Discussing the mysteries of the ancient world

[Jarocal]

6 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

Completely agree this move on to something other than Atlantis

Why a moratorium? Dont wish to discuss Atlantis simply dont participate in the thread.

[docyabut2]

 the small island of Gadir of which Plato said it is now called Gades

[Hanslune]

Gee the same image you've shown us many times before - how exciting....lol

In three days she's posted the same link six times:

I suspect she'll keep posting that same link until stopped.

Edited September 30, 2019 by Hanslune

[docyabut2]

Critias

By Plato

Written 360 B.C.E

360 bc was  written  2,350 years ago.
 

facing the country which is now called the region of Gades in that part of the world,

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

 

2,500-year-old city buried under flood sediment may belong to lost civilization in Spain

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/2500-year-old-city-buried-under-flood-sediment-may-belong-lost-civilization-020521

Edited September 30, 2019 by docyabut2

[cormac mac airt]

32 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

but to believe Atlantis did exist, I trying to find Atlantis did faced that small island , Gades, and what happened to them and  where Plato said it was and its history.

 

Then you should find evidence of Atlantis. NOT Gades and NOT the Spanish mainland since that's NOT where Plato claimed Atlantis was. Otherwise you're just ignoring an entire culture in an attempt to force a non-existant connection. 

cormac

Edited September 30, 2019 by cormac mac airt

[docyabut2]

4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Then you should find evidence of Atlantis. NOT Gades and NOT the Spanish mainland since that's NOT where Plato claimed Atlantis was. Otherwise you're just ignoring an entire culture in an attempt to force a non-existant connection. 

cormac

facing the country which is now called the region of Gades in that part of the world,

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

[cormac mac airt]

19 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

 the small island of Gadir of which Plato said it is now called Gades

He didn't say the island, he said "the region" of Gades. The island didn't even have that name before the Phoenicians. 

cormac

[cormac mac airt]

3 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

facing the country which is now called the region of Gades in that part of the world,

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

I realize ignorance is bliss but ignoring what Plato said makes you WRONG.

cormac

[docyabut2]

4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

I realize ignorance is bliss but ignoring what Plato said makes you WRONG.

cormac

gee cormac he did say  the region" of Gades, but Gades  was a small island

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, docyabut2 said:

gee cormac he did say  the region" of Gades, but Gades  was a small island

Yes, but he said "Atlantis" faced the "region of Gades" which means Atlantis WAS NOT Gades and since he also said Atlantis was an island it was also NOT the mainland. 

cormac

[Swede]

42 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

One great mystery for me is why did the builders of Stonehenge use stone from Wales, so far away from Avebury, in their construction.

A good question, but one that is not easily answered, particularly given the cultural and temporal distance.

The history of lithic utilization extends back some 3.3 million years, predating the genus Homo. The import of a particular material to a particular culture/application can vary widely. Workability, cultural associations, colorations, etc.have all been noted to be influencing factors. Due to the deep-time significance of lithic materials, it is not uncommon for traditional cultures to view certain materials and their associated locations with more than passing spiritual/religious meaning.

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[docyabut2]

Cormac wish I could go back to that great site Atlantis Rising  magazine, many many years ago when  there were all the past researchers members  of Atlantis  were on it and talked seriously about  Atlantis, and I know the only one left is here is  atlante  on this site kemt seens one and all its here is most  people  just want to pick on people for fun and don't want to talk really  about Atlantis  seriously 

[docyabut2]

37 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Yes, but he said "Atlantis" faced the "region of Gades" which means Atlantis WAS NOT Gades and since he also said Atlantis was an island it was also NOT the mainland. 

cormac

Plato said they ruled over Gades and the continent around them ,

 

and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/timaeus.html

Edited September 30, 2019 by docyabut2

[cormac mac airt]

15 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Plato said they ruled over Gades and the continent around them ,

It doesn't matter where they ruled over. Spain isn't an island and no island, especially of Plato's Atlantis' claimed size, has ever faced Gades/Cadiz. 

cormac

[Jodie.Lynne]

1 hour ago, Jarocal said:

Why a moratorium? Dont wish to discuss Atlantis simply dont participate in the thread.

Because, as I said, it is the same old crappe, asserted again, and again, and again.

The OP of this thread continually posts the same ( literally, the exact same post! ) ad nauseum, as if countless repetitions of the same lame thought will somehow convince people of her viewpoint.

A simple google map search, or ANY oceanographic map of the Atlantic seafloor would put this fable to rest, yet countless people continue to state that an allegorical tale is "the real and true facts, for sure!", despite there being not one shred of evidentiary truth to the tale.

Not. One. Single. Fact.

[Swede]

23 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Cormac wish I could go back to that great site Atlantis Rising  magazine, many many years ago when  there were all the past researchers members  of Atlantis  were on it and talked seriously about  Atlantis, and I know the only one left is here is  atlante  on this site kemt seens one and all its here is most  people  just want to pick on people for fun and don't want to talk really  about Atlantis  seriously 

Docy, factors to consider:

While a relative newcomer to these pages, my presence does date back to the era of Qoasis (sp?) and the early incarnations of Mario D. The course of the exchanges resulted in my exposure to the Atlantis Rising website. New Age fantasy drivel.

As you have experienced, the Atlantis myth has been quite well addressed in a "serious" manner. There is simply no credible real-world substantiation for Plato's allegory.

That you choose to believe in a fantasy is, of course, your own decision. Such personal decisions do not constitute reality.

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[docyabut2]

14 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Because, as I said, it is the same old crappe, asserted again, and again, and again.

The OP of this thread continually posts the same ( literally, the exact same post! ) ad nauseum, as if countless repetitions of the same lame thought will somehow convince people of her viewpoint.

A simple google map search, or ANY oceanographic map of the Atlantic seafloor would put this fable to rest, yet countless people continue to state that an allegorical tale is "the real and true facts, for sure!", despite there being not one shred of evidentiary truth to the tale.

Not. One. Single. Fact.

why on picking on me if the true issue of Atlantis

[Jodie.Lynne]

3 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

why on picking on me if the true issue of Atlantis

Trust me hun, I have no desire to pick on you, but you cannot recognize fact from fiction.

THERE. IS. NO. ATLANTIS.

Never was, never will be.

[cormac mac airt]

6 minutes ago, Swede said:

Docy, factors to consider:

While a relative newcomer to these pages, my presence does date back to the era of Qoasis (sp?) and the early incarnations of Mario D. The course of the exchanges resulted in my exposure to the Atlantis Rising website. New Age fantasy drivel.

As you have experienced, the Atlantis myth has been quite well addressed in a "serious" manner. There is simply no credible real-world substantiation for Plato's allegory.

That you choose to believe in a fantasy is, of course, your own decision. Such personal decisions do not constitute reality.

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Yeah Qoais was a card but she grew a lot while here. 
 

cormac

[docyabut2]

12 minutes ago, Swede said:

Docy, factors to consider:

While a relative newcomer to these pages, my presence does date back to the era of Qoasis (sp?) and the early incarnations of Mario D. The course of the exchanges resulted in my exposure to the Atlantis Rising website. New Age fantasy drivel.

As you have experienced, the Atlantis myth has been quite well addressed in a "serious" manner. There is simply no credible real-world substantiation for Plato's allegory.

That you choose to believe in a fantasy is, of course, your own decision. Such personal decisions do not constitute reality.

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always respected Mario D  his theory of Green land, on  the Atlantis rising magazine .  but do you respect all those researchers members  of Atlantis, rising   I do , name them all  that I have talked with them  ")  

Edited October 1, 2019 by docyabut2

[Hanslune]

1 hour ago, Jarocal said:

Why a moratorium? Dont wish to discuss Atlantis simply dont participate in the thread.

Sorry Jarocal I missed your post earlier - as Jodie said - it the boring game of endless repetition we saw with Cladking.

[Hanslune]

I suggest D that you go to http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/

See if you can find something different to post about Atlantis:

 

http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/atlantis-in-wisconsin/

They used a LOT of cheese.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Hanslune

[docyabut2]

Just now, Hanslune said:

I suggest D that you go to http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/

See if you can find something different to post about Atlantis:

 

http://atlantipedia.ie/samples/atlantis-in-wisconsin/

 

 sorry more  crap:)

[Hanslune]

Locations for Atlantis proposed this century       2001	Alberto Arecchi	Tunisia
2001	John Cogan	Azores
2001	Christiane Dittmann	Malta
2001	Jörg Dendl	Atlantic
2001	Geryl & Ratinckx	Antarctica
2001	Jacques Collina-Girard	Gibraltar
2001	Peter Jakubowski	Sicily
2001	Gene Matlock	Mexico
2001	Anton Mifsud	Malta
2001	Paulino Zamarro	Cyclades
2001	Hubert Zeitlmair	Malta
2001	Radek Brychta	Dholavira
2001	David Calvert-Orange	Malta
2002	Roger Coghill	Faro
2002	Zia Abbas	Sth China Sea
2002	Dean Clarke	Atlantic
2002	Sergio Frau	Sardinia
2002	Andi Zinelli	Albania
2002	Jonas Bergman	Morocco
2002	Francis Galea	Malta
2002	Rainer W. Kühne	Andalusia
2002	Mario Tozzi	Sardinia
2003	Dennis Brooks	Florida
2003	Jeff Allan Danelek	The Tropics
2003	Jacques Hébert	Socotra
2003	Georg Lohle	North Sea
2003	Graham Phillips	Thera
2003	Carla Sage ?	Libya
2003	Robert Sarmast	Cyprus
2003	Alfred E. Schmeck	Sicily
2003	Werner Wickboldt	Andalusia
2003	Paulo Riven	Josephine Seamount
2004	Ulf Erlingsson	Ireland
2004	Karl Jürgen Hepke	Andalusia
2004	Ulrich Hofmann	Algeria
2004	N. R. James	Egypt
2004	Guy Gervis	North Sea
2004	Andis Kaulins	Mediterranean
2004	Jacques Lebeau	Minoan
2004	Christian & Siegfried Schoppe	Black Sea
2004	Flying Eagle & Whispering Wind	Sea of Azov
2004	Alexander Chechelnitsky	Alaska
2004	Sunil Prasannan	Sundaland
2005	Greg Alexander	Mt. Kilimanjaro
2005	Carlos Barceló	Atlantic
2005	Thomas K. Dietrich	America
2005	Philip Gardiner	America
2005	Kurt L. Lambeck	Aegean
2005	Jaime Manuschevich	Israel/Sinai
2005	Stavros Papamarinopoulos	Iberia
2005	M. Petersen	N. America
2005	Clyde A. Winters	Mexico
2005	Colin Wilson	Cyprus
2005	Rosario Vieni	Mediterranean
2006	‘Anonymous’	Libya
2006	Bill Hanson	Bahamas
2006	Ashok Malhotra	Indus Culture
2006	Yashwant Koak	Indus Culture
2006	Werner E. Friedrich	Black Sea
2006	Hossam Aboulfotouh	Nile Delta
2007	Marcello Cosci	Sherbro Island
2007	Mario Dantas	Greenland
2007	Peter Jakubowski	Sicily/Malta
2007	Dominique Jongbloed	Bahamas
2007	Albert Spyro Nikas	Malta
2007	Kurt Bangert	Black Sea
2007	R. McQuillen	Pharos
2007	Steven Sora	Iberia
2007	John Michael Greer	Bahamas?
2007	Carl Festin	Eastern Mediterranean
2008	Fatih Hodži?	Adriatic
2008	Ticleanu, Constantin & Nicolescu	Pannonian Plain
2008	Therese Ghembaza	Meroë
2008	Ellis Peterson	North Atlantic
2008	M. Rapisarda	Sicily
2008	Michael Hübner	Sth. Morocco
2008	August Hunt	Persia
2008	Walter Baucum	North Sea
2008	Carl Martin	Azores
2008	Gerald Wells	W. Algeria
2008	Antonio Usai	Sardinia
2008	Amy Smith	Caribbean
2009	Doug Fisher	Argentina
2009	Harry Dale Huffman	Greenland
2009	Edward Alexander	South America
2009	Riaan Booysen	Australia
2009	Joseph Robert Jochmans	Atlantic
2009	J. D. Brady	Bay of Troy
2009	Richard W. Welch	Atlantic
2009	Norman Frey	Cuba
2009	Jesse Neel	Yucatan Peninsula
2010	Emmet Sweeney	Azores
2010	Fianchy Torres	Dominican Republic
2010	Walter Schilling	S. W. Europe
2010	Marco Francesco Bulloni	North-West Russia
2010	Gavin Menzies	Crete?
2010	Eckart Kahlhofer	North-West Europe
2011	Walter Parks	Azores

[Jodie.Lynne]

11 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

 sorry more  crap:)

So, in other words, you see the facts, but choose to discard them in favour of fable?

 

That is so sad.