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US betrays Kurdish Allies

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RoofGardener
16 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

SDNY is not investigating impeachment, they are investigating possible tax irregularities and other fraud allegations related to Trump Enterprises with Donald Trump and family as businessmen, not Donald Trump the President.  As you might have noticed, Trump charity has been dissolved in an agreement with NY AG.  From testimony and evidence, it appears Donald Trump was channeling money from his charity into his campaign.  There are still ongoing investigations. His sons may also be implicated in these investigations.

Ooooh right.. I didn't know that. Thanks for the clarification @Tatetopa

Actually it is the Manhattan District Attorney who is doing this. And curiously, he only decided that Trump might have done dodgy deals AFTER he announced that he was standing for President. 

Just a co-incidence, I'm sure. And likewise just a co-incidence that the Manhattan District Attorney is a Democrat :) 

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Meanwhile, Barr and Durham are STILL looking into the efforts and actions of Obama officials with regard to the 2016 election and Trump.  When the first indictments come down we will be able to hear the screaming without the benefit of mass-media.  Just open a window :w00t:

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Tatetopa
19 hours ago, joc said:

Your opinion and speculation.  Did it ever occur to you that he might just actually be the greatest, the smartest, the best that ever was?  He did not run for President because he needed applause...he ran for President because he cares deeply about our country and truly believed no one but him could fix it.  He actually is pretty great Tat.  He doesn't do things for applause...he gets applause because he DOES things!

I might contend with you on facts occasionally, but I can't contend with you on opinion.  More power to you. We each have an opinion.  You know mine too..

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Farmer77
8 hours ago, and then said:

Meanwhile, Barr and Durham are STILL looking into the efforts and actions of Obama officials with regard to the 2016 election and Trump.  When the first indictments come down we will be able to hear the screaming without the benefit of mass-media.  Just open a window :w00t:

William Barr and the Corruption of the Justice Department

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But what’s even crazier is that Attorney General Barr is using the full resources of his office—not to mention his own personal time—to pursue an absolutely bonkers conspiracy theory that bubbled up from the depths of the right-wing fever swamp. It says that despite copious evidence, the consensus of American intelligence agencies, and the extensive documentation contained in the indictments brought down by Robert Mueller, Russia didn’t meddle in the 2016 election at all. In fact, the theory goes, the whole thing was a false flag operation in which the Obama administration recruited the help of Ukrainians to make it appear that Russia was the guilty party, and Vladimir Putin is the innocent victim of a slander. And also, there was a server at Democratic National Committee headquarters that would prove Putin’s innocence, but it was spirited away and now may be sitting somewhere in Ukraine.

You may think that no person whose wardrobe does not include an extensive collection of headwear made of tin foil could possibly believe that. And you’d be right. But the people who do believe it apparently include the president of the United States and his attorney general.

 

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Farmer77
On 10/28/2019 at 10:37 PM, and then said:

  Considering the rank cowardice they seem capable of... they'll never stand to that point.  They're gutless, plain and simple...

Speaking of cowardice. Did it make you feel good to see a purple heart owning military veteran get smeared in defense of a man who never served in his life thanks to his rich daddy and "bone spurs"?

Trump’s right-wing defenders earn the ‘deplorable’ label with their vicious attack on the latest impeachment witness

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It was only a week ago that a chorus of people on both the left and right rose up to defend Tulsi Gabbard from Hillary Clinton’s statement that “she’s the favorite of the Russians” by pointing to Gabbard’s military service. The point was that someone who has served honorably should never have their loyalty to America questioned.

Trump’s enablers, however, are in a very difficult position right now. With every witness being deposed in the House impeachment inquiry, the picture of an American president pressuring a foreign government to smear his political opponents grows more clear. They are now the ones who are attacking the loyalty of someone who served honorably in the military.

 

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jeem

Funny the  topic's title is "US betrays Kurdish Allies"  but everybody is talking about trump.

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Setton
3 hours ago, jeem said:

Funny the  topic's title is "US betrays Kurdish Allies"  but everybody is talking about trump.

Well it was his personal decision, without consultation with anyone else in the government. 

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jeem
On 10/30/2019 at 11:35 PM, Setton said:

Well it was his personal decision, without consultation with anyone else in the government. 

Then let's discuss the effect of this decision and put away discussion like whether the guy is a moron or not for relevant topic.

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Setton
3 hours ago, jeem said:

Then let's discuss the effect of this decision and put away discussion like whether the guy is a moron or not for relevant topic.

The two are so closely intertwined, I'm not sure that's possible. 

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BrooklynGuy

More on the Story: IMO it was a brilliant strategy by the Trump administration to let ISIS think America was pulling out of Syria so the Austere Religious Scholar, Pedophle and Fillicide Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi would crawl out of his cave and the America Military could put him down. 

US will leave about 600 troops in Syria for ‘enduring defeat of ISIS’

The US military will keep about 600 troops in Syria to maintain the “enduring defeat of ISIS,” the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Sunday. The small “footprint” of troops will remain in the war-ravaged country after President Trump was persuaded against a complete withdrawal. “There will be less than 1,000 for sure,” Gen. Mark Milley said on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday, referring to the number when Trump announced the withdrawal last month.

Read more: https://nypost.com/2019/11/10/us-will-leave-about-600-troops-in-syria-for-enduring-defeat-of-isis/ 

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RoofGardener

So what's been happening to the Kurds ? gosh, they've been pushed back by 20 miles from the Turkish border. Umm.. and that's that. 

Hardly the catastrophic betrayal in the opening post, is it ? 

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Farmer77
1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

So what's been happening to the Kurds ? gosh, they've been pushed back by 20 miles from the Turkish border. Umm.. and that's that. 

Hardly the catastrophic betrayal in the opening post, is it ? 

 Well the fact that US tanks are strolling through the area again kinda makes the entire conversation moot. 

 

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RoofGardener
40 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

 Well the fact that US tanks are strolling through the area again kinda makes the entire conversation moot. 

 

REally ? US Tanks are strolling around with Russian and Syrian tanks ? Gosh.. how ecumenical of them ! 

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Farmer77
6 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

REally ? US Tanks are strolling around with Russian and Syrian tanks ? Gosh.. how ecumenical of them ! 

Almost 

 U.S. Sends Forces to Protect Syrian Oil Fields

 US to send ‘mechanized forces’ to secure Syrian oil fields

 

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RoofGardener
10 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Hmm.. these are 'plans'.... well, maybe they will, but I would have thought AFV's would make more sense than heavy Abrams tanks. 

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Farmer77
1 minute ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmm.. these are 'plans'.... well, maybe they will, but I would have thought AFV's would make more sense than heavy Abrams tanks. 

Oh I was using tank in a general sense.

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Setton
5 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

So what's been happening to the Kurds ? gosh, they've been pushed back by 20 miles from the Turkish border. Umm.. and that's that. 

Hardly the catastrophic betrayal in the opening post, is it ? 

Tell that to the 450+ dead Kurds who trusted the US. 

Only reason it isn't worse is because the Kurds made a new agreement. With Russia. You think that's good for us? It isn't. 

We now have no presence in Northern Syria and therefore no idea what ISIS is doing. And we have no allies we can turn to in the future anymore. The US has very neatly handed the entire Middle East to Russia and Iran. 

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and then
2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

but I would have thought AFV's would make more sense than heavy Abrams tanks. 

No... the Abrams carry more persistent clout ;)   They also can form into improvised fortifications if someone tried to overrun the camp or Laager.  

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Tatetopa
14 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

So what's been happening to the Kurds ? gosh, they've been pushed back by 20 miles from the Turkish border. Umm.. and that's that. 

Hardly the catastrophic betrayal in the opening post, is it ? 

Well, it appears we traded fighting with the Kurds for protecting an oilfield.  That would be an oilfield in Syria and not in North Dakota.

Tanks take logistics, fuel, parts  heavy equipment that will need to be brought in.  Probably more troops involved than we took out of the Turkish border zone.

So why can't Syria protect their own oil field?  From ISIS, I hear.  What gives?

Were those the guys, 700 of them or so that the Kurds had locked up?

And now Erdogan says he is going to keep releasing them back to their home countries if Europe doesn't remove sanctions placed on Turkey for drilling an oil well off the coast of Cyprus?  

And the Kurds made a deal with the Russians to prevent a possible slaughter.  And now Turkey and Russia control northern Syria.

And Turkey is releasing ISIS detainees whether their home countries accept them or not says Erdogan.  He seems to be using terrorists as a  threat.  Are we OK with that part? 

And we are going to protect an oil field in Syria while we are exporting our own oil and don't need it.  Because we have to protect it from ISIS.

Net result, Turkey and Russia got what they want, Kurds are neutralized, some of ISIS may be on the loose, and we are still there, this time with no friends..

Holy Smokes, sure am glad we avoided that catastrophe.

 

 

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RoofGardener
14 hours ago, Setton said:

Tell that to the 450+ dead Kurds who trusted the US. 

Only reason it isn't worse is because the Kurds made a new agreement. With Russia. You think that's good for us? It isn't. 

We now have no presence in Northern Syria and therefore no idea what ISIS is doing. And we have no allies we can turn to in the future anymore. The US has very neatly handed the entire Middle East to Russia and Iran. 

Syria hardly comprises ".. the entire middle east". 

They've got Syria. Good luck to them with that. Who CARES if the US doesn't have any presence in Northern Syria ? They don't have any military presence in Turkmenistan or Madagascar or Sweden either. Strangely, despite these oversights, the Republic survives :D 

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Setton
2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Syria hardly comprises ".. the entire middle east". 

They've got Syria. Good luck to them with that.

Plus Iraq, Lebanon, increasingly Turkey and fingers in every other ME state. 

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Who CARES if the US doesn't have any presence in Northern Syria ? They don't have any military presence in Turkmenistan or Madagascar or Sweden either. Strangely, despite these oversights, the Republic survives :D 

I imagine you will when things start exploding on our streets again because ISIS has space to recover. 

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