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RoofGardener
5 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

There is also the possibility that daming information may come light, I had to bring that up because you neglected to do so in your post. Like I have said in previous posts releasing them is the best way to stop all the speculation, not doing so only ads fuel to the fire.

You may well be correct, @Manwon Lender.  But it is ALSO possible that Trump is being mischievous, and deliberately adding fuel to the fire, in the hope that when his returns ARE revealed, they show NOTHING, and the Democrats have egg all over their face. 

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Setton
40 minutes ago, joc said:

Well if you are up to speed on what went on with the Mueller Investigation and all of that...you wouldn't be focusing on tax returns.  I don't think you are though...so I will help you:

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Muttered cultist crap

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You should know that it's normal to back up claims with a source. 

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joc
41 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I am up to speed on the Mueller investigation, but why do you keep deflecting to it when his Tax returns are mentioned. Mr. Mueller and his team never saw President Trumps Tax returns. So no matter what was found during the investigation his Tax returns could have new information that hasn't been discovered. 

President Trump has openly stated he had no business deals in Russia prior to his election, if this is true then his Tax returns would prove it. So please don't reference the Mueller investigation every time President Trumps Tax returns are mentioned, they are a separate issue. 

But you knew that right? or maybe I need to break it down in smaller pieces for you.;)

What you don't get is the Left has decided to destroy Trump.  No matter what.  They HAVE to...otherwise they fear He will destroy Their Way of Life...i.e.   corruption and their own personal gravy train.

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Manwon Lender
38 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

You may well be correct, @Manwon Lender.  But it is ALSO possible that Trump is being mischievous, and deliberately adding fuel to the fire, in the hope that when his returns ARE revealed, they show NOTHING, and the Democrats have egg all over their face. 

What your saying could certainly be true, however, he hasn't been so to speak mischievous up to this point. So I think that only time will tell. 

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Manwon Lender
13 minutes ago, joc said:

What you don't get is the Left has decided to destroy Trump.  No matter what.  They HAVE to...otherwise they fear He will destroy Their Way of Life...i.e.   corruption and their own personal gravy train.

I think you are certainly a little confused. When it comes to corruption, their way of life and personal gravy trains both the Left and Right are guilty. Corruption is rampant in our political system, both sides are controlled by special interest groups. If you really want to support something bigger than yourself, support the destruction of these groups and the corruption that poisons our entire political system.

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1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

I think you are certainly a little confused. When it comes to corruption, their way of life and personal gravy trains both the Left and Right are guilty. Corruption is rampant in our political system, both sides are controlled by special interest groups. If you really want to support something bigger than yourself, support the destruction of these groups and the corruption that poisons our entire political system.

I'm not confused at all.  And I concur...both the Left and the Right are guilty...but not all of them...or maybe all of them...but that IS The Swamp...The Swamp is the Status Quo, The Deep State ...aka  The Establishment!  Now...name one person who was  elected in Washington that is not a politician, not beholden to Special Interest Groups, not part of the Swamp.....wallah...enter Donald J Trump.   Who's rockin' the boat of the swamp Manwon?  Donald J Trump...that's who...that's why he is so demonized by virtually all Dems, Many Rep and practically the entire Media...he is upsetting their game that makes them all important and rich and powerful.  Get it?

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19 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

What I expect has nothing to do with it, the question is why is he trying so hard to hide them. 

Let's think about that a moment, shall we?  He's a billionaire businessman in NYC.  There isn't a single member of THAT club that wouldn't have examples of shady dealings and cut corners that could be used by enemies to create a huge scandal that had nothing to do with his election or his choices in policies.  Rational, unbiased people understand this.  Also, he has a record of being audited regularly as most businessmen in that situation do.  If he had a history of criminal activity, don't you imagine he'd have been busted long before now?  If not, then why do you suppose he wouldn't have been charged by now?  Do you honestly believe that a billionaire in NYC wouldn't have his taxes and businesses analyzed regularly?

The bottom line is that the man has been investigated, analyzed and probed more than any other president in history - INCLUDING Bill Clinton.  He's tired of the treatment and feels he doesn't owe it to his deadly enemies to help them build another sham case against him.  And here's the important part: HIS SUPPORTERS AGREE.  If his polling isn't going to suffer, he'd be a fool to give his enemies more ammo.  

The truly crazy stuff is right ahead.  When the Left, especially Obama's former co-conspirators begin to realize what Durham is homing in on, the media is going to become hysterically frantic.  "Grave Constitutional Crisis"  "False Flag" "Attempted Coup" We're going to be treated to stories you can't even imagine but the bottom line will be whether real evidence is found to prove what they did.  They being Clapper, Brennan, Comey and a laundry list of subordinates under Obama's regime.  Here's the thing... even if it all gets covered over by jury nullification in DC, there will still be a permanent record of the charges and the evidence that led to the charges and they will never be able to change the mind of half the country.

Where America goes from there is a choice we all have to make.

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16 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Like I said before he could easily stop all the speculation by releasing his returns

Manwon, if you are being sincere when you say this then you are incredibly naive.  His enemies want that information for the same reason they wanted the Special Counsel and the Whistleblower testimony.  At this point it takes being in denial or being complicit to ignore what they are up to.  He has decided to stop helping them try to take him down.  Good for him!  Now it's time for him to go on offense and find out exactly who set all this in motion.  The media you seem to trust will tell you he has no right to do that, will you believe them in that as well?  Do you believe that a duly elected chief executive has no right to defend himself AND the Office he holds against attacks that have provided no evidence of wrongdoing?  If they've convinced you of THAT then you need to go back and take a course in Constitution, 101.  Hillsdale College has an excellent free course that explains these rights and duties.

https://online.hillsdale.edu/course/con101/schedule

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Setton
1 hour ago, and then said:

If his polling isn't going to suffer, he'd be a fool to give his enemies more ammo.  

So you also believe there's ammunition in there. 

Interesting. 

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20 minutes ago, Setton said:

So you also believe there's ammunition in there. 

Interesting. 

Let's see... 3 years and about 40 million spent on a story that turns out to be insupportable.  Then we look into obstruction of justice where there was no evidence of a crime, then we get a  secret whistleblower report that leads to a Star Chamber style Impeachment Inquiry.  When have they failed to create their own ammo?  Just because it happens to consistently be duds doesn't matter to them at all.  Or to you, apparently.  But please, do continue.  The louder the noise, the less people pay attention, old sock... ;) 

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Manwon Lender
4 hours ago, and then said:

Let's think about that a moment, shall we?  He's a billionaire businessman in NYC.  There isn't a single member of THAT club that wouldn't have examples of shady dealings and cut corners that could be used by enemies to create a huge scandal that had nothing to do with his election or his choices in policies.  Rational, unbiased people understand this.  Also, he has a record of being audited regularly as most businessmen in that situation do.  If he had a history of criminal activity, don't you imagine he'd have been busted long before now?  If not, then why do you suppose he wouldn't have been charged by now?  Do you honestly believe that a billionaire in NYC wouldn't have his taxes and businesses analyzed regularly?

 

Let me get this straight, because he is a Billionaire shady dealings and cut corners are considered acceptable ways of doing business. Then you say that rational, unbiased people also accept this behavior, because this is common among Billionaires. Well as the President of the United States he must maintain a transparency that allows scrutiny of his back ground. Tax returns are part of that, he is the first President in 40 years who hasn't released his returns.

President Trump claims he had no Business dealings with Russia prior to running for and being elected President. This is an important statement that his Tax returns could prove or disprove. This has nothing to do with Mueller, or anything else if his statement was true the returns can only vindicate him.

Last it is not ok for the President or anyone else elected to office to hide their past shady business dealings. This only shows a pattern of possible illegal behavior, which continues to go on as we speak. Those returns will be released sooner or later, whether with his approval or they will be leaked. I personally think there is more there than just shady dealings and for me that is why they important.

 

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Manwon Lender
4 hours ago, and then said:

Manwon, if you are being sincere when you say this then you are incredibly naive.  His enemies want that information for the same reason they wanted the Special Counsel and the Whistleblower testimony.  At this point it takes being in denial or being complicit to ignore what they are up to.  He has decided to stop helping them try to take him down.  Good for him!  Now it's time for him to go on offense and find out exactly who set all this in motion.  The media you seem to trust will tell you he has no right to do that, will you believe them in that as well?  Do you believe that a duly elected chief executive has no right to defend himself AND the Office he holds against attacks that have provided no evidence of wrongdoing?  If they've convinced you of THAT then you need to go back and take a course in Constitution, 101.  Hillsdale College has an excellent free course that explains these rights and duties.

https://online.hillsdale.edu/course/con101/schedule

Hogwash, just more deflection. I have to ask do you have a Large S on your chest?

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Manwon Lender
11 hours ago, joc said:

I'm not confused at all.  And I concur...both the Left and the Right are guilty...but not all of them...or maybe all of them...but that IS The Swamp...The Swamp is the Status Quo, The Deep State ...aka  The Establishment!  Now...name one person who was  elected in Washington that is not a politician, not beholden to Special Interest Groups, not part of the Swamp.....wallah...enter Donald J Trump.   Who's rockin' the boat of the swamp Manwon?  Donald J Trump...that's who...that's why he is so demonized by virtually all Dems, Many Rep and practically the entire Media...he is upsetting their game that makes them all important and rich and powerful.  Get it?

My question is why would a swamp dweller truly want to destroy his own habitat. President Trump is just as beholden to special interests as every other politician. That's why he reduced all the EPA regulations, that's why he doesn't stand up to the NRA, that why he doesn't support or beleive in Climate change and the list goes on. Do you get it?

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9 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

My question is why would a swamp dweller truly want to destroy his own habitat. President Trump is just as beholden to special interests as every other politician. That's why he reduced all the EPA regulations, that's why he doesn't stand up to the NRA, that why he doesn't support or beleive in Climate change and the list goes on. Do you get it?

Manwon...Trump is a Billionaire...he doesn't need anything from anybody.  I don't know if he reduced all the EPA regulations but I'm glad he did to what ever degree he did.  Many of them were just stupid and harmful to business.  He supports the NRA as do I and millions and millions of American Citizens who believe the Constitution is not to be messed with.  Man Made Climate Change is a hoax.  He isn't the only one who believes that.  He isn't a swamp dweller Manwon.  He does what he does because he loves America...and he is willing to stand up to the Socialistic Flood of Globalists that want America to have its roll in the world diminished.   

We who support Trump know all of this.  Hey...I was a huge fan of W's Daddy...until he lied to me.  Read my Lips...remember that?  Then Clinton lied to me...over and over...and then...My Hero...George W Bush lied to me with his Bush Doctrine.  There we were...with 150 thousand troops poised to shock and awe Iran...nope...the Bush Doctrine didn't apply to Iran...the number one exporter of terrorism, but no...we aren't going to touch Iran!  So...yeah, Bush lied and people died.  

So...Trump...not a politician.  Never ran for anything...see's what is happening to America...and he doesn't like it.  He sees that he is the only one that can really do anything about it because he isn't part of the swamp.   He told us what he would do and he's been doing it...all of it!  How one can just sit on the fence and say, Well Washington is a swamp...and at the same time say the one guy who is trying to fix it is also part of the swamp? It is a bit mystifying.

 

 

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On 10/25/2019 at 6:34 AM, RoofGardener said:

If it is just about the election, then why do the Democrats want Trumps tax returns going back 5 years BEFORE 2016 ? 

The Democrats all loved Trump as did all the Republicans...because he gave lots of money to both of them.  But all of that changed when Trump took an issue that was smoldering on the back burner and made it his own personal vendetta...and that was Obama's Birth Certificate.

The reason Obama was forced to produce a birth certificate is because of Trump...and they have hated him for that ever since.  What could they do though except try to destroy him through his tax returns?  

 

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Gromdor

So just to be caught up.  Now we aren't leaving Syria but will instead be sending in more troops and gear after just bombing our own stuff to prevent anyone from getting it and guarding oil wells?  And the Kurds are welcome to come guard the oil wells too?

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Setton
1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

So just to be caught up.  Now we aren't leaving Syria but will instead be sending in more troops and gear after just bombing our own stuff to prevent anyone from getting it and guarding oil wells?  And the Kurds are welcome to come guard the oil wells too?

The ones that haven't been killed in the meantime... 

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Gromdor
39 minutes ago, Setton said:

The ones that haven't been killed in the meantime... 

It's a pretty safe bet to say they aren't going.  I'd go as far as to say that no one would be willing to.

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Manwon Lender
On 10/26/2019 at 8:30 PM, joc said:

Manwon...Trump is a Billionaire...he doesn't need anything from anybody.  I don't know if he reduced all the EPA regulations but I'm glad he did to what ever degree he did.  Many of them were just stupid and harmful to business.  He supports the NRA as do I and millions and millions of American Citizens who believe the Constitution is not to be messed with.  Man Made Climate Change is a hoax.  He isn't the only one who believes that.  He isn't a swamp dweller Manwon.  He does what he does because he loves America...and he is willing to stand up to the Socialistic Flood of Globalists that want America to have its roll in the world diminished.   

We who support Trump know all of this.  Hey...I was a huge fan of W's Daddy...until he lied to me.  Read my Lips...remember that?  Then Clinton lied to me...over and over...and then...My Hero...George W Bush lied to me with his Bush Doctrine.  There we were...with 150 thousand troops poised to shock and awe Iran...nope...the Bush Doctrine didn't apply to Iran...the number one exporter of terrorism, but no...we aren't going to touch Iran!  So...yeah, Bush lied and people died.  

So...Trump...not a politician.  Never ran for anything...see's what is happening to America...and he doesn't like it.  He sees that he is the only one that can really do anything about it because he isn't part of the swamp.   He told us what he would do and he's been doing it...all of it!  How one can just sit on the fence and say, Well Washington is a swamp...and at the same time say the one guy who is trying to fix it is also part of the swamp? It is a bit mystifying.

 

 

It's very obvious that you beleive strongly that President Trump is the perfect man for the job. But there is more to him than perfection, he has skeletons in his closet like everyone has. But I beleive there is more to it than just that, in my opinion he has been abusing his power as President, and sooner or later damage control isn't going to prevent that exposure. 

I beleive there is more to his Tax returns than just the fact he is a Billionaire, and all the sex scandals are not just made up fiction. I am certain we will never agree on this subject, and that's ok, because I beleive you will find out he has lied to you just like the others you mentioned. 

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RoofGardener

Well, I'd be happy that he be forced to reveal his tax returns for the period commencing June 16th 2015 (when he announced his candidacy) up to the present day. 

However, I still haven't seen anyone justify them wanting his records for 5 years prior to that ? 

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3 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Well, I'd be happy that he be forced to reveal his tax returns for the period commencing June 16th 2015 (when he announced his candidacy) up to the present day. 

However, I still haven't seen anyone justify them wanting his records for 5 years prior to that ? 

I suppose the argument for that is that just because he announced his candidacy on that date, doesn't mean that was when he actually decided to run. 

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RoofGardener
1 hour ago, Setton said:

I suppose the argument for that is that just because he announced his candidacy on that date, doesn't mean that was when he actually decided to run. 

Huh ? 

So the Democrats demanding these records are mind-readers ? 

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Setton
3 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Huh ? 

So the Democrats demanding these records are mind-readers ? 

No, but take the worst case scenario:

Hypothetically, Trump could have been bribed by the Russians, during Obama's presidency, to run for president at the end of his 2nd term. The actual bribery, and evidence of it, could predate Trump's public announcement that he was going to run by several years. 

DISCLAIMER: Before the usual suspects descend into the usual gibbering lunacy, I draw their attention, again, to the word 'hypothetically'. 

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RoofGardener
2 hours ago, Setton said:

No, but take the worst case scenario:

Hypothetically, Trump could have been bribed by the Russians, during Obama's presidency, to run for president at the end of his 2nd term. The actual bribery, and evidence of it, could predate Trump's public announcement that he was going to run by several years. 

DISCLAIMER: Before the usual suspects descend into the usual gibbering lunacy, I draw their attention, again, to the word 'hypothetically'. 

Yeah... sure.. and HYPOTHETICALLY Obama was actually Elvis in disguise. 

I'm ASSUMING that you can't start demanding tax returns on the strength of an uncorroborated hypotheses. Surely you have to request their sequestration through  a COURT, and provide evidence as to their relevance to an investigation, before the court will agree to issue a subpoena ? Am I right in thinking this ? Because if I am, then .. if the Democrats HAD any evidence of a prior conspiracy between Trump and Putin... by all means let them bring this before the court and subpoena his tax records back to the beginning of time itself.

But if they do NOT have corroboration, then on what basis are they issuing (or trying to issue) the subpoena ? 

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Tatetopa
On 10/25/2019 at 7:26 AM, joc said:

Now...name one person who was  elected in Washington that is not a politician, not beholden to Special Interest Groups, not part of the Swamp.

Alexandra Ocasio Cortez.

 

On 10/25/2019 at 7:26 AM, joc said:

.enter Donald J Trump.

From the swamp of New York Real Estate he comes where he has survived by scratching backs and doing solids for those who could help him get ahead.  

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