Trump’s Loose Lips with Ukraine

[ian hacktorp]

20 hours ago, Robotic Jew said:

ODS

Obama's Done Screwed

Yep...I was thinking the same thing.  There's hope for you yet, RJ

Edited September 21, 2019 by hacktorp

[ian hacktorp]

This time, it appears the Left and their MSM lapdogs only got about ten minutes of euphoria before their latest "we've got him this time" hoax completely collapsed.  Yet, the Ukraine-Biden-Clinton-Obama mess continues to simmer:

Trump Pounces On Biden-Ukraine Scandal As Whistleblower Story Flips On Dem

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And while Democrats' hopes of finally nailing Trump appear to be melting into their sea of Russiagate tears, Trump is now capitalizing on the turnabout, bigly.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-pounces-biden-ukraine-scandal-whistleblower-story-flips-dems

So, either the Left is so stupid as to run with a story that anyone (with a functioning brain) could see would go absolutely nowhere...

or,

Trump was behind this from the start in order to raise awareness of Biden's corruption.

Know what? It's probably both.

[Gromdor]

  I would imagine this behaviour would start a whole negative trend if not clipped in the butt.  Do we really want say Clinton using her pull to have China open criminal investigations into Ivanka's businesses in China to sway the election?  Trump already has a handicap in that aspect because of his "New York" honesty in his business dealings around the world.  Another reason why his taxes are a big deal.  There are already implications that he gave "cooked books" to secure loans with overseas banks and even commited tax fraud with false loans to lower his IRS bill: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-may-have-made-up-loan-tax-fraud-mother-jones-2019-9

  What is going to do if foreign countries start wanting to look at his taxes because of his claims and businesses there?

[Gromdor]

Just now, Gromdor said:

  I would imagine this behaviour would start a whole negative trend if not clipped in the butt.  Do we really want say Clinton using her pull to have China open criminal investigations into Ivanka's businesses in China to sway the election?  Trump already has a handicap in that aspect because of his "New York" honesty in his business dealings around the world.  Another reason why his taxes are a big deal.  There are already implications that he gave "cooked books" to secure loans with overseas banks and even commited tax fraud with false loans to lower his IRS bill: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-may-have-made-up-loan-tax-fraud-mother-jones-2019-9

  What are we going to do if foreign countries start wanting to look at his taxes because of his claims and businesses there?

 

[ian hacktorp]

21 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Do we really want say Clinton using her pull to have China open criminal investigations into Ivanka's businesses in China to sway the election?

Uhh...isn't that pretty much what happened with the entire Russiagate debacle?  Phony investigation using foreign intel to sway (or nullify) an election?

Meanwhile...

 

Edited September 21, 2019 by hacktorp

[+and-then]

18 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

I'm not aware of such a video. As for what the point might be, at minimum, it's important for all Americans to know that their President is (among other unsavoury things) a national security threat. 

I stumbled across it:

 

[Harte]

1 hour ago, hacktorp said:

 

 

18 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

I'm not aware of such a video.

Se the above vid starting at 1:23.

Harte

[acidhead]

 

[+OverSword]

On 9/19/2019 at 11:18 PM, DieChecker said:

Is this the same as the "whistleblower" news that is trending? 

If I read it right... An unknown someone heard Trump tell a unknown foreign leader, something that is unknown, but is described as a promise, that the unknown whistleblower thought shouldnt be promised. 

Lots of unknown here.

I tend to agree with those saying the President has wide ranging powers in what he discusses, and I'd not say making political promises is outside of that. "We will pledge to help you in this time of need..." is a promise, for example.

Here let me tell you what’s really going on in this case. The leaker is Trump. All presidents selectively leak things to turn the narrative a certain direction. All of them. The trump administration can’t investigate Biden’s son because it will look a bit corrupt as if he’s sabotaging JBs campaign, but if there is an anonymous leak which has the effect of drawing attention to the corruption involved getting him a high position at Ukraine’s largest oil producer then effectively trumps hands are clean and attention is drawn to the corruption. If our press was worthy of their privileged position as our neutral watch dogs keeping our government honest this story about Biden’s son would have been headline news when it occurred while the Obama administration was aiding the Ukraine against Russia literally leaving Russia little choice but to take possession of Crimea. But the press ignored that obvious palm greasing then and probably will now as well. 

[+Hammerclaw]

He plays them like puppets.

[Michelle]

Ukraine minister denies Trump put pressure on Zelenskiy during call: report

 Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko on Saturday denied suggestions U.S. President Donald Trump had put pressure on Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskiy during a phone call in July.

cont...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-ukraine/ukraine-minister-denies-trump-put-pressure-on-zelenskiy-during-call-report-idUSKBN1W60HU

[Farmer77]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

Here let me tell you what’s really going on in this case. The leaker is Trump. All presidents selectively leak things to turn the narrative a certain direction. All of them. The trump administration can’t investigate Biden’s son because it will look a bit corrupt as if he’s sabotaging JBs campaign, but if there is an anonymous leak which has the effect of drawing attention to the corruption involved getting him a high position at Ukraine’s largest oil producer then effectively trumps hands are clean and attention is drawn to the corruption. If our press was worthy of their privileged position as our neutral watch dogs keeping our government honest this story about Biden’s son would have been headline news when it occurred while the Obama administration was aiding the Ukraine against Russia literally leaving Russia little choice but to take possession of Crimea. But the press ignored that obvious palm greasing then and probably will now as well. 

So the intel community IG inspector is actively working for the Trump campaign? Damn man even if your scenario were true (doubtful) it would really just make things even worse

Intel Inspector General suggested whistleblower had concerns about multiple actions

 

[+DieChecker]

31 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Ukraine minister denies Trump put pressure on Zelenskiy during call: report

 Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko on Saturday denied suggestions U.S. President Donald Trump had put pressure on Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskiy during a phone call in July.

cont...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-ukraine/ukraine-minister-denies-trump-put-pressure-on-zelenskiy-during-call-report-idUSKBN1W60HU

Oh? So is this another, "Accuse Kavenaugh of sexual misconduct, but with no witnesses, no evidence, and only anger/hate to drive it."?? But with Trump being accused of "something", by "someone", with no actual evidence?

These stories are interesting, but how can people get so excited about something with zero evidence? Aside from because they WANT it to be true?

Sure someone leaked that the AG said the charge was strong, and real, but who the hell leaked that, and how does an anonymous leak really strengthen another anonymous leak?

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, DieChecker said:

Sure someone leaked that the AG said the charge was strong, and real, but who the hell leaked that, and how does an anonymous leak really strengthen another anonymous leak?

It wasnt a leak it was testimony under oath

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he intelligence community inspector general suggested to the House Intelligence Committee Thursday that the controversial whistleblower complaint, which is at the center of a dispute between the director of national intelligence and Congress, raised concerns about multiple actions but would not say if those instances involved President Donald Trump, sources familiar with the closed-door briefing told CNN.

 

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, acidhead said:

 

I am very surprised that DJT would want this story on peoples minds since apart from himself, he has three kids and a son in law cashing in on his presidency.

[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

So the intel community IG inspector is actively working for the Trump campaign? Damn man even if your scenario were true (doubtful) it would really just make things even worse

Intel Inspector General suggested whistleblower had concerns about multiple actions

 

Actually it would make things business as usual. Administrations have been using the anonymous leak to control the narrative forever. And of course everyone in government knows it and plays along knowing full well that their side does it too. It’s a bit like the abortion law scare used on the public during the Kavanaugh confirmation. Both sides are well aware that the Supreme Court is now powerless to overturn RvW due to precedent rules courts must follow but use it to make one side of the public afraid it will be overturned and the other hopeful that it will be and will not enlighten the people of the truth. It’s a tool of manipulation and so is the leak 

Edited September 21, 2019 by OverSword

[+Hammerclaw]

Sounds like Biden's son needs investigating, that Joe Biden used the office of Vice President to thwart such and investigation and that the President of the United States asked the pressured Party to assist in such an investigation. Neither illegal nor treasonous, especially since Joe Gaffer did, indeed commit the very "CRIME" they want to pin on Trump. Very unfortunate for Joe, but since when was a man and his family's malfeasance off limits during a Presidential run?

 

Edited September 21, 2019 by Hammerclaw

[Farmer77]

22 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Actually it would make things business as usual. Administrations have been using the anonymous leak to control the narrative forever. And of course everyone in government knows it and plays along knowing full well that their side does it too. It’s a bit like the abortion law scare used on the public during the Kavanaugh confirmation. Both sides are well aware that the Supreme Court is now powerless to overturn RvW due to precedent rules courts must follow but use it to make one side of the public afraid it will be overturned and the other hopeful that it will be and will not enlighten the people of the truth. It’s a tool of manipulation and so is the leak 

Thats all fine and well but it really seems to ignore the meat of the story. This isnt just a leak, its an actual complaint that the intelligence IG testified to the House was real and concerning. (and that the DOJ is hiding from congress)

So if this info coming out was nothing more than a ploy to get attention on Bidens kid the intelligence IG lied to congress in order to assist the Trump campaign. That would be huge.

IMO the only intentional leak was to the WSJ in their piece this AM.

Wait maybe im confused  .....are you admitting the shadiness happened and are just celebrating the "quantum chess"?

 

Edited September 21, 2019 by Farmer77

[+OverSword]

@Farmer77 who says the IG was in on it? Regardless the Ukrainian president said it’s bs I think, and if it’s who leaked? Without that or documentation proving it then it’s just hearsay. What we do know is that Biden did in effect pay taxpayers money to the Ukraine government to call off an investigation, right?

Edited September 22, 2019 by OverSword

[Unusual Tournament]

4 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Sounds like Biden's son needs investigating, that Joe Biden used the office of Vice President to thwart such and investigation and that the President of the United States asked the pressured Party to assist in such an investigation. Neither illegal nor treasonous, especially since Joe Gaffer did, indeed commit the very "CRIME" they want to pin on Trump. Very unfortunate for Joe, but since when was a man and his family's malfeasance off limits during a Presidential run?

I think you'll find that the only underhanded issue here is why did Trump stop 250 million in funding to the Ukrainian military pending an investigation on Biden's son? 

It seems Trump views Biden as a presidential threat and is desperate to find some dirt on him. Of course the fact Putin gets another favour at the expense of the democrats should be raising eyebrows regardless of which party you follow. 

[Unusual Tournament]

7 hours ago, Michelle said:

Ukraine minister denies Trump put pressure on Zelenskiy during call: report

 Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko on Saturday denied suggestions U.S. President Donald Trump had put pressure on Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskiy during a phone call in July.

cont...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-ukraine/ukraine-minister-denies-trump-put-pressure-on-zelenskiy-during-call-report-idUSKBN1W60HU

Then I'm sure Trump won't have a problem releasing the tapes. 

[Harte]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

@Farmer77 who says the IG was in on it? Regardless the Ukrainian president said it’s bs I think, and if it’s who leaked? Without that or documentation proving it then it’s just hearsay. What we do know is that Biden did in effect pay taxpayers money to the Ukraine government to call off an investigation, right?

He threatened to have it withheld.

Almost the same, but not quite.

Harte

[Harte]

11 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

I think you'll find that the only underhanded issue here is why did Trump stop 250 million in funding to the Ukrainian military pending an investigation on Biden's son? 

It seems Trump views Biden as a presidential threat and is desperate to find some dirt on him. Of course the fact Putin gets another favour at the expense of the democrats should be raising eyebrows regardless of which party you follow. 

The dirt is already there, no finding necessary. They aren't digging anything up. They're trying to ensure the Ukraine that they can continue the investigation that Biden had quashed without fear of any repercussions, now that Biden is out of power.

Harte

[Unusual Tournament]

20 minutes ago, Harte said:

The dirt is already there, no finding necessary. They aren't digging anything up. They're trying to ensure the Ukraine that they can continue the investigation that Biden had quashed without fear of any repercussions, now that Biden is out of power.

Harte

Trump is abusing his power as president. Using the country's foreign policy to improve his chances of re-election. This is dictatorial.  

Edited September 22, 2019 by Captain Risky

[Raptor Witness]

10 hours ago, and then said:

I stumbled across it:

 

I admit the comparison is glaring, but when you examine the nuts and bolts, and the apples and oranges, there is a big difference.

On the one hand you have a sitting President saying he wants someone to “falsely accuse someone else,” and the other, a sitting VP saying “don’t falsely accuse my son and others, or else.”

Can we compare the “bad” Ukrainian prosecutor to the “bad” Hunter Biden? It may take some work, but I’m sure someone can and will.