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War in Iran is coming

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docyabut2

Also why we took Saddam Hussein down and his future atomic bombs, thinking  he was the one to  perish all mankind :(

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docyabut2

Iran would give the terrorists the bomb.   

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brian100

Yeah nothing good can arise from Iran and their ambitions.

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Earl.Of.Trumps

This could get interesting. It may cause Trump to rethink the impending invasion of Iran. Maybe.  Yahoo Link

 

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Iran Says It Will Hold Naval Drill With Russia, China ‘Soon’

(Bloomberg) -- Iran said it will stage a naval drill with Russia and China in international waters after the U.S. announced plans to send troops to the Middle East, according to Tasnim, a semi-official news agency.

 

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Pettytalk
1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

This could get interesting. It may cause Trump to rethink the impending invasion of Iran. Maybe.  Yahoo Link

 

 

Very interesting!

 

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Manwon Lender
10 hours ago, Sakari said:

People pumping chests out. All talk.

Iran knows it would not make it a week.

 

I totally agree, but that is only if Iran fights alone. Russia has already been making comments backing Iran. What happens if Irans allie Russia jumps in then how many weeks will it take?

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Only_
11 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I totally agree, but that is only if Iran fights alone. Russia has already been making comments backing Iran. What happens if Irans allie Russia jumps in then how many weeks will it take?

Good point. Russia and China won't stand idly by while the U.S install a puppet government in Iran.

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DarkHunter
16 minutes ago, crookedspiral said:

Good point. Russia and China won't stand idly by while the U.S install a puppet government in Iran.

What will China and Russia do, China still cant project any serious strength beyond its immediate borders and Russia's navy is barely floating and their airforce isnt in much better shape so are they going to invade eastern europe or start a nuclear war for the sake of a regional rival.

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Manwon Lender
7 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

What will China and Russia do, China still cant project any serious strength beyond its immediate borders and Russia's navy is barely floating and their airforce isnt in much better shape so are they going to invade eastern europe or start a nuclear war for the sake of a regional rival.

I agree with what your saying, but that doesn't stop them from sending weapons and soldiers. I think that if they openly come out on Irans side it could make other Nations think before attacking Iran.

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18 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I think that if they openly come out on Irans side it could make other Nations think before attacking Iran.

China recently invested $400 billion in Iran. That's a huge problem. Also, Russia and Iran have a close alliance not only for trade/investments but also strategic purposes in the region. Does anyone seriously think they are going to roll out the red carpet for a regime change?

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DarkHunter
4 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I agree with what your saying, but that doesn't stop them from sending weapons and soldiers. I think that if they openly come out on Irans side it could make other Nations think before attacking Iran.

Neither would send soldiers and if either sent weapons which would be unlikely neither would send high end weapons.

China just isnt capable of securing the naval lanes or the airspace required to send soldiers and the weapons and support equipment to supply them.  As for Russia a large part of their military is still conscript based with little to no training and their elite units, which are their only real define competent fighting force, are mostly bogged down in Ukraine and Syria already.

As for weapons China wont want to risk America getting their high end weapons to study and Russia cant risk their weapons being proven ineffective against American military equipment.

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Manwon Lender
37 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Neither would send soldiers and if either sent weapons which would be unlikely neither would send high end weapons.

China just isnt capable of securing the naval lanes or the airspace required to send soldiers and the weapons and support equipment to supply them.  As for Russia a large part of their military is still conscript based with little to no training and their elite units, which are their only real define competent fighting force, are mostly bogged down in Ukraine and Syria already.

As for weapons China wont want to risk America getting their high end weapons to study and Russia cant risk their weapons being proven ineffective against American military equipment.

I hope your right, but time will tell.

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Manwon Lender
44 minutes ago, crookedspiral said:

China recently invested $400 billion in Iran. That's a huge problem. Also, Russia and Iran have a close alliance not only for trade/investments but also strategic purposes in the region. Does anyone seriously think they are going to roll out the red carpet for a regime change?

Don't know what they will do, but I think we will find out soon.

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Manwon Lender
46 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Neither would send soldiers and if either sent weapons which would be unlikely neither would send high end weapons.

China just isnt capable of securing the naval lanes or the airspace required to send soldiers and the weapons and support equipment to supply them.  As for Russia a large part of their military is still conscript based with little to no training and their elite units, which are their only real define competent fighting force, are mostly bogged down in Ukraine and Syria already.

As for weapons China wont want to risk America getting their high end weapons to study and Russia cant risk their weapons being proven ineffective against American military equipment.

Then what do you think Iran is up too. Attacking oil refineries, boarding oil tankers and taking hostages. They are certainly showing no fear, so what do you think they have that gives them all this confidence?

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Tatetopa
26 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Neither would send soldiers and if either sent weapons which would be unlikely neither would send high end weapons.

China just isnt capable of securing the naval lanes or the airspace required to send soldiers and the weapons and support equipment to supply them.  As for Russia a large part of their military is still conscript based with little to no training and their elite units, which are their only real define competent fighting force, are mostly bogged down in Ukraine and Syria already.

As for weapons China wont want to risk America getting their high end weapons to study and Russia cant risk their weapons being proven ineffective against American military equipment.

So who would want to fight the United States in a military conflict if they didn't have to do it?   Probably not China  or Russia.   What was it Sun Tzu said, something like . "Do not attack the enemy where he is strong, attack him where he is weak."

Think of all of the products China could trade to Iran for oil, it might help both their economies.  Plus a little military spending might help China deal with some of the trade war slow down to their economy.  China can build up forces in the South China Sea, far away from Middle East risk and still force the US to respond.  We can do it, but it will be costly. 

How much in arms sells from Russia and Saudi Arabia?  A  bunch.  They could offer some sweet deals and maybe influence the Saudis to  cool the US down a bit. Who is a main competitor in arms sales, the US of course.  Anything they pick up, we lose.  And who is very reliable for turning their backs and not making a stink over human rights violations? China and Russia.  They make for easy trading partners in that respect.

Trade negotiations are not moving quickly between the US and China and they could slow them down even further.  Farmers are not too happy right now..  In the key states he won, I recall it being only about 100,000 votes that won him those electoral vote.s  His staff must be thinking about that.    China might have a suggestion to offer  on how we proceed in Iran.

Was it 2015-2016 that Russia got embedded like a tick in the US intelligence computer network?  Certainly China and Russia have not been idle since then.  Andthen is right Iran may have sleeper cells already in the US, but China and Russia certainly have their own code planted in vital places, as do we of course.  Both of them will be heavily involved in the 2020 election.  Life might get a lot more pleasant for the current President if he talks before shooting.

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DarkHunter
25 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Then what do you think Iran is up too. Attacking oil refineries, boarding oil tankers and taking hostages. They are certainly showing no fear, so what do you think they have that gives them all this confidence?

They have no other choice, their pension system is on the verge of collapse, they have had extensive flooding in parts of Iran that the government has largely ignored relief efforts to instead focus on military matters, their economy is projected to shrink between 3% and 6% this year, inflation is probably going to hit 40% soon, and the hard cash they been using to subsidize medicine and food to keep the price low and affordable is almost completely gone.  

If they do nothing there is a very high chance of the regime collapsing entirely relatively soon, if they provoke a conflict the leadership can rally the population behind themselves and blame all the problems on foreigners.  

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Manwon Lender
28 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

They have no other choice, their pension system is on the verge of collapse, they have had extensive flooding in parts of Iran that the government has largely ignored relief efforts to instead focus on military matters, their economy is projected to shrink between 3% and 6% this year, inflation is probably going to hit 40% soon, and the hard cash they been using to subsidize medicine and food to keep the price low and affordable is almost completely gone.  

If they do nothing there is a very high chance of the regime collapsing entirely relatively soon, if they provoke a conflict the leadership can rally the population behind themselves and blame all the problems on foreigners.  

Very good reply, makes sense to me, but anyway go's it going to be a mess.

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Mr.United_Nations

And Code Pink supports Iran, ignoring Irans treatment of women 

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godnodog

Taking in consideration of all actors involved, I support none.

BUT I do ask is why the US is backing SA, f* SA, 9/11 has been forgoten already? OH right oooooiiiiiiillll.

SA is not an ally of the West, they dont support basic human values, neither does Iran.

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godnodog

Also it smells like the Iraq BS all over again.

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Setton
On 9/21/2019 at 3:39 PM, and then said:

I truly hope that Trump can hold the line and force them to strike first.  

 

On 9/21/2019 at 5:33 PM, and then said:

 Christians who are working toward walking in Christ's steps 

One would think a Christian would hope the conflict deescalates without violence... 

But obviously, you're so much more civilised than those Muslim barbarians who want a war. Hang on, have they said they'd be OK with killing civilians to bring about a war? 

Do you know, I don't think they have! 

So what the hell are you

On 9/21/2019 at 6:22 PM, brian100 said:

USA is roping a dope.. its where you do nothing while being attacked. You let em hit you--- until they see the knockout coming. Then go all in! B/c they used up all the stamina.

It's Iran that has been being hit for months and not retaliated. They either don't want a war and are trying to deescalate in the face of US/Israeli aggression or they have a hell of an ace up their sleeve. 

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Setton
22 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

Also why we took Saddam Hussein down and his future atomic bombs, thinking  he was the one to  perish all mankind :(

We overthrew Saddam because some American warmonger decided the complete lack of evidence of WMDs was conclusive proof that he must have them. 

Deja vu, anyone? 

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docyabut2
On ‎9‎/‎22‎/‎2019 at 4:43 PM, Setton said:

We overthrew Saddam because some American warmonger decided the complete lack of evidence of WMDs was conclusive proof that he must have them. 

Deja vu, anyone? 

Saddam did have the start of a making a atomic bomb, Isreal did bomb a nuclear plant in Iraq

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

but when we told Sadaam we were coming in to prevent WMDs there were trucks loads of their chemicals taken out of Iraq.

 

The reason for stopping a atomic bomb war . The world does not want a radial Islamic  country have it. Did you know that years ago  North Korea sold or gave Iran long term missiles. If Iran make a atomic bomb they could hit any further countries. All other countries with the atomic bombs know there would be no winners in a nuke war,  You see the reasoning for stopping a radial Islamic  suicidal bomber behind a atomic bomb, they think  that no matter what chaos happens Islam will rule the world.

I guess what  comes down to it US, China and Russia has so many atomic bombs and realize there would be no winners in atomic bomb war  why we all have a cold war ,but  I do worry about why so many may believe in Jesus`s prophecy that Israel will be destroyed  and all mankind "(   and why we are trying to stop NK to:(        

       

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docyabut2

gee all nobody want to start a war with Iran and killing anyone but stopped them  from creating a  atomic bomb by them,  a deal .   

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