of
Heracles, facing the country which is now called the region of Gades in that part
of the world, he gave the name which in the Hellenic language is Eumelus, in
the language of the country which is named after him, Gadeirus. Of the second
pair of twins he called one Ampheres, and the other Evaemon. To the elder of
the third pair of twins he gave the name Mneseus, and Autochthon to the one
who followed him. Of the fourth pair of twins he called the elder Elasippus,
and the younger Mestor. And of the fifth pair he gave to the elder the name of
Azaes, and to the younger that of Diaprepes. All these and their descendants
for many generations were the inhabitants and rulers of divers islands in the
open sea; and also, as has been already said, they held sway in our direction
over the country within the pillars as far as Egypt and Tyrrhenia.

You most certainly do use your imagination with atlantis! Otherwise you wouldn't believe in the story :tsu:

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21 minutes ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Well duh! Have you seen the beautiful Welsh flag?

Good point. :P

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