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Why is Jesus so late?

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rashore
On 3/28/2020 at 5:39 PM, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

Lets take a look at what you want:

- the same divine guidance that condones slavery.

- the same divine guidance that punishes people for seeking knowledge.

- the same divine guidance that could prevent things like diseases and hunger, but chooses not to.

- the same divine guidance that tells women that they are worth less than men.

- the same divine guidance that is still punishing people for something that supposedly happened thousands of years ago.

 

I'll pass.

Let's not forget the divine guidance that allows incest and various forms of rape. Oh, forced marriage too. And plundering and spoils of war....

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Noteverythingisaconspiracy
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17 minutes ago, rashore said:

Let's not forget the divine guidance that allows incest and various forms of rape. Oh, forced marriage too. And plundering and spoils of war....

I just took the first that came to mind, if I had to make a complete list of gods "divine guidance" it would have been too long for a single post. :innocent:

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XenoFish

Christianity is just another cult of ego. 

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Piney
Just now, XenoFish said:

Christianity is just another cult of ego. 

Which is attractive to people with insecurity issues.

20 minutes ago, rashore said:

Let's not forget the divine guidance that allows incest and various forms of rape. Oh, forced marriage too. And plundering and spoils of war....

Or killing and burning everybody and everything then leaving it lay after a war like El told Saul to do....

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Noteverythingisaconspiracy
1 hour ago, larryp said:

Genesis and Exodus are two lengthy books; care to provide a verse, since you read it. 

I wont do the work for you and the reason is that I don't believe you are acting in good faith here. In fact I'm sure you are just waiting to hit me with some old apologetics.

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XenoFish
1 minute ago, Piney said:

Which is attractive to people with insecurity issues.

That's how religions work. Give people an imaginary problem and an imaginary solution. Toss in some hellfire consequences for disobedience. Boom, shake and bake religion.

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onlookerofmayhem

Jesus, if he existed as a mortal man, was killed. That's why he's "late." He ain't coming back.

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XenoFish
1 minute ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Jesus, if he existed as a mortal man, was killed. That's why he's "late." He ain't coming back.

If he existed he was a human sacrifice and following him is basically idolatry. Which is supposedly a no no.

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rashore
6 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Christianity is just another cult of ego. 

Oh, I dunno. Christianity can have it's good points and followers too, just like most faiths and religions. Some folks just get weird about it, which can turn out to be unfortunate.

I know some Christians that accept the good and bad in their bible, and do try to be a follower of Christ instead of a cherry-picker of the bible. Good folks that don't just love the light, but can keep faith despite the dark. It's not my faith, but it works for them.

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4 minutes ago, rashore said:

Oh, I dunno. Christianity can have it's good points and followers too, just like most faiths and religions. Some folks just get weird about it, which can turn out to be unfortunate.

I know some Christians that accept the good and bad in their bible, and do try to be a follower of Christ instead of a cherry-picker of the bible. Good folks that don't just love the light, but can keep faith despite the dark. It's not my faith, but it works for them.

While this is true that there are those of faith who aren't crazy with it. I get the feeling that this idea of one's own self-importance plays a heavy part. That whole "I am chosen", "God loves me." "If I pray......" etc. There is a bit of self centeredness in that. I can't say that all Christians are bad, I've got respect for at least 3 on the forum. Most of the time it seem that the fringe element is around. Those who take it way too seriously. 

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Piney
4 minutes ago, rashore said:

I know some Christians that accept the good and bad in their bible, and do try to be a follower of Christ instead of a cherry-picker of the bible. Good folks that don't just love the light, but can keep faith despite the dark. It's not my faith, but it works for them.

Except that form of Christianity is dying out and the Evangelical lunacy is showing a growth spurt. 

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Desertrat56
19 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

While this is true that there are those of faith who aren't crazy with it. I get the feeling that this idea of one's own self-importance plays a heavy part. That whole "I am chosen", "God loves me." "If I pray......" etc. There is a bit of self centeredness in that. I can't say that all Christians are bad, I've got respect for at least 3 on the forum. Most of the time it seem that the fringe element is around. Those who take it way too seriously. 

There is the other side of that too that I saw growing up, the fear of death because they did not think they were good enough to get in to heaven.  One of my aunts actually said once, "Oh my, I am having too much fun, I am going to burn in hell."  Her fun that she was referring to was having a drink, smoking a cigarette and telling jokes with her friends that she rarely saw.  I was too young to know whether that also included a liaison with a man she wasn't married to or not, but she was single so it didn't matter to anyone in the family, just her church.

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larryp
4 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

I wont do the work for you and the reason is that I don't believe you are acting in good faith here. In fact I'm sure you are just waiting to hit me with some old apologetics.

Yeah, just like I figured, you don't know what you're talking a bout. Smoke and mirrors!!

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larryp
4 hours ago, XenoFish said:

That's how religions work. Give people an imaginary problem and an imaginary solution. Toss in some hellfire consequences for disobedience. Boom, shake and bake religion.

YHWH

That's why you shouldn't believe in Babylonian fake religion.

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19_Kilo
On 3/28/2020 at 2:16 AM, larryp said:

Dear Piney, those are man made theocracies.:P

Are there any other type?

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19_Kilo
6 hours ago, Piney said:

Except that form of Christianity is dying out and the Evangelical lunacy is showing a growth spurt. 

Of course those Evangelicals would strongly argue that they're Christians,  nee, the purest form of Christianity.

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onlookerofmayhem
1 hour ago, larryp said:

YHWH

That's why you shouldn't believe in Babylonian fake religion.

Yeah. Yours is the only  real one out of thousands. Right?

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XenoFish
7 hours ago, larryp said:

YHWH

That's why you shouldn't believe in Babylonian fake religion.

All religions are fake. 

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Noteverythingisaconspiracy
9 hours ago, larryp said:

Yeah, just like I figured, you don't know what you're talking a bout. Smoke and mirrors!!

Let me give you one link you can ponder over: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Bible

I will even give you this fun one as a bonus: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Why_can't_I_own_a_Canadian%3F

So when you come back and show me how slavey is moral maybe we can continue the "discusssion". Sticking to one example should be easy right ?

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Coil
14 hours ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Jesus, if he existed as a mortal man, was killed. That's why he's "late." He ain't coming back.


Since Christ called himself the Son of Man, humanity will suffer the same painful death because people rejected the messenger of God and religion as if they rejected intelligent life.

But with each race, the number of saints and enlightened ones is growing and there will come a moment when they will be able to crush the whole human inferiority and create a new harmonious race on earth(and the surviving people of our race will remain at the level of naked aborigines)

 

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joc
14 hours ago, rashore said:

Oh, I dunno. Christianity can have it's good points and followers too, just like most faiths and religions. Some folks just get weird about it, which can turn out to be unfortunate.

I know some Christians that accept the good and bad in their bible, and do try to be a follower of Christ instead of a cherry-picker of the bible. Good folks that don't just love the light, but can keep faith despite the dark. It's not my faith, but it works for them.

Humanity itself is an ego based institution.  It's about me, it has always been about me, it will always be...about me.  Oh, but...it's about you too...but yeah...it's about me.

What Christianity is supposed to be about is how it isn't really about me or you at all, it's about Him who loved you and me enough to die for our sins.  And He taught us to love each other as we love ourselves...so...that brings it back around to...yeah, it's about me...but it is about you too, so, I put you above me just as He put us above himself.  That is the 'deeper' spiritual belief that really supersedes the 'miracle factor belief' of the religion.  It's about helping each other basically by caring about each other and that is a good thing...

The truth is...if one just takes Christianity on it's face, the vast majority of Christians are really decent people who would help you anyway they could.  The problem with Christianity has never really been the Belief Factor....it has been ...the money...factor, which is quite ironic.  The Money Factor has made the church into The Market Place that caused Jesus to literally lash out at the partakers thereof.  It's all for sale...

...and if one looks deeper into the aspect of the belief...what one finds is that (I think it is in Numbers OT) the High Priest issued an entire list of Do Nots for the people which was given to him by God himself.  No working on the sabbath.  If one's Ox works on the Sabbath kill it.  Do not suffer homosexuals, and on and on and on...and...the biggy..give the first ten percent of your work to God...i.e.  The Temple.  What Christianity has done is sold it's followers the belief that the 'list' is irrelevant because Jesus changed all of that...except...they still hold dearly to the 'give a tenth of your earnings to God'  i.e.  The Church.  Hence...The Money Factor.

My Grandfather was a preacher.  He told his congregation that somebody told him he needed to put a system in place for collecting money.  He said they didn't really have a system, they just pass the plate and if anyone wants to give they do.  And that's just the way it was...

Then end result of all that though is...you have a power based, money based, entity, called the church that collectively ....supposedly...belongs to the 'people'...but in reality it's a business and it belongs to itself and like it or not...the church has become a 'club' that members belong to...and the belief twisting goes on from there...it's all about the money, it will always be about the money because ....Humanity is an ego based institution in and of itself...it's all about me...it's always been about me...it will always be about me...   

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Coil
15 hours ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Jesus, if he existed as a mortal man, was killed. That's why he's "late." He ain't coming back.

 

Quote

 

 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

 7:13—14
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/Daniel

 

 

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Piney
1 hour ago, Coil said:

But with each race, the number of saints and enlightened ones is growing and there will come a moment when they will be able to crush the whole human inferiority and create a new harmonious race on earth(and the surviving people of our race will remain at the level of naked aborigines)

:o

 

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onlookerofmayhem
2 hours ago, Coil said:

 

 

Quoting the bible does absolutely nothing to validate the claims it contains.

It is a work of fiction.

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larryp
On 3/31/2020 at 1:18 PM, XenoFish said:

If he existed he was a human sacrifice and following him is basically idolatry. Which is supposedly a no no.

YHWH

Do you know someone who bows down to graven images and statues?

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