Will Due Posted October 18, 2019 #101 Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Alchopwn said: I am not here to change the mind You're not? What are you here for then? To just spread your confusion around as much as you can? Edited October 18, 2019 by Will Due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted October 18, 2019 #102 Share Posted October 18, 2019 13 hours ago, Will Due said: You're not? What are you here for then? To just spread your confusion around as much as you can No, my intention is that other people will read the discussion and see my point, as they will be reading dispassionately and can be more objective as a result. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted October 18, 2019 #103 Share Posted October 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, Alchopwn said: No, my intention is that other people will read the discussion and see my point, as they will be reading dispassionately and can be more objective as a result. But religion and spiritual experience are much more subjective than they're objective. Maybe a little passion at least, is the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted October 18, 2019 #104 Share Posted October 18, 2019 20 hours ago, Pettytalk said: Only in our generation has the gospel of the Kingdom been preached to the whole world. Why in Jesus' generation Atlantis had not even been officially discovered by Columbus, and where the preaching of the gospel there has yielded Christianity a very stronghold in all the Americas. Sorry, do you seriously think the Americas are Atlantis? On a similar note, you do realize that Columbus didn't discover America, he discovered the island of Hispaniola, and thought it was India. It was in fact Amerigo Vespucci who pointed out that the Americas were in fact a different set of continents. As to the rest of your alleged points, I read over the quotes, but I fail to see where the generation of Jesus is specifically referred to. The words "age"(as in, "an age of the world") and "generation"(as in, "a generation of humanity") are not even synonyms. The fact is that a generation is a discrete period of time and an age of the world will contain a great many generations of humankind. Remember also, that in the time of Jesus, the average age of a generation was only 15 years, and in Hebrew society that was generally reduced to 13 years. As an Age is seldom less than a thousand years, and normally closer to two thousand years in Biblical thinking, and a generation is about 15 years, we are crudely 133 generations since the ministry of Jesus is supposed to have begun in 31AD, and still no stars have fallen from the sky. Now in the Greek which is the original language of Mark 13:25-30, the word "generation" is given as γενεὰ and it is pronounced "genea". You may refer to it in wikipedia here: LINK. This word is not a synonym for "Age", especially not in the sense of "An Age of the World". It refers to the production of offspring until they in turn reach maturity and produce offspring of their own. The fact is, in Mark 13:25-30, Jesus prophecies that the stars will fall from the sky within a single generation, and this prophecy never came to pass. That makes him a false prophet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted October 18, 2019 #105 Share Posted October 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, Will Due said: But religion and spiritual experience are much more subjective than they're objective. Maybe a little passion at least, is the key. Why not admit that your religion is actually a form of truthiness? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted October 18, 2019 #106 Share Posted October 18, 2019 23 hours ago, Coil said: I wrote in another topic that the Jews are breakaway Indians for some wrongdoing but forgetting their roots since it was a long time ago. But then you're an ignorant racist who doesn't even have two brain cells for company. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted October 18, 2019 #107 Share Posted October 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Alchopwn said: Why not admit that your religion is actually a form of truthiness? I just went through this with someone in another thread. There are two types of religion. The religion of others and the religion each person experiences directly with a unique spark of divinity, the same that indwells us all unbidden - true religion. Why be so focused on the religion of others, when it's personal true religion that matters? It's through the personal experiences of true religion that the knowledge of God is found. Even if, and perhaps especially if a person can't believe in the truthiness of someone else's religion. You're not afraid to admit that are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Pettytalk Posted October 18, 2019 #108 Share Posted October 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, Alchopwn said: Sorry, do you seriously think the Americas are Atlantis? On a similar note, you do realize that Columbus didn't discover America, he discovered the island of Hispaniola, and thought it was India. It was in fact Amerigo Vespucci who pointed out that the Americas were in fact a different set of continents. As to the rest of your alleged points, I read over the quotes, but I fail to see where the generation of Jesus is specifically referred to. The words "age"(as in, "an age of the world") and "generation"(as in, "a generation of humanity") are not even synonyms. The fact is that a generation is a discrete period of time and an age of the world will contain a great many generations of humankind. Remember also, that in the time of Jesus, the average age of a generation was only 15 years, and in Hebrew society that was generally reduced to 13 years. As an Age is seldom less than a thousand years, and normally closer to two thousand years in Biblical thinking, and a generation is about 15 years, we are crudely 133 generations since the ministry of Jesus is supposed to have begun in 31AD, and still no stars have fallen from the sky. Now in the Greek which is the original language of Mark 13:25-30, the word "generation" is given as γενεὰ and it is pronounced "genea". You may refer to it in wikipedia here: LINK. This word is not a synonym for "Age", especially not in the sense of "An Age of the World". It refers to the production of offspring until they in turn reach maturity and produce offspring of their own. The fact is, in Mark 13:25-30, Jesus prophecies that the stars will fall from the sky within a single generation, and this prophecy never came to pass. That makes him a false prophet. Seriously! You are really naive to think that such common knowledge is held only by you. Have fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 18, 2019 #109 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Perhaps it is a good thing that I'll never really understand the minds of the religious. Doesn't seem to be mentally healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted October 18, 2019 #110 Share Posted October 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Perhaps it is a good thing that I'll never really understand the minds of the religious. Doesn't seem to be mentally healthy. You're right. It doesn't seem to be mentally healthy to never really understand the minds of the religious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 18, 2019 #111 Share Posted October 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Will Due said: You're right. It doesn't seem to be mentally healthy to never really understand the minds of the religious. Yeah, I can't fathom the level of irrationality that you operate at. Nor can I comprehend the exact volume of self-righteousness that goes along with it. Must be nice to have all the answers, because, you know, God Did It. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted October 18, 2019 #112 Share Posted October 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Must be nice to have all the answers Not all. Just enough for now. Which is yes, pretty nice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted October 18, 2019 #113 Share Posted October 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Will Due said: You're right. It doesn't seem to be mentally healthy to never really understand the minds of the religious. It's possible to understand someone's mind without completely agreeing with them ya know. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted October 19, 2019 #114 Share Posted October 19, 2019 14 hours ago, Will Due said: You're right. It doesn't seem to be mentally healthy to never really understand the minds of the religious. Is it mentally healthy to not understand the mind of the non religious ? Is it mentally healthy to equate atheists with child molesters like you do Will ? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted October 19, 2019 #115 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: Is it mentally healthy to not understand the mind of the non religious ? Is it mentally healthy to equate atheists with child molesters like you do Will ? Frankly, you will find that there are an awful lot more child molesters among the religious, than among the atheists. This is hardly surprising, given that there is a positive correlation for narcissistic personality disorder between both child molesters and priests, and the whole notion that one's deity will forgive sins perpetrated on a third party without the need to make amends is very convenient. Similarly, atheists are statistically very under-represented in jails, given that they make up 16% of the population (and rising), and yet make up less than 2% of the US national jail populations. So much for the moral force of religion... Edited October 19, 2019 by Alchopwn 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted October 19, 2019 #116 Share Posted October 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, Alchopwn said: Frankly, you will find that there are an awful lot more child molesters among the religious, than among the atheists. This is hardly surprising, given that there is a positive correlation for narcissistic personality disorder between both child molesters and priests, and the whole notion that one's deity will forgive sins perpetrated on a third party without the need to make amends is very convenient. Similarly, atheists are statistically very under-represented in jails, given that they make up 16% of the population (and rising), and yet make up less than 2% of the US national jail populations. So much for the moral force of religion... There's an awful lot to digest in that lot ! I can't say I am familiar with the argument that narcissism and child sexual molestation are related, I know there was a popular supposition that Catholic clergical celibacy was to blame, for much of the scandals within that church, but it is also rife elsewhere, so not a convincing explanation. I always take it as a certain sign that perpetrators simply do not believe in the judgement day, and are not only criminals, but hypocrites as well. I guess a narcissist can rationalise all that away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted October 19, 2019 #117 Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: Is it mentally healthy to not understand the mind of the non religious ? Is it mentally healthy to equate atheists with child molesters like you do Will ? Do not molest the minds of children by telling them lies about God. It would be better if a millstone were hanged around the neck and be cast into the sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted October 19, 2019 #118 Share Posted October 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: Is it mentally healthy to not understand the mind of the non religious ? Is it mentally healthy to equate atheists with child molesters like you do Will ? Especially since the second most infamous child molesters are priests. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryp Posted October 19, 2019 #119 Share Posted October 19, 2019 On 10/7/2019 at 12:58 PM, Sherapy said: Interesting. Fantasy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted October 19, 2019 #120 Share Posted October 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Will Due said: Do not molest the minds of children by telling them lies about God. It would be better if a millstone were hanged around the neck and be cast into the sea Does the Urantia Book advocate killing children or is it just you who thinks that killing children is a good idea ? Don't think that people are ever going to forget this post Will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted October 19, 2019 #121 Share Posted October 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: Does the Urantia Book advocate killing children or is it just you who thinks that killing children is a good idea ? Don't think that people are ever going to forget this post Will. To be fair, he was quoting Jesus from the new testament, and Jesus was talking about it being better for someone to die than for them to hurt a child. I mean he's still wrong, just saying he wasn't talking about killing kids here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted October 19, 2019 #122 Share Posted October 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Aquila King said: To be fair, he was quoting Jesus from the new testament, and Jesus was talking about it being better for someone to die than for them to hurt a child. I mean he's still wrong, just saying he wasn't talking about killing kids here. So he is only in favour of killing non-believers then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted October 19, 2019 #123 Share Posted October 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: So he is only in favour of killing non-believers then ? Is he? Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if he is. I'm not defending his rhetoric, given how he's proven himself to be demonstrably wrong on almost every issue. Just saying that in this particular instance was wasn't advocating killing kids. I've heard the milestone around the neck thing my whole life. Christians tend to have their own unique phrases and lingo than anyone who didn't grow up in a devout Christian household wouldn't likely understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted October 19, 2019 #124 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Aquila King said: Is he? Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if he is. I'm not defending his rhetoric, given how he's proven himself to be demonstrably wrong on almost every issue. Just saying that in this particular instance was wasn't advocating killing kids. I've heard the milestone around the neck thing my whole life. Christians tend to have their own unique phrases and lingo than anyone who didn't grow up in a devout Christian household wouldn't likely understand. I grew up in a secular family in a largely secular society, so you might be right that I don't understand the lingo. Its just to me saying that someone should have a millstone around their neck and then being cast into the sea is not something can understand. Maybe its because I never learned proper "christian" moral ? Btw @Will Due does my brother deserve to be drowned because my niece is an atheist ? Should I be drowned myself, as I am her godfather ? Edited October 19, 2019 by Noteverythingisaconspiracy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila King Posted October 19, 2019 #125 Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: I grew up in a secular family in a largely secular society, so you might be right that I don't understand the lingo. Its just to me saying that someone should have a millstone around their neck and then being cast into the sea is not something can understand. Maybe its because I never learned proper "christian" moral ? I don't know if it's in the Urantia Book, but it is in the Book of Matthew: Quote 5And whoever welcomes a little child like this in My name welcomes Me. 6But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. https://biblehub.com/matthew/18-6.htm It's what Christians say when someone talks about hurting children in some way. Wish I grew up secular. I envy your early life man, lol. Edited October 19, 2019 by Aquila King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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