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Trump’s Loose Lips with Ukraine

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Tatetopa
1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

Part is Trump, and part is stubbornness due to Trump hate.

I will always think infrastructure could have avoided this mess.  Dems came to the White House ready to talk, Trump said you can't do that and investigate me too.  One or the other.

If Trump had gone ahead with infrastructure building, he would have been a hero to more than his solid base.  He could have taken the lions share of the credit for that.    If he had really made a plan to replace Obamacare he could have been a hero there too.  Those two things would have helped all average Americans a lot. 

Besides a lost chance for Trump and the Dems, it was a lost chance for the country.

andthen seems offended by resistance; he must have  forgotten McConnell's boast about making sure Obama got nothing done.   Now personally, I see a lesson there.  When a president like Obama or Trump is only a charismatic figure to his base and can't build a bridge and compromise with the other side, not much of the people's business gets done. 

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and then
7 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

When a president like Obama or Trump is only a charismatic figure to his base and can't build a bridge and compromise with the other side,

Care to cite an instance where Barry reached across the aisle?  He didn't.  He was fond of saying - "I won, remember?"  He never tried to get a budget approved, just threatened to shut it down if the spending he wanted wasn't agreed to.  Your analogy isn't just weak, it's actually a lie.

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Farmer77

Trump throws out completely bananas argument for ignoring impeachment — and basically acting like a king

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At base, there are so many bogus claims in this letter that it’s almost difficult to wrap one’s mind around. One problem is the White House seems to have literally zero grasp of what the Constitution even says about the impeachment process and the differing functions of the House and the Senate regarding removal of a president.

 

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Tatetopa
2 hours ago, and then said:

Care to cite an instance where Barry reached across the aisle?  He didn't.  He was fond of saying - "I won, remember?"  He never tried to get a budget approved, just threatened to shut it down if the spending he wanted wasn't agreed to.  Your analogy isn't just weak, it's actually a lie.

Andthen, that was EXACTLY my point!  Obama did not try compromise. You did not even read the sentence did you?  You were triggered by the mention of Obama and thought I was going to say something good about him.

 

2 hours ago, and then said:

When a president like Obama or Trump is only a charismatic figure to his base and can't build a bridge and compromise with the other side,

 When a president  of the United States for example Obama or Trump is only a charismatic figure to his base... that means Obama was only charismatic to  a subset of democrats and Trump is only charismatic to a subset of republicans  and neither one of them compromised with the other side.

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Farmer77

Graham plans to invite Giuliani to testify on Ukraine affair

 

A small part of me wonders if this is how Graham plans to get the GOP out from under Trump's thumb. Of course it looks like he's helping to investigate the Bidens by putting Rudy on the stand but damn he has to know the dude is unhinged and liable to say damn near anything when questioned , by either side.  

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Sir Wearer of Hats
6 hours ago, and then said:

I'm not sure how you define that term down under but when people spend most of their time with the Hollywood crowd and in the NY to DC corridor, yeah, that's far Left.  

They’re rich, white, media manipulative, truth manipulating close-minded, money-obsessed politician owners. 
that ain’t no left dance Chief.

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Farmer77

Ambassador to E.U. called Trump before texting 'no quid pro quo' to top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine

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Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland consulted directly with President Donald Trump before telling the top U.S. diplomat in Ukraine that there had been "no quid pro quo” regarding the administration's pressure campaign on the country and urging the diplomat to stop texting about his concerns, a person with knowledge of the call confirmed to NBC News.

Sondland spoke to Trump by phone on Sept. 9 before responding to acting Ambassador to Ukraine Bill Taylor's remark that it would be “crazy” to link Ukraine assistance to help with a political campaign, the person said. When Sondland responded several hours later, he told Taylor that Trump had been “crystal clear” that there had been no quid pro quo.

 

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Gwynbleidd
2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

They’re rich, white-privileged, media manipulative, truth manipulating close-minded, money-obsessed politician owners. 
that ain’t no left dance Chief.

I thought that was more apt, especially for these types! LOL

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joc
On 10/8/2019 at 4:28 AM, Black Red Devil said:

I doubt the Democrats are banking on the straight out trancelike bumbling disciples of their master Trump for votes, but hopefully some of the ones that voted for him in 2016 and have been thru the horrors to see what a deceitful, arrogant, cold blooded, crook he is after four years of constant scandals, will finally decide 'enough is enough of this embarrassing individual who doesn't represent us Americans' and will give him the flick for someone else. 

Not that I'm expecting you to understand anything that I've just mentioned above.  You'd have to get over your Trump withdrawal symptoms before you start rationalising in a normal state again LOL.

The Left....i.e. ...Tyranny...actually is the normal state...pretty much from the beginning of civilization.

Tyranny invented Socialism.  Freedom invented Capitalism.

The Left seeks to enslave. The Right wants people to be free.

One cannot be Pro Socialism and Pro Freedom at the same time. 

Trump is Pro Capitalism and therefore Pro Freedom.  That's why we love him. He is a Freedom Fighter.  

 

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Farmer77
39 minutes ago, joc said:

Tyranny invented Socialism.

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All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. . . . There were no needy persons among them.

Tyranny made them do it!!!!! :lol:

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joc

That's pretty close to idiotic Farmer.  How about staying on topic.  Sharing is not Socialism and you know it.  It's called freely giving to each other.  Socialism must TAKE...and it must TAKE from the producers and distribute to the non-producers...thereby enslaving the producers.  Grow up and put your little blble away for sunday school class.

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Robotic Jew
5 hours ago, joc said:

The Left....i.e. ...Tyranny...actually is the normal state...pretty much from the beginning of civilization.

Tyranny invented Socialism.  Freedom invented Capitalism.

The Left seeks to enslave. The Right wants people to be free.

One cannot be Pro Socialism and Pro Freedom at the same time. 

Trump is Pro Capitalism and therefore Pro Freedom.  That's why we love him. He is a Freedom Fighter.  

 

The world you're advocating and promoting here would see the actual enslavement or death of 99% of the population due the greed of the top 1%. Doesn't sound like freedom to me. 

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Buzz_Light_Year
13 minutes ago, Robotic Jew said:

The world you're advocating and promoting here would see the actual enslavement or death of 99% of the population due the greed of the top 1%. Doesn't sound like freedom to me. 

Oh but Socialism and Communism is so much better. :rolleyes:

There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism—by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.

Ayn Rand

 

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Robotic Jew
1 minute ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Oh but Socialism and Communism is so much better. :rolleyes:

There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism—by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.

Ayn Rand

 

I didn't say it was better. But there needs to be a happy medium between the 2.

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Buzz_Light_Year
1 minute ago, Robotic Jew said:

I didn't say it was better. But there needs to be a happy medium between the 2.

That does not exist except in the minds of the deluded.

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Hammerclaw
18 minutes ago, Robotic Jew said:

The world you're advocating and promoting here would see the actual enslavement or death of 99% of the population due the greed of the top 1%. Doesn't sound like freedom to me. 

The world he's referencing is descriptive of the United States, so--from a personal perspective--your casualty figures are far too high. Socialism is Communism you vote for--and all Communism is, is government monopoly of capitalism.

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Buzz_Light_Year
5 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Tyranny made them do it!!!!! :lol:

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For even when we were with you, this we commanded you: that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

 

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Robotic Jew
4 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

The world he's referencing is descriptive of the United States, so--from a personal perspective--your casualty figures are far too high. Socialism is Communism you vote for--and all Communism is, is government monopoly of capitalism.

No. It's not.

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Robotic Jew
6 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

That does not exist except in the minds of the deluded.

So you're for free reign capitalism then?

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Buzz_Light_Year
1 minute ago, Robotic Jew said:

So you're for free reign capitalism then?

No such thing as free reign capitalism in the modern world.

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Helen of Annoy
8 minutes ago, Robotic Jew said:

I didn't say it was better. But there needs to be a happy medium between the 2.

They don't hear you. I know you know, I just wanted to tell you that I know too :D 

They can't make their own conclusions, they have their gospel of greed to blindly parrot. 

Look at the bright side: those who are so afraid of socialism, are following a puppet controlled by KGB officer. It's so morbidly funny it's not even tragic anymore :D 

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Buzz_Light_Year
1 minute ago, Helen of Annoy said:

They don't hear you. I know you know, I just wanted to tell you that I know too :D 

They can't make their own conclusions, they have their gospel of greed to blindly parrot. 

Look at the bright side: those who are so afraid of socialism, are following a puppet controlled by KGB officer. It's so morbidly funny it's not even tragic anymore :D 

What is tragic is your post.

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Helen of Annoy
3 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

What is tragic is your post.

From your point of view it certainly is, since it points out how bizarrely stupid is the trap in which you fell. 

 

By the way, you're off topic. 

The topic is Trump extorting favours from Ukraine, with intention to gain personal advantage over his political competition. Sane Americans say that's against your Constitution. 

How can you live with that? 

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Earl.Of.Trumps
1 hour ago, Robotic Jew said:

The world you're advocating and promoting here would see the actual enslavement or death of 99% of the population due the greed of the top 1%. Doesn't sound like freedom to me. 

" the actual enslavement or death of 99% of the population  due the greed of the top 1%."

And y'all wonder why I use the phrase "lying liberal" often and freely?

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