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On the fence about Universal Healthcare

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Desertrat56
Just now, aztek said:

that is effing sad,  good thing he never made a doctor or a nurse,  i have a cousin like that, all she cared was money, but she never made to med school either,  it requires hard work,  and she is lazy and careless, she is at a front desk  in some med office now, and i don't think she is good at it, i have a suspicion she is involved with office manager, i don't see why they would keep her otherwise

Yeah, I worked for a doctor group once and it is a sick industry across the board.

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toast
3 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Thanks for getting back to me.

You are welcome.

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Is there a difficulty having enough doctors?

Actually not but in 2018 the German Medical Council predicted a doc shortage in the near future because of the upcoming demographic change in our population (higher life expectancy).

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The internet says doctors in Germany make between 65-80k euros. That's pretty low compared to American doctors pay.

65-80k€ is the average wage of assistant doctors and medical specialists working in hospitals, senior physicians there earn up to 280k€. Much more money is made by docs who run their own medical practice, some examples (top 5): radiologist/850k, eye specialist 370k, skin doc 284k, orthopaedist 311k and surgeon 281k. These are average values, some earn more and some less, it depends on how much co-docs are working in the medical practice or private driven hospital. 2 years ago my mother had 2 eye surgeries (eye lens exchange) in the private clinic of one of the top 3 eye docs in Germany. The clinic is located at the Elbchaussee in a 30 room 150yo villa with a big park and in mint conditions (value something around 10M€) and I`m sure the the clinic owner makes millions a year. And yes, the treatment was covered by the statutory health insurance.

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Given how much school a doctor needs does Germany run into a shortages of medical staff?

The amount of school isnt the problem, on the contrary. We still have more people who want to study medicine than we have study places, even if we have a very high Numerus Clausus* of 1.0 (grading system 1 to 6, 1.0 is best) for the approval for medical studies. As for the shortage, see 2nd comment above.

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* The numerus clausus is used in Germany to address overcrowding at universities. There are local admission restrictions, which are set up for a particular degree program (Studiengang) at the university's discretion, and nationwide admission restrictions in medicine, dentistry, veterinary medicine, and pharmacy.[2][3] Not all degree programs restrict admissions.[4] The most common admission criterion is the final grade of the university entrance qualification, that is the high school completion certificate formally allowing the applicant to study at a German university. Typically, this is the Abitur. The final grade takes into account the grades of the final exams as well as the course grades. In colloquial usage, numerus clausus may also refer to the lowest admitted grade in this process. Other criteria, e.g. interviews, are increasingly common as well.[5]

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spartan max2
16 minutes ago, toast said:

You are welcome.

Actually not but in 2018 the German Medical Council predicted a doc shortage in the near future because of the upcoming demographic change in our population (higher life expectancy).

65-80k€ is the average wage of assistant doctors and medical specialists working in hospitals, senior physicians there earn up to 280k€. Much more money is made by docs who run their own medical practice, some examples (top 5): radiologist/850k, eye specialist 370k, skin doc 284k, orthopaedist 311k and surgeon 281k. These are average values, some earn more and some less, it depends on how much co-docs are working in the medical practice or private driven hospital. 2 years ago my mother had 2 eye surgeries (eye lens exchange) in the private clinic of one of the top 3 eye docs in Germany. The clinic is located at the Elbchaussee in a 30 room 150yo villa with a big park and in mint conditions (value something around 10M€) and I`m sure the the clinic owner makes millions a year. And yes, the treatment was covered by the statutory health insurance.

The amount of school isnt the problem, on the contrary. We still have more people who want to study medicine than we have study places, even if we have a very high Numerus Clausus* of 1.0 (grading system 1 to 6, 1.0 is best) for the approval for medical studies. As for the shortage, see 2nd comment above.

 

Ah I see, I looked back at my link and see I didn't read it all the way.

https://www.howtogermany.com/pages/international-doctors.html

It says the "chief physicians make 278k average. 

I'm not sure how that compares to U.S pay.

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