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Trump Endorses Turkish Military Operation in Syria, Shifting U.S. Policy

WASHINGTON — In a major shift in United States military policy in Syria, the White House said on Sunday that President Trump had given his endorsement for a Turkish military operation that would sweep away American-backed Kurdish forces near the border in Syria.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/us/politics/trump-turkey-syria.amp.html

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Farmer77

Turkey decides to start spending money in Russia and the US decides to turn their backs on an ally in favor of Turkey. Coincidence? 

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Dumbledore the Awesome

all to the good; another step towards getting rid of all these "Rebels" and hopefully bringing some more stability. 

Yes, firmly on the side of dictators. 

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Tatetopa
5 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

If it weren’t for the Kurds I would agree . Kinda feels like we’re betraying them though....mostly because we are 

Gonna be a tough sell to get them to help us fight ISIS again  that's for sure.

Why would we do this when Turkey has not been a very reliable ally lately?

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Farmer77
Just now, Tatetopa said:

Why would we do this when Turkey has not been a very reliable ally lately?

I guess whether they’ve been a good ally or not depends on perspective.

If a decision maker were to love Russia and not be particularly fond of NATO that decision maker might think Turkey has been a great ally. 

Turkey’s purchase of Russian missile system ‘defies Nato’

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Black Red Devil

It's a large border and what if the Kurds now turn to the Russians for allies?  Crazy thoughtless decision.

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Farmer77
1 minute ago, Black Red Devil said:

It's a large border and what if the Kurds now turn to the Russians for allies?  Crazy thoughtless decision.

I really hate to be “that guy” , but, is it thoughtless or is it ensuring debts get paid before or in case the impeachment hammer comes down ? 

I’m sure the faithful will mock that but I don’t think it’s too crazy to maybe look at things through that lens from time to time. 

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Manwon Lender
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Black Red Devil said:

It's a large border and what if the Kurds now turn to the Russians for allies?  Crazy thoughtless decision.

Here's a crazier thoughtless decision, what if their tired of being lied to and decide to join ISIS. Hell they could release and rearm all the ISIS prisoners they have. They were lied to in Iraq and Afghanistan I mean what do they have to lose.

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Manwon Lender
2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Gonna be a tough sell to get them to help us fight ISIS again  that's for sure.

Why would we do this when Turkey has not been a very reliable ally lately?

The reason we would do this is because President Trump has lost credibility across the board. This is a lame method to stop more Nations from aligning themselves with Russia or Iran. It's really a Dam shame that the Kurds are being screwed again. These people have been loyal and supported the United States across the Middle Eastern conflicts. I think this decision is going to come back and bite us in the Ass, it's only a matter of time.

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RoofGardener

Hold on a minute.. the Turks are going to move their army into an area that has between 100 and 150 US military personal deployed there ? 

What are we suggesting ? That those 100-150 troops open fire on Turkish tanks ? That the US should airlift in a rapid reaction force to open fire on Turkish tanks, potentially resulting in a foreign entanglement that would make Vietnam look like a walk in the park ? 

What.. PRECISELY.. would you have had President Trump DO ? 

 

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Setton
57 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Here's a crazier thoughtless decision, what if their tired of being lied to and decide to join ISIS. Hell they could release and rearm all the ISIS prisoners they have. They were lied to in Iraq and Afghanistan I mean what do they have to lose.

Can't see them joining their (2nd) worst enemies. What I can see them doing is letting the ISIS fighters go (can't spare guards if you're fighting Turkey) and looking for revenge. 

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19 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Hold on a minute.. the Turks are going to move their army into an area that has between 100 and 150 US military personal deployed there ? 

What are we suggesting ? That those 100-150 troops open fire on Turkish tanks ? That the US should airlift in a rapid reaction force to open fire on Turkish tanks, potentially resulting in a foreign entanglement that would make Vietnam look like a walk in the park ? 

What.. PRECISELY.. would you have had President Trump DO ?

Just having those 100 odd troops has stopped Turkey doing this for over a year. Erdogan knows he can't afford to hurt a single US soldier. Now though, he can go in without a second thought. 

And his noble plans to return these Syrian refugees? Syrian Arabs he wants to use to populate the Kurdish region. 

This is ethnic cleansing and Trump just announced he's OK with it. Utter scum. 

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ExpandMyMind

This is one of those things that people likely will have no idea just how horrendous a decision was made. The US has outright betrayed their Kurdish allies after promising to protect them from Turkey. Why would any country in the world make a deal with the US after their reneging on so many deals?

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4 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Trump Endorses Turkish Military Operation in Syria, Shifting U.S. Policy

WASHINGTON — In a major shift in United States military policy in Syria, the White House said on Sunday that President Trump had given his endorsement for a Turkish military operation that would sweep away American-backed Kurdish forces near the border in Syria.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/us/politics/trump-turkey-syria.amp.html

Idiot,boy!  And what would your fire-breathing headline have been if Trump had told Erdog to pound sand?  What a waste of carbon you types have become.  You should try volunteering...or maybe get a pet or a hobby.  You may well have FIVE MORE YEARS of this emotional turmoil ahead.  One needs to pace oneself, what?

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Hold on a minute.. the Turks are going to move their army into an area that has between 100 and 150 US military personal deployed there ? 

What are we suggesting ? That those 100-150 troops open fire on Turkish tanks ? That the US should airlift in a rapid reaction force to open fire on Turkish tanks, potentially resulting in a foreign entanglement that would make Vietnam look like a walk in the park ? 

What.. PRECISELY.. would you have had President Trump DO ? 

 

He's doing the only thing he really CAN do at the moment.  It wouldn't bother me if he continued to supply heavy weapons to the Kurds in northern Iraq, however and even gave them an air umbrella.

ETA:  It's entirely possible that Israel will become a defacto ally of the Kurds if Erdog isn't careful and Israel doesn't have the long supply lines.

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Gromdor

Iraq has been suffering from mass political unrest lately: https://www.npr.org/2019/10/06/767711133/more-than-100-killed-and-thousands-injured-in-anti-government-protests-in-iraq

We have been focusing on Hong Kong but the have been over 100 killed in Iraq in the past few weeks during the protests.  I can totally see a resurgence of ISIS or more Iranian troops moving in if we allow Turkey to kill the Kurds.

Pity about us letting a former ally get killed by a current one.  Who knows though.  The Kurds might fight back and actually act in Turkey. 

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Raptor Witness
Posted (edited)

I forecast a while back here that Trump’s greatest weapon against the intelligence community, and the American people, would be his willingness to stand down in the face of our adversaries. 

Cloaked in a simple decision, this sets the stage for further advancement into Ukraine, by Russia. 

Woe to the Kurds .... Woe to our allies .... Woe ye fools who have trusted him

The dragon of old, stirs from his slumber, awakened by a messenger, a signpost of the Darkest Doom on the Horizon.

The northern enemy raises first his eyes, then his mouth.

 

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RoofGardener
2 hours ago, Setton said:

Just having those 100 odd troops has stopped Turkey doing this for over a year. Erdogan knows he can't afford to hurt a single US soldier. Now though, he can go in without a second thought. 

And his noble plans to return these Syrian refugees? Syrian Arabs he wants to use to populate the Kurdish region. 

This is ethnic cleansing and Trump just announced he's OK with it. Utter scum. 

And  you think that the US President should risk a war, in a region 8000 miles away, because the locals are nasty brutes ? 

I mean.. why aren't you criticising him for not invading Saudi, or Iran, or Turkey, or Russia, or China ? They ALL commit far worse crimes against humanity than Turkey does. 

 Hey.. Boko Harem is slaughtering christians en masse. Lets invade Nigeria. 

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RAyMO
Posted (edited)

not surprising - considering who made the decision. But one wonders what happened during the phone call with the Turkish leader - what inducements were offered, what promises made, what threats hinted?

Petty, unfair you say - not at all, Trump can't be trusted - just ask the Kurds!

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3 hours ago, and then said:

Idiot,boy!  And what would your fire-breathing headline have been if Trump had told Erdog to pound sand?  What a waste of carbon you types have become.  You should try volunteering...or maybe get a pet or a hobby.  You may well have FIVE MORE YEARS of this emotional turmoil ahead.  One needs to pace oneself, what?

When even Lindsey Graham is calling one of Trump's actions a disaster, you should really start to reevaluate your position.

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odas
3 hours ago, and then said:

Idiot,boy!  And what would your fire-breathing headline have been if Trump had told Erdog to pound sand?  What a waste of carbon you types have become.  You should try volunteering...or maybe get a pet or a hobby.  You may well have FIVE MORE YEARS of this emotional turmoil ahead.  One needs to pace oneself, what?

Ohhh. You like erdog now all of a sudden, eh?

But, I can see why your president Putin, yes, no 45, PUTIN, made the choice. 

Allies, beware of traitor Trump. Do not trust this moron.

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2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

And  you think that the US President should risk a war, in a region 8000 miles away, because the locals are nasty brutes ?  

So the US has been risking a war for the last few years? Because US troops have been in Syria for a while now. 

Literally all the world was expecting was US troops to stay put. No risk of war, no escalation. Their presence has been enough to stop Turkey massacring their allies. 

And now Trump has given his blessing for ethnic cleansing to start. 

And all you can do is desperately try to defend him. 

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I mean.. why aren't you criticising him for not invading Saudi, or Iran, or Turkey, or Russia, or China ? They ALL commit far worse crimes against humanity than Turkey does. 

I'm not expecting him to invade anywhere. I'm expected him to stick with his allies for their protection, at no risk to the US. 

You do realise the kurds are in Syria, with US troops? Not in Turkey? Right? 

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Setton

If ever there was a time for the UK to retake a role as a global leader, this is it. 

Our closest ally has just given the green light for ethnic cleansing on a massive scale, against the people who fought on our behalf, leaving all of Europe vulnerable to a resurgent ISIS. If we stay silent now, what right do we ever have to criticise another country?

We need to get people in now to protect the kurds and deter Turkey. We can't provide the same staying power as the US but Turkey won't want to risk war with the UK either. 

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Captain Risky
5 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Hold on a minute.. the Turks are going to move their army into an area that has between 100 and 150 US military personal deployed there ? 

What are we suggesting ? That those 100-150 troops open fire on Turkish tanks ? That the US should airlift in a rapid reaction force to open fire on Turkish tanks, potentially resulting in a foreign entanglement that would make Vietnam look like a walk in the park ? 

What.. PRECISELY.. would you have had President Trump DO ? 

 

Protect your allies. Military, intelligence and politicians are all dismayed with Trumps decisions concerning the Turks for a reason. Trump has thrown Syria to the Russians, Iranians and Turks. 

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