Houthi rebels claim mass capture of Saudis

[The Caspian Hare 5,710]

https://www.rt.com/news/469837-yemen-houthi-najran-saudis-captured/
 

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Houthis have launched a major operation against Saudi forces near the kingdom’s southern region of Najran, capturing or killing a significant number of troops, their spokesman said. Riyadh has yet to confirm or deny the claim.

In a televised address on Saturday, the group’s spokesman said they'd inflicted heavy losses on the Saudi forces, capturing several high-ranking officers and a large cache of weaponry, including armored vehicles. He also claimed several hundreds of Saudi troops, including some high-ranking officers, have been killed or taken prisoner by the Houthis.

So far, no confirmation – or denial – of the major attack has been produced by Saudi Arabia.

The alleged casualties were inflicted on the Saudis during an operation dubbed ‘Victory from Allah,’ which was launched two days ago, the Houthis claimed. They added that three “enemy military brigades had fallen” in the attack that was conducted with the support of missile, drone and anti-aircraft units belonging to the group.

 

 

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Supposedly they captured thousands and many killed according to the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49866677

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Baghdadi Bob is on the Houthi`s payroll now?

[Black Red Devil 4,061]

Well this has gone too far now!  Wait til Pompeo get's a hold of this. It's time to nuke Tehran...

[DarkHunter 2,618]

Nothing has yet been confirmed, just accounts from the Houthis themselves but the Houthis are saying they are going to parade the captured soldiers tomorrow on TV.

While I havent seen any of these alleged news articles but there is talk online that local papers/news agencies are apparently saying that 3 brigades made up of yemeni soldiers under Saudi command surrendered to the Houthis after their commander had been having secret negotiations with the Houthis for weeks about surrendering.

But that is all just rumor currently 

[The Caspian Hare 5,710]

 

Worse picture quality than a Bigfoot photo

 

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It raises an interesting question.  What happens if the Saudis are actually about to lose that conflict and the Shia forces (Iran) overtake S.A.?

[Piney 70,867]

1 hour ago, and then said:

It raises an interesting question.  What happens if the Saudis are actually about to lose that conflict and the Shia forces (Iran) overtake S.A.?

Oh dear, oh my! 

SA needs to go. They are barbarians compared to Iranians and back far more terrorists. 

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25 minutes ago, Piney said:

Oh dear, oh my! 

SA needs to go. They are barbarians compared to Iranians and back far more terrorists. 

Both execute roughly the same amount of people for similar crimes, as for backing terrorist there is a difference between wealthy individuals within the state and the state itself backing the terrorist even then Iran backs a lot of different terror groups across the world.

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1 hour ago, The Caspian Hare said:

 

Worse picture quality than a Bigfoot photo

 

I was waiting for the moment the camera got hit by a splash of paint.

[Black Red Devil 4,061]

1 hour ago, and then said:

It raises an interesting question.  What happens if the Saudis are actually about to lose that conflict and the Shia forces (Iran) overtake S.A.?

 

[DarkHunter 2,618]

New information is starting to come out slowly and it seems to suggest that the Houthis are lieing.

A video that claims to show armored vehicles captured by the Houthis is starting to be circulated but the video is from a military operation a month ago where Houthis surrounded a brigade of Yemen soldiers.  The brigade did get rescued and in the resulting battle the Houthi leader in charge of the front was killed.  

Saudi Arabia still hasnt said anything but losing 3 brigades would be hard to hide for very long, let alone a 72 hour long battle that involved thousands of troops. 

Getting mixed information on if the battle lasted 72 hours or happened 72 hours ago.

Edited September 29, 2019 by DarkHunter

[Black Red Devil 4,061]

23 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Both execute roughly the same amount of people for similar crimes, as for backing terrorist there is a difference between wealthy individuals within the state and the state itself backing the terrorist even then Iran backs a lot of different terror groups across the world.

The 4 worse terrorist groups in the world are ISIS, Taliban, Al-Shabaab and Boko Haram.  ISIS was funded by SA, Boko Haram is aligned to ISIS, Al-Shabaab is aligned to Al Queda who ISIS branched off from and finally the Taliban who are Sunni and friendly to Pakistan (although they never tell us that), an ally of the US and SA. link

Yep, definitely Iran is the cradle of world terrorism.  LOL, are you trying to convince yourself or do you really believe people reading your claims are so stupid?

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25 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said:

The 4 worse terrorist groups in the world are ISIS, Taliban, Al-Shabaab and Boko Haram.  ISIS was funded by SA, Boko Haram is aligned to ISIS, Al-Shabaab is aligned to Al Queda who ISIS branched off from and finally the Taliban who are Sunni and friendly to Pakistan (although they never tell us that), an ally of the US and SA. link

Yep, definitely Iran is the cradle of world terrorism.  LOL, are you trying to convince yourself or do you really believe people reading your claims are so stupid?

Rather subjective list of worst terror groups there, seems you just picked the biggest or most popular Sunni terror groups that you could.

ISIS came about from Maliki, a Shia who has held a long grudge against the Sunnis, purging all Sunnis from military leadership and the civilian government which essentially caused the Sunnis to revolt.

Taliban is not some monolithic grouping and certain factions/leaders have the backing and support of Iran.

I like how Boko Harem and Al-Shabaab make the worst list by alliance, rather weak reasoning there but I guess anything will do as long as it helps your argument.

As for Iran some of the terror groups they have backed, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Popular Front for the liberation of Palestine, Japanese Red Army, the Armenian secret army, Kurdistan workers party, Islamic Dawa party (now they are a legitimate political party in Iraq but started as a terror group), Islamic Front for the liberation of Bahrain, and certain factions/leaders within the Taliban (that was after America invaded Afghanistan).  There are many more but that gives an idea of what Iran likes to support terror wise.

Also want to point out again there is a vast difference between individuals in a state funding a terror group, like Saudi Arabia and honestly most nations in the world, and a state that funds terror groups as official government policy, like Iran.

Edited September 29, 2019 by DarkHunter

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Man oh man, if the rest of the world had just put up a few more windmills and solar cells, we could tell them both to go pound sand.  It is not like this is a new problem, it has been going on for years.  And what funds terrorism?  Oil.  I am not totally serious, but not joking either.  These countries are important and rich because we depend on their oil.  Iran had a culture, Saudi Arabia was just a sand filled kingdom of herders with a crazy prophet up until a hundred years ago.

[Piney 70,867]

10 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

 Japanese Red Army,

They are extinct and their leader is dying from cancer in prison and Kunio Bando will be dealt with eventually if he's not dead already. 

[DarkHunter 2,618]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

They are extinct and their leader is dying from cancer in prison and Kunio Bando will be dealt with eventually if he's not dead already. 

The point is Iran supported and backed them when they were a threat, not on what their current state of being is.

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1 minute ago, DarkHunter said:

The point is Iran supported and backed them when they were a threat, not on what their current state of being is.

Do you have a source for this? 

[Piney 70,867]

6 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

The point is Iran supported and backed them when they were a threat, not on what their current state of being is.

I don't see Iran in the mix.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/日本赤軍

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5 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Rather subjective list of worst terror groups there, seems you just picked the biggest or most popular Sunni terror groups that you could.

ISIS came about from Maliki, a Shia who has held a long grudge against the Sunnis, purging all Sunnis from military leadership and the civilian government which essentially caused the Sunnis to revolt.

Taliban is not some monolithic grouping and certain factions/leaders have the backing and support of Iran.

I like how Boko Harem and Al-Shabaab make the worst list by alliance, rather weak reasoning there but I guess anything will do as long as it helps your argument.

As for Iran some of the terror groups they have backed, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Popular Front for the liberation of Palestine, Japanese Red Army, the Armenian secret army, Kurdistan workers party, Islamic Dawa party (now they are a legitimate political party in Iraq but started as a terror group), Islamic Front for the liberation of Bahrain, and certain factions/leaders within the Taliban (that was after America invaded Afghanistan).  There are many more but that gives an idea of what Iran likes to support terror wise.

 

I didn't pick anything, Forbes did as per my link.  ISIS is a Sunni group funded by SA. Harem and Al-Shabaab aligned to ISIS and Al Queda.  Al Queda was created by a Saudi and Sunni.  They've caused hundreds of terrorist attacks in the ME and abroad.  Now, apart from attacks on Israel because of their illegal occupation of Palestine, which doesn't equate as terrorism but more like resistance, can you provide me with a list of the terrorist attacks the groups you listed have caused to other countries in the ME and the West.  Just something similar to the Saudi funded groups and friends of the US such as 9/11, Boko Harem massacres in West Africa and ISIS in Syria, Iraq and cells of ISIS in Europe.

16 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Also want to point out again there is a vast difference between individuals in a state funding a terror group, like Saudi Arabia and honestly most nations in the world, and a state that funds terror groups as official government policy, like Iran.

That's just laughable rationale buddy.  A dictatorship who's 'Royal family' controls most financial possessions and riches in their country and surrounding Gulf partners, which mostly consist of oil transactions, are completely oblivious to the actions of groups of individual private millionaires and who they fund.  Sure 

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15 minutes ago, Piney said:

Do you have a source for this? 

I dont have a lot of time, got to get up really early tomorrow morning, so not the most in depth research.

"The Office of Liberation Movements established a Gulf Section tasked with forming a Gulf Battalion as part of the Jerusalem Forces. In April 1995 a number of international organizations linked to international terrorism -- including the Japanese Red Army, the Armenian Secret Army, and the Kurdistan Workers' Party -- were reported to have met in Beirut with representatives of the Iraqi Da'wah Party, the Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain, Hizballah, Iran's "Office of Liberation Movements," and Iran's Guardians of the Revolution. Tehran's objective was to destabilize Arab Gulf states by supporting fundamentalists with military, financial, and logistical support."

https://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/iran/qods.htm

Also googling Japanese Red Army ties to the PLO tends to bring up a lot.

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Two attacks... and Saudi Arabi is eerily quiet. Strange.

[The Caspian Hare 5,710]

Don't know if this is reliable but it's funny

https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/status/1178291523269607424/photo/1

"Yemeni defense minister drives a captured saudi military vehicle while touring newly liberated areas"

 

 

[Earl.Of.Trumps 5,455]

I don't get it, @The Caspian Hare.  How can the Yemeni Defense Minister be driving a Saudi vehicle that was captured by the Houthi?

[DarkHunter 2,618]

The Houthis released pictures and videos of the claimed captured soldiers

https://mobile.twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1178300001480511491

That twitter thread has a lot of the pics and videos released by the Houthis.  The Houthis are claiming approximately 500 dead and 2,000 captured which does not really fit with their earlier claim of 3 brigades.  Brigades tend to be between 1,500 and 4,000 soldiers in size on average.

From a quick look at everything, and it's a very quick look, the Houthi claim seems to be rather questionable.  Seems that only a dozen or so vehicles were captured/destroyed and they were all troop transports or lightly armored vehicles.  As for troops the overwhelming majority are not wearing military uniforms so they seem to mostly be a mix of Yemeni militia and/or mercenaries, which explains the lack of comment from Saudi Arabia as they seem to not be Saudi troops.  Also the numbers captured seem to be in the hundreds and not thousands.  

This is assuming the released pictures and videos are accurate, the Houthis have captured a decently large amount of Yemeni militia and mercenaries from ambush attacks over the past 5 years so whether the troops pictured are from the recent attack or pass engagements is debatable.

Edited September 29, 2019 by DarkHunter