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The Biden's Corruption Controversy

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Robotic Jew
On 10/11/2019 at 7:35 AM, the13bats said:

As happens with trump countless times, they all do it however,

In not into politics and my dad rip 2014 89, always said he felt all politicians were crooks,

But what ive never seen before or just didn't notice was any other cadidate/potus ever who could have a more loyle following than trump, no matter what he does its over looked, downplayed or blamed on someone else, hes always the big victim he can do no wrong in the eyes of some its like a cult , has any trumper from 2016 stopped supporting him?

I had no clue Hillary might run again, I thought Biden was gonna be the one against trump, so while i believe trump will beat either one of them, man watching him up against Hillary again would be fun....

Hilary won't run again. That's just the right trying to stir up some more furor amongst their tiki torchers and distract them from the deep water their savior is currently treading water in. We are in a truly different time and TCSS is running rampant. We're in for some bad times....trust me. 

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and then
On 10/11/2019 at 9:37 AM, Desertrat56 said:

Just like the republicans.  Get it, pot calling the kettle black.  This is almost word for word the same conversation about Trump's relative or minions making deals with the Russians last year.

You'll need to explain the similarities for me.  I'm afraid I don't see them.  

The research shows that Obama made Biden his point man on Ukrainian corruption so that Biden was acting in Obama's stead on these issues.  Immediately after a loan guarantee of 1.8 billion dollars was put into effect, Hunter, John Kerry's step-son, Christopher Hines, and their friend, Devon Archer were awarded positions on the board of Burisma Gas in Ukraine.  Archer was an investment specialist but Hunter had no apparent qualifications for placement at such a level in an energy group.  Hunter is raking in about 50K per year and no one is sure what he's doing for the money.

Can you refresh my memory of Trump's family being given monthly cash payments for skill sets that have nothing to do with the needs of said companies?

I recall some uproar over Ivanka receiving multiple (5 or 7) trademark designations in China for her line of handbags and jewelry or some such.  I have no idea of the value of these trademarks but I think it is wrong for ANY member of government to put themselves in a position to be enriched by the power they were invested with by the voters.  She shouldn't have done it and it only weakens the president's position.  The fact that she had applied for these trademarks through a legitimate process that all businesses must adhere to means nothing.  It is the appearance that matters.

From what I understand, Hunter Biden broke no laws.  His supporters are quick to point this out.  Joe's misfortune is that the low info, not quite focused but bendable American politics watcher CAN understand the simple math involved with Hunter's sweet Ukrainian deal.  They KNOW this kind of stuff goes on regularly but when they have an obvious quid pro quo being demanded by the rich guy's daddy... well... it's not as easy to make them look at the next shiny object or loud noise in the room. 

Fifty thousand dollars is an ANNUAL wage for many in this country who have worked hard and educated themselves so they could move up in a company and here we have a guy whose only talent seems to be having the same last name as the Veep, getting that annual wage EVERY MONTH for doing... what, exactly?

And Joe will be seen smirking and bragging about forcing the removal, IMMEDIATELY, of a prosecutor that was looking into a potentially corrupt company that Biden's son worked for.  It's about the optics.  

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Farmer77
3 hours ago, and then said:

Can you refresh my memory of Trump's family being given monthly cash payments for skill sets that have nothing to do with the needs of said companies?

The access Ivanka gets from her position which she is wholly unqualified for is worth billions. 

 

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Golden Duck
5 hours ago, and then said:

You'll need to explain the similarities for me.  I'm afraid I don't see them.  

The research shows that Obama made Biden his point man on Ukrainian corruption so that Biden was acting in Obama's stead on these issues.  Immediately after a loan guarantee of 1.8 billion dollars was put into effect, Hunter, John Kerry's step-son, Christopher Hines, and their friend, Devon Archer were awarded positions on the board of Burisma Gas in Ukraine.  Archer was an investment specialist but Hunter had no apparent qualifications for placement at such a level in an energy group.  Hunter is raking in about 50K per year and no one is sure what he's doing for the money.

Can you refresh my memory of Trump's family being given monthly cash payments for skill sets that have nothing to do with the needs of said companies?

I recall some uproar over Ivanka receiving multiple (5 or 7) trademark designations in China for her line of handbags and jewelry or some such.  I have no idea of the value of these trademarks but I think it is wrong for ANY member of government to put themselves in a position to be enriched by the power they were invested with by the voters.  She shouldn't have done it and it only weakens the president's position.  The fact that she had applied for these trademarks through a legitimate process that all businesses must adhere to means nothing.  It is the appearance that matters.

From what I understand, Hunter Biden broke no laws.  His supporters are quick to point this out.  Joe's misfortune is that the low info, not quite focused but bendable American politics watcher CAN understand the simple math involved with Hunter's sweet Ukrainian deal.  They KNOW this kind of stuff goes on regularly but when they have an obvious quid pro quo being demanded by the rich guy's daddy... well... it's not as easy to make them look at the next shiny object or loud noise in the room. 

Fifty thousand dollars is an ANNUAL wage for many in this country who have worked hard and educated themselves so they could move up in a company and here we have a guy whose only talent seems to be having the same last name as the Veep, getting that annual wage EVERY MONTH for doing... what, exactly?

And Joe will be seen smirking and bragging about forcing the removal, IMMEDIATELY, of a prosecutor that was looking into a potentially corrupt company that Biden's son worked for.  It's about the optics.  

Does being on the board of Amtrak not count?

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Tatetopa
9 hours ago, and then said:

Archer was an investment specialist but Hunter had no apparent qualifications for placement at such a level in an energy group.  Hunter is raking in about 50K per year and no one is sure what he's doing for the money.

50K is a salary for a lot of educated middle  class people true.  But there are those 17 year old kids who make three times what Hunter does playing video games.  Do you know what they do or how they do it?  Then there are the guys who claim to make 2 million dollars trading stocks at home.   Invest in bitcoins, make a fortune   The list goes on.  As long as they do it honestly, I will not blame them for being smarter  or better connected than I am.

Everybody who has a name trades on it.  That is true for Donald Trump getting coaching, assistance and introductions to people who could help him along the way. It is certainly true for his sons.

People who don't have the grades get into Harvard and Princeton for their names.  Paris Hilton did not get where she is by her own genius.

Biden is probably the same.

That is what family fortunes and names are doing to America.  It is not and really never was a level playing field.  Yet every time somebody talks about raising inheritance taxes to slow down the growth of those fortunes and level the field a bit, hue and cry go up about socialism and communism.  

 

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BrooklynGuy

This guy, who got paid for no show jobs just like mafia members imho, had two weeks to come up with a good response and couldn't do it. :lol:

Hunter Biden breaks silence on foreign dealings

Hunter Biden defended his business dealings in Ukraine while his father, Joe Biden, was vice president — saying in a new interview that he “did nothing wrong at all,” but conceding that he displayed “poor judgment.” “In retrospect, look, I think that it was poor judgment on my part. Is that I think that it was poor judgment because I don’t believe now, when I look back on it — I know that there was — did nothing wrong at all,” the younger Biden told ABC News in a weekend interview that aired Tuesday. “However, was it poor judgment to be in the middle of something that is — it — it’s — it’s a swamp in — in — in many ways? Yeah,” the 49-year-old added.

Read more: https://nypost.com/2019/10/15/hunter-biden-breaks-silence-on-foreign-dealings/

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Farmer77

 

No matter what we think of one's politics when an expert speaks we should listen. :)

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skliss
On 10/14/2019 at 7:59 PM, Tatetopa said:

50K is a salary for a lot of educated middle  class people true. 

A correction....it was 50K a month, not a year.

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Robotic Jew

I've yet to see anyone provide even a shred of evidence that this was in some way "corrupt". People use connections to get jobs every single day all over the world. What was he or the company doing that was illegal? How did biden benefit from his son sitting on that board? how did ukraine benefit from him sitting on the board?

Lay that out and prove it to be true and I'll say arrest them and put them on trial. If all you have is "He's the VPs SON AND THEY PAID HIM A LOT!!!!" then I'm not really interested in the story. 

 

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Tatetopa
10 minutes ago, skliss said:

A correction....it was 50K a month, not a year.

Thanks.  I caught that.  I think the original post was pointing out that Hunter was pulling in an amount in a month that many middle class people make in a year.

Is it criminal that he makes more than 10x what many people do and we don't know what his qualifications are or what he does?   Coming down on every person who makes a lot of money seems more of a progressive logic than a conservative one.

That is the  only reason I object to the argument. If Hunter Biden is corrupt, let him be found out and pay whatever price is attached to his crimes.

If he is just another kid trading on family name or doing something to make money we don't understand, that is not necessarily a crime.  Paris Hilton and Kylie Jenner did not rise from obscurity and become billionaires because their cosmetics were so fantastic.  The 17 year old kid who makes $1.5 million a year playing competitive video games  or the young lady who makes as much being a YouTube "Influencer"  are not necessarily crooked or corrupt.

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BrooklynGuy

Diplomat tells investigators he raised alarms in 2015 about Hunter Biden’s Ukraine work but was rebuffed

A career State Department official overseeing Ukraine policy told congressional investigators this week that he had raised concerns in early 2015 about then-Vice President Joe Biden’s son serving on the board of a Ukrainian energy company but was turned away by a Biden staffer, according to three people familiar with the testimony. George Kent, a deputy assistant secretary of state, testified Tuesday that he worried that Hunter Biden’s position at the firm Burisma Holdings would complicate efforts by U.S. diplomats to convey to Ukrainian officials the importance of avoiding conflicts of interest.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/diplomat-tells-investigators-he-raised-alarms-in-2015-about-hunter-bidens-ukraine-work-but-was-rebuffed/2019/10/18/81e35be9-4f5a-4048-8520-0baabb18ab63_story.html

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