+Hammerclaw Posted October 9, 2019 #176 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Setton said: Conveniently ignoring the functioning system of government the Kurds have... Good job no one is asking them too. All that's being asked is you don't run away and abandon your allies. But no, cowardice and betrayal, the new American ideal. With the choice between Turkey going over to the Russians or championing the lost cause of Kurdish independence, it's not a hard choice to make. The British and the French drew the map of the Middle East, denying the Kurds a homeland and threw them under the bus. It's not our job to correct your mistakes. If the UK feels so strongly about it, you're welcome to step in and take over and put your shiny new carrier to good use. ideals are what started this bloodfest. So, grab a gun, tommy and go help if you please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 9, 2019 #177 Share Posted October 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Setton said: OK deranged cultist. See post 142. Which bit do you deny happened? Lol...everything you said twisted the facts into complete horsesh!t. But, regardless of how one views the situation over there, the US has no business occupying the country. And some lily-livered British euro-punk certainly has no business scolding the US for acting in the best interests of its citizens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 9, 2019 #178 Share Posted October 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said: With the choice between Turkey going over to the Russians or championing the lost cause of Kurdish independence, it's not a hard choice to make. The British and the French drew the map of the Middle East, denying the Kurds a homeland and threw them under the bus. Agreed. I suppose its wishful thinking to expect the US to learn from history. Quote It's not our job to correct your mistakes. If the UK feels so strongly about it, you're welcome to step in and take over and put your shiny new carrier to good use. ideals are what started this bloodfest. So, grab a gun, tommy and go help if you please. Already said we should. Of course, it's also not our job to fix your mistakes. Not that you've given anyone any time to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 9, 2019 #179 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, hacktorp said: Lol...everything you said twisted the facts into complete horsesh!t. Then you should be able to dispute it with words. Like a grown up. Quote But, regardless of how one views the situation over there, the US has no business occupying the country. And the US wasn't occupying Syria. It was supporting Kurdish allies. You realise none of your troops have left Syria, right? They've just run away from their allies. Quote And some lily-livered British euro-punk certainly has no business scolding the US for acting in the best interests of its citizens. Ooh, the big tough American called me a punk. How will I cope? Wait, no, just realised criticism from a coward is a compliment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted October 9, 2019 #180 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Just now, Setton said: Agreed. I suppose its wishful thinking to expect the US to learn from history. Already said we should. Of course, it's also not our job to fix your mistakes. Not that you've given anyone any time to. We have learned from history--yours. Like you, we've had our adventure there and like you, we're getting the hell out of the place. It's been one big frakking Gallipoli for us, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 9, 2019 #181 Share Posted October 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Setton said: Ooh, the big tough American called me a punk. How will I cope? What? I get no credit for pointing out that you are also "lily-livered? I'm disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 9, 2019 #182 Share Posted October 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, hacktorp said: What? I get no credit for pointing out that you are also "lily-livered? I'm disappointed. No, that's a more a case of pot and kettle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted October 10, 2019 #183 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Anyone seen this? Trump apparently has a massive amount of business in Turkey. He, himself, in 2015 stated that he has a conflict of interest regarding Turkey. https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/nbc-reporting-reveals-the-extent-of-trump-s-business-holdings-in-turkey-70944837554 I mean how difficult would it be for Turkey to apply pressure on the President of the US when such a massive chunk of Trump's business is in that country. He's already shown that he's susceptible to blackmail with Stormy Daniels. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 10, 2019 #184 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said: Anyone seen this? Trump apparently has a massive amount of business in Turkey. He, himself, in 2015 stated that he has a conflict of interest regarding Turkey. https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/nbc-reporting-reveals-the-extent-of-trump-s-business-holdings-in-turkey-70944837554 I mean how difficult would it be for Turkey to apply pressure on the President of the US when such a massive chunk of Trump's business is in that country. He's already shown that he's susceptible to blackmail with Stormy Daniels. Possible. Personally I think it's all a distraction from the impeachment inquiries at home. Who cares if a few thousand Kurds are exterminated or a few hundred more Europeans and Brits killed by a resurgent ISIS? So long as the cult leader keeps his seat. America first, remember? Edited October 10, 2019 by Setton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynGuy Posted October 10, 2019 #185 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) . Edited October 10, 2019 by BrooklynGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted October 10, 2019 #186 Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Setton said: Possible. Personally I think it's all a distraction from the impeachment inquiries at home. Who cares if a few thousand Kurds are exterminated or a few hundred more Europeans and Brits killed by a resurgent ISIS? So long as the cult leader keeps his seat. America first, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 10, 2019 #187 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, acidhead said: Because you caused it, perhaps? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted October 10, 2019 #188 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Setton said: Because you caused it, perhaps? Or perhaps this is more up your alley: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 10, 2019 #189 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, acidhead said: Or perhaps this is more up your alley: And? So you caused a huge problem for the world but don't expect to be called out when you run back home, tail between your legs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted October 10, 2019 #190 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, Setton said: And? So you caused a huge problem for the world but don't expect to be called out when you run back home, tail between your legs? I don't see why it's the Americans responsibility to create a Nation for the communist PKK in Syria or anywhere for that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godnodog Posted October 10, 2019 #191 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I can see in the future current children becoming extreme anti-americans, and later on some ahole will claim they hate america and america's freedoms and way of life and blah blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 10, 2019 #192 Share Posted October 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, acidhead said: I don't see why it's the Americans responsibility to create a Nation for the communist PKK in Syria or anywhere for that matter Nobody is asking you to. They're just asking you not to abandon your allies that fought to solve the problem you created. And the YPG is not the same thing as the PKK. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kartikg Posted October 10, 2019 #193 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Kurds do bomb and kill innocent Turkish civilians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted October 10, 2019 #194 Share Posted October 10, 2019 On 10/10/2019 at 3:04 AM, Hammerclaw said: We have learned from history--yours. Like you, we've had our adventure there and like you, we're getting the hell out of the place. It's been one big frakking Gallipoli for us, too. The US’ actions in Syria broke the back of a terrorist organisation, one of, if not the, worst the world’s seen. Hardly a Gallipoli which was months of being slaughtered on a beach while the leadership dithered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted October 10, 2019 #195 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Setton said: Nobody is asking you to. They're just asking you not to abandon your allies that fought to solve the problem you created. And the YPG is not the same thing as the PKK. President Trump did not create ISIS. And, for the record, it was the Americans, under Trump, who helped everybody in Syria rid them of the Islamic State not the other way around. Edited October 10, 2019 by acidhead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 10, 2019 #196 Share Posted October 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, acidhead said: President Trump did not create ISIS. The US did. And he is the leader of the US. Quote And, for the record, it was the Americans, under Trump, who helped everybody in Syria rid them of the Islamic State not the other way around. Ha! That's the best defence you've got for your cowardice? ISIS was on the edge of defeat well before Trump came to power, it was the SDF that did the fighting, and the US was just one of many, many, many countries providing air cover. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted October 10, 2019 #197 Share Posted October 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, Setton said: The US did. And he is the leader of the US. Ha! That's the best defence you've got for your cowardice? ISIS was on the edge of defeat well before Trump came to power, it was the SDF that did the fighting, and the US was just one of many, many, many countries providing air cover. President Trump did not create ISIS. Previous American administrations are not the Trump administration. President Trump took over, hammered ISIS and now that the job is done there is nothing else his administration is responsible for except for the American citizen. Again buds... If you feel so strongly about Syria. Go there. Put your money where your mouth is! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 10, 2019 #198 Share Posted October 10, 2019 33 minutes ago, acidhead said: President Trump did not create ISIS. Previous American administrations are not the Trump administration. President Trump took over, hammered ISIS and now that the job is done there is nothing else his administration is responsible for except for the American citizen. Again buds... If you feel so strongly about Syria. Go there. Put your money where your mouth is! Keep telling yourself that, Colonel Runaway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted October 10, 2019 #199 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: The US’ actions in Syria broke the back of a terrorist organisation, one of, if not the, worst the world’s seen. Hardly a Gallipoli which was months of being slaughtered on a beach while the leadership dithered. I was talking about the entire Middle East--including the Gulf. The time is fast coming when it will no longer be necessary to prop up petty sheikdoms to further our national interests. Time for our impromptu mandate to end. Sometimes, in international policy, you have to weigh two friends in the balance and choose one. In this case the choice can only be Turkey, an ally and NATO member we can't afford to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted October 10, 2019 Author #200 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said: I was talking about the entire Middle East--including the Gulf. The time is fast coming when it will no longer be necessary to prop up petty sheikdoms to further our national interests. Time for our impromptu mandate to end. Sometimes, in international policy, you have to weigh two friends in the balance and choose one. In this case the choice can only be Turkey, an ally and NATO member we can't afford to lose. Well Turkey has obviously weighed up Russia and America and decided that its future is with Russia. Someone should have told Trump about that one. Then again, maybe Trump has been doing some weighing up as well and come to the conclusion that his investments in Turkey outweigh those with the Kurds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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