+and-then Posted September 26, 2019 #176 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Captain Risky said: Im not insulting. Im just flabbergasted that you and others think that nothing wrong occurred. Has it occurred to you that the effect of years of hysteria over half-truths and outright lies by the the left and their media curs might have created a group of his supporters willing to stand with him no matter what? You obviously don't understand Impeachment or you wouldn't be so sanguine about this bump in the road. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 26, 2019 #177 Share Posted September 26, 2019 41 minutes ago, Davros of Skaro said: Did he hold it back? He says he didn't. "As far as withholding funds, those funds were paid. They were fully paid. But my complaint has always been — and I’d withhold again, and I’ll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine. Because they’re not doing it. Just the United States. We’re putting up the bulk of the money. And I’m asking why is that. And I want Europe — and it’s always been this, and everybody know it. Every single reporter knows it. Everybody in the administration knows that what I want, and I insist on it, is that Europe has to put up money for Ukraine also. Why is it only the United States putting up the money? And I — and, by the way, we paid that money. But I always ask: Why aren’t other countries — in Europe, especially — putting up money for Ukraine?" https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-upon-arriving-u-n-general-assembly-new-york-ny/ Trump gets a "Mostly false" by Politifact on the "US vs EU" aid quote. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/sep/25/donald-trump/donald-trump-said-european-nations-have-not-put-mo/ Are you pro-corruption when it comes to the DNC? Yokels, and much more for that 2020 win. HA! He clearly says he wants Europe to put up money. I was responding to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted September 26, 2019 #178 Share Posted September 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: Noni don't, because it was years ago. And what even happened? His son was on a board of directors for an oil company. Ukraine and the US wanted a corrupt prosecutor removed who was actively working in against US. None of it relates and none in talking about it. Its dumb and has nothing to do with anything. Quote “From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” former Ukrainian prosecutor general Yuri Lutsenko told The Washington Post in his first interview since the disclosure of a whistleblower complaint alleging pressure by President Trump on Ukraine’s president, Volodymr Zelensky. -------------- “Hunter Biden cannot be responsible for violations of the management of Burisma that took place two years before his arrival,” Lutsenko said. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-hunter-biden-did-not-violate-anything/2019/09/26/48801f66-e068-11e9-be7f-4cc85017c36f_story.html Quote But there is no equivalency here: We fact-checked these allegations in May and found they did not add up. In fact, Biden’s case has gotten stronger with time. Trump has claimed that Biden in 2015 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating a Ukrainian gas producer, Burisma Holdings, that had added Biden’s son Hunter to its board. But it turns out that the investigation had already been shelved when Biden acted and may have even involved a side company, not Burisma. The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms. Moreover, Yuri Lutsenko, a former Ukrainian prosecutor general who succeeded the fired prosecutor, told Bloomberg News that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/23/fact-checking-trumps-latest-claims-biden-ukraine/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/25/trumps-pinocchio-laden-claims-about-joe-biden-ukraine-polls/ The conspiracy theory has been completely debunked, yet his supporters have latched onto it as Gospel and are even, unsurprisingly, using it as an excuse for Trump soliciting the help of a foreign government to win an election. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted September 26, 2019 #179 Share Posted September 26, 2019 24 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said: How long does the impeachment process take? Will Trump even be in Office by the time discovery, investigation, etc is over? Like any other indictment process, it will take a s long as necessary to formally create charges (Articles). The Articles are then submitted to the Senate for a trial and the Chief Justice of the USSC presides over the trial. Since we are about 13 months from the election, I'd say they would stretch it out for as long as possible. If Durham and Barr actually bring indictments for crimes committed under Obama's administration against Trump's campaign and afterwards it will provide noise to cause people to ignore it all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted September 26, 2019 #180 Share Posted September 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, and then said: Has it occurred to you that the effect of years of hysteria over half-truths and outright lies by the the left and their media curs might have created a group of his supporters willing to stand with him no matter what? You obviously don't understand Impeachment or you wouldn't be so sanguine about this bump in the road. The bump in the road you’re referring to is Trumps political corpse. and it looks like they’ll be reversing back over it for good measure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted September 26, 2019 #181 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-hunter-biden-did-not-violate-anything/2019/09/26/48801f66-e068-11e9-be7f-4cc85017c36f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/23/fact-checking-trumps-latest-claims-biden-ukraine/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/25/trumps-pinocchio-laden-claims-about-joe-biden-ukraine-polls/ The conspiracy theory has been completely debunked, yet his supporters have latched onto it as Gospel and are even, unsurprisingly, using it as an excuse for Trump soliciting the help of a foreign government to win an election. I'm afraid I am loath to trust any editorial article by the Washington Post. And - for that matter - not much of its "factual" (e.g. "for-the-record") reporting. Edited September 26, 2019 by RoofGardener 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted September 26, 2019 #182 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Captain Risky said: The bump in the road you’re referring to is Trumps political corpse. and it looks like they’ll be reversing back over it for good measure. Did I mention... SEVENTEEN SENATORS? Edited September 26, 2019 by and then 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted September 26, 2019 #183 Share Posted September 26, 2019 When Pelosi took a vote to begin an "official impeachment inquiry" (a meaningless title with zero precedent), she broke with protocol and refused to record the names of the legislators who voted in favor. Why would she do this? Because she knows what an absurdly risky gamble all of this is, with an enormous potential for political backlash against House members who will be up for re-election in 2020. So she hid their names to protect them. Not exactly a proud moment for the Dems! 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted September 26, 2019 #184 Share Posted September 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: I'm afraid I am loath to trust any editorial article by the Washington Post. And - for that matter - not much of its "factual" (e.g. "for-the-record") reporting. My thoughts exactly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted September 26, 2019 #185 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, RoofGardener said: I'm afraid I am loath to trust any editorial article by the Washington Post. And - for that matter - not much of its "factual" (e.g. "for-the-record") reporting. Its factual reporting is extremely high. It has a left bias on opinion pieces, but its factual reporting cannot be faulted. Regardless, you can find the same elsewhere. The Biden corruption claim has no substance. Edited September 26, 2019 by ExpandMyMind 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted September 26, 2019 #186 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Pelosi: DNI 'broke the law' in withholding whistleblower complaint Quote Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Thursday went after President Trump's head of national intelligence, saying the acting Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Joseph Maguire "broke the law" in withholding a whistleblower complaint from Congress. "What the DNI did was broke the law. The law is very clear: The DNI 'shall' convey the complaint to the Intelligence committees — not the whole Congress — to the Intelligence committees," Pelosi said during a press briefing in the Capitol. Pelosi, who was a member of the House Intelligence Committee in 2004 when the DNI position was created, said the law was "carefully balanced to protect our intelligence and to protect the whistleblower." "So he has to convey it," she said. --------------- Testifying before the committee, Maguire defended his decision to withhold the whistleblower report, saying he consulted with Department of Justice (DOJ) officials, who determined the White House had the authority to block the release by invoking executive privilege. "Authority I do not have the privilege to waive," Maguire said. Pelosi rejected that claim, questioning why Maguire would consult with the DOJ since Attorney General William Barr has been wrapped up in the Ukraine saga. Trump, according to a readout of the call, had suggested Zelensky consult with Barr in investigating the Bidens. "The very idea that the subject of the complaint is who he went to to find out if it was OK to go forward, I think, is wrong," Pelosi said. "I don't think it's nefarious, I just think it's wrong, and it's against the law." https://thehill.com/homenews/house/463211-pelosi-dni-broke-the-law-in-withholding-whistleblower-complaint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted September 26, 2019 #187 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said: Pelosi: DNI 'broke the law' in withholding whistleblower complaint https://thehill.com/homenews/house/463211-pelosi-dni-broke-the-law-in-withholding-whistleblower-complaint Hmm.. most interesting.. thanks for that @ExpandMyMind. I've got one question though. Nancy Pelosi stated that it was "the law" that DNI did not pass on the whistleblower complaint immediately to congress. Is this REALLY a law ? Or just a departmental procedural rule ? If it IS a law, then WHICH law ? Edited September 26, 2019 by RoofGardener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted September 26, 2019 #188 Share Posted September 26, 2019 35 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said: But it turns out that the investigation had already been shelved when Biden acted and may have even involved a side company, not Burisma. So they don't know this fact but the rest is pure fact? WaPo. You really needn't say more. Oh and I love this part 36 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said: Moreover, Yuri Lutsenko, a former Ukrainian prosecutor general who succeeded the fired prosecutor, told Bloomberg News that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden. No Kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted September 26, 2019 #189 Share Posted September 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said: Its factual reporting is extremely high. It had a left bias on opinion pieces, but its factual reporting cannot be faulted. Regardless, you can find the same elsewhere. The Biden corruption claim has no substance. Just like Fox News eh? Great. That clears that up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted September 26, 2019 #190 Share Posted September 26, 2019 44 minutes ago, OverSword said: That prosecutor was in fact investigating corruption of the natural gas company that Hunter Biden was working for. So Biden had him fired because he was soft on corruption? Seems worth looking into. If they do I'm sure that fired prosecutor will fall down an elevator shaft and land on a bunch of bullets The Obama admin supported an investigation into corruption, including into the gas company. Big nothing Biden got no one fired. That is pure fantasy. And to hear the Ukrainians involved in the corruption investigation, the prosecutor was the biggest obstacle because of his corruption. And the whole thing was looked into. Publicly. 5 ****ing years ago. So, as always, President Tiny Hands makes some **** up and you all buy into every single lie. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted September 26, 2019 #191 Share Posted September 26, 2019 45 minutes ago, and then said: Has it occurred to you that the effect of years of hysteria over half-truths and outright lies by the the left and their media curs might have created a group of his supporters willing to stand with him no matter what? You obviously don't understand Impeachment or you wouldn't be so sanguine about this bump in the road. That's ****ing disgraceful and pathetic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted September 26, 2019 #192 Share Posted September 26, 2019 42 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-hunter-biden-did-not-violate-anything/2019/09/26/48801f66-e068-11e9-be7f-4cc85017c36f_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/23/fact-checking-trumps-latest-claims-biden-ukraine/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/25/trumps-pinocchio-laden-claims-about-joe-biden-ukraine-polls/ The conspiracy theory has been completely debunked, yet his supporters have latched onto it as Gospel and are even, unsurprisingly, using it as an excuse for Trump soliciting the help of a foreign government to win an election. It doesn't matter. These hicks will stand by their loser-in-chief until the end. He could come out and admit to everything and they would still deny deny deny 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted September 26, 2019 #193 Share Posted September 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: Biden got no one fired. That is pure fantasy. So Biden is lying about that? Watch the video earlier in this thread it's straight out of the horses ass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted September 26, 2019 #194 Share Posted September 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: The Obama admin supported an investigation into corruption, including into the gas company. Big nothing Biden got no one fired. That is pure fantasy. And to hear the Ukrainians involved in the corruption investigation, the prosecutor was the biggest obstacle because of his corruption. Umm.. in his video'd speech, he claims that he DID get the prosecutor fired ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted September 26, 2019 #195 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Tatetopa said: Yeah, maybe he still reads John Locke and Jefferson's quotes about Locke and believes the founding fathers thoughts still are relevant in America today. I never thought of you as a wannabe American. Both of you need to read up on the politics of then men behind those cherry picked quotes. Myself, I'm not into building shrines and temples to politicians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted September 26, 2019 #196 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, RoofGardener said: Umm.. in his video'd speech, he claims that he DID get the prosecutor fired ? He did indeed say that. I was wrong. However, still nothing to do with is son 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted September 26, 2019 #197 Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: It doesn't matter. These hicks will stand by their loser-in-chief until the end. He could come out and admit to everything and they would still deny deny deny Not me. I'm no trump supporter I'm hoping Yang gets the nomination as I truly believe he's the only one that would beat trump. Any unbiased fool knows that WaPo is a propaganda rag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted September 26, 2019 #198 Share Posted September 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: Umm.. in his video'd speech, he claims that he DID get the prosecutor fired ? And withheld a $1billion in aid until they did it too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted September 26, 2019 #199 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: He did indeed say that. I was wrong. However, still nothing to do with is son Yes it does. It ensured his son made $50k a month from his role on the board of directors of that company. This all going on after we (Obama admin) funded and otherwise supported the overthrow of the previous Ukrainian government and replaced it with our own little puppets. Nothing to see here. Move along. Edited September 26, 2019 by OverSword 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted September 26, 2019 #200 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: Biden got no one fired. Imaginarynumber1: "Biden got no one fired." Biden (on camera): "I said, "you've got six hours to fire him, or you're not getting the money"...and, sonofab!tch, he got fired." Care to explain? eta: I see you've admitted your error. Care to explain why it would even matter whether it involved Hunter or not? Extortion is extortion, after all. Edited September 26, 2019 by hacktorp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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