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The War on Faith in America

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Dark_Grey
10 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Do you think religion is being trampled on in the U.S.?  And I don't mean by other religions, which is what I see.  Do you actually think non-religious are trampling on religious?  And if so, please give some examples.

"trampled" might be too strong a word. I think as we move closer towards a technocracy, religion is increasingly being pushed aside. "De-prioritized". The framework of Christian principles that many laws were based on are being superseded by a weird progressive agenda. In some ways this is a good thing (gay acceptance), in other ways it's harmful (sexualizing children, promoting deviant behavior). 

I think religion is necessary to keep society from going off the moral deep end. Religion provides a common set of "ground rules" that all of society can follow. When you remove that set of rules, it must be replaced with something universally agreed upon and preferably something morally sound. The way I see it, our society is currently experiencing a "moral free fall": there is no bottom to progressive morality because there is always another victim. There is always someone who feels oppressed, whether or not it's justified. 

It was very obvious to me where we were headed when the trans-bathroom debate first came up. Most people are caring, sympathetic creatures so we allowed the fringe progressives to steer the ship for a while. Within 5 years they steered that ship in to the rocks and now we have 12 year old boys with painted faces twerking in front of grown men. This went down hill really fast and like I said, there is no bottom as morality is subjective. It's going to keep getting worse until we as a society establish a new set of ground rules to replace the religious ones we tossed aside. 

I'm sure there are plenty of philosophical books and articles out there that cover this. What is the new religion and what are it's rules? You can't remove something so integrated in to society without replacing it with something of value.

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Desertrat56
23 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

"trampled" might be too strong a word. I think as we move closer towards a technocracy, religion is increasingly being pushed aside. "De-prioritized". The framework of Christian principles that many laws were based on are being superseded by a weird progressive agenda. In some ways this is a good thing (gay acceptance), in other ways it's harmful (sexualizing children, promoting deviant behavior). 

I think religion is necessary to keep society from going off the moral deep end. Religion provides a common set of "ground rules" that all of society can follow. When you remove that set of rules, it must be replaced with something universally agreed upon and preferably something morally sound. The way I see it, our society is currently experiencing a "moral free fall": there is no bottom to progressive morality because there is always another victim. There is always someone who feels oppressed, whether or not it's justified. 

It was very obvious to me where we were headed when the trans-bathroom debate first came up. Most people are caring, sympathetic creatures so we allowed the fringe progressives to steer the ship for a while. Within 5 years they steered that ship in to the rocks and now we have 12 year old boys with painted faces twerking in front of grown men. This went down hill really fast and like I said, there is no bottom as morality is subjective. It's going to keep getting worse until we as a society establish a new set of ground rules to replace the religious ones we tossed aside. 

I'm sure there are plenty of philosophical books and articles out there that cover this. What is the new religion and what are it's rules? You can't remove something so integrated in to society without replacing it with something of value.

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But this country was founded on freedom of religion and your belief that our laws were based on christian pricipals is incorrect.  It gets tiresome for the christians to keep claiming this is Their Country.  It isn't, it is all of our country and it has never been a "Chrisitan country".  

Your idea that religion is necessary for society to keep going  is also incorrect. 

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BrooklynGuy
59 minutes ago, Dark_Grey said:

"trampled" might be too strong a word. I think as we move closer towards a technocracy, religion is increasingly being pushed aside. "De-prioritized". The framework of Christian principles that many laws were based on are being superseded by a weird progressive agenda. In some ways this is a good thing (gay acceptance), in other ways it's harmful (sexualizing children, promoting deviant behavior). 

I think religion is necessary to keep society from going off the moral deep end. Religion provides a common set of "ground rules" that all of society can follow. When you remove that set of rules, it must be replaced with something universally agreed upon and preferably something morally sound. The way I see it, our society is currently experiencing a "moral free fall": there is no bottom to progressive morality because there is always another victim. There is always someone who feels oppressed, whether or not it's justified. 

It was very obvious to me where we were headed when the trans-bathroom debate first came up. Most people are caring, sympathetic creatures so we allowed the fringe progressives to steer the ship for a while. Within 5 years they steered that ship in to the rocks and now we have 12 year old boys with painted faces twerking in front of grown men. This went down hill really fast and like I said, there is no bottom as morality is subjective. It's going to keep getting worse until we as a society establish a new set of ground rules to replace the religious ones we tossed aside. 

I'm sure there are plenty of philosophical books and articles out there that cover this. What is the new religion and what are it's rules? You can't remove something so integrated in to society without replacing it with something of value.

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Excellent points Dark_Grey and I think trampled is the correct adjective. It will be interesting to see what happens now that we have moved away from what is best for society as a whole, such as family, work, faith, etc., to the it's all about me and my immediate needs cancer we see today. Thankfully the decline has been slow, despite the tireless efforts of the far left and the fake news media, and the inevitable collapse of the country will hopefully come long after you and I are gone imho.

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and then
On 10/18/2019 at 6:43 AM, Robotic Jew said:

Governments shouldn't tell people what to think or believe. Humans need to be smart enough to realize for themselves that these ancient superstitions are only holding us back.

That's a common opinion but I'd think the fast decreasing numbers of religious types would give some pause.  The numbers are falling steadily so I'm not sure how that is "holding back" progress.  If the numbers were stable or increasing I could see the logic in the statement.  Church membership has been shrinking for years.  

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Desertrat56

@Dark_Grey You never did give me any examples of religious being trampled or down trodden by non-religious.  The thing about the Trans bathrooms had nothing to do with religion.  So, what is an actual example, because I still don't' believe it.

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BrooklynGuy
5 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

@Dark_Grey You never did give me any examples of religious being trampled or down trodden by non-religious.  The thing about the Trans bathrooms had nothing to do with religion.  So, what is an actual example, because I still don't' believe it.

He's busy carving up a few farrrrrr lefty libs on the other trump is bad threads. Take a minute and go back and read his posts, he has given examples. I can only surmise that but because you have a different viewpoint than him you have dismiss them. Thankfully we are still free to think as we wish, but socialism is on the horizon and the next stop after that is communism. :st

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Desertrat56
24 minutes ago, BrooklynGuy said:

He's busy carving up a few farrrrrr lefty libs on the other trump is bad threads. Take a minute and go back and read his posts, he has given examples. I can only surmise that but because you have a different viewpoint than him you have dismiss them. Thankfully we are still free to think as we wish, but socialism is on the horizon and the next stop after that is communism. :st

Nope, I went back and re-read all his posts in this thread and he never gave one example of non-religious downtrodding religious people. 

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BrooklynGuy
57 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Nope, I went back and re-read all his posts in this thread and he never gave one example of non-religious downtrodding religious people. 

Desertrat56, Here is an example from a poster on this board  from the 1st page of the thread "War against imaginary friend *cough* I mean god."

Here is my point. Dark-Grey referenced the gay couple who wanted a wedding cake. It would be wrong for me to belittle that couple for being gay and for me to refuse them service, because my belief is those two folks deserve the same rights you and I have and should be able to live and love in peace. It would also be wrong for me to belittle or denigrate someone who is an atheist or agnostic as they two just want the same rights to believe as they see fit and to live and love in peace. As a person of Faith I can tell you that the comment above is just as hurtful to people of faith as calling a gay/lesbian human being a slur. It would also be wrong for me to expect an atheist or agnostic to understand the comfort people find in their Faith. Let's assume for a minute that the shop owner in fact does have a deep belief in God that gives him great comfort and because of his literal interpretation of some passages in the bible, even though I don't personally agree with it, he feels compelled to refuse them service. But as a citizen and private business owner shouldn't he have the right to follow his beliefs. I shouldn't belittle or denigrate him either. Here is an easy one, the Clerk in Kentucky who worked for the government who refused to give gay and lesbian couples a marriage licence. Now she was clearly wrong to do so as a government employee. Should we belittle or denigrate her for her beliefs or chosen way of life, I don't think we should. Let me tell you a quick story. I grew up in Brooklyn in 50's and 60's and my Grandparents were straight off the boat from Calabria in 1909 and couldn't speak a lick of English and my parents, God bless their souls, weren't able to master the English language either. My Dad got a good job and we were able to eventually move out of our small apartment in Bensonhurst into a small home just north of the city into a mostly Irish Catholic neighborhood. As my Parents were in the process of buying the house a few Irish Catholic families in that neighborhood went around with a petition to keep the "Mafia Criminal Greaser Wops" out of the neighborhood. My Dad worked for GE not the Gambinos and were Catholic for goodness sake :lol: My point is this, one struggling group of folks trying to keep another struggling group of folks down only serves to keep all of us down.

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Desertrat56
5 minutes ago, BrooklynGuy said:

Desertrat56, Here is an example from a poster on this board  from the 1st page of the thread "War against imaginary friend *cough* I mean god."

Here is my point. Dark-Grey referenced the gay couple who wanted a wedding cake. It would be wrong for me to belittle that couple for being gay and for me to refuse them service, because my belief is those two folks deserve the same rights you and I have and should be able to live and love in peace. It would also be wrong for me to belittle or denigrate someone who is an atheist or agnostic as they two just want the same rights to believe as they see fit and to live and love in peace. As a person of Faith I can tell you that the comment above is just as hurtful to people of faith as calling a gay/lesbian human being a slur. It would also be wrong for me to expect an atheist or agnostic to understand the comfort people find in their Faith. Let's assume for a minute that the shop owner in fact does have a deep belief in God that gives him great comfort and because of his literal interpretation of some passages in the bible, even though I don't personally agree with it, he feels compelled to refuse them service. But as a citizen and private business owner shouldn't he have the right to follow his beliefs. I shouldn't belittle or denigrate him either. Here is an easy one, the Clerk in Kentucky who worked for the government who refused to give gay and lesbian couples a marriage licence. Now she was clearly wrong to do so as a government employee. Should we belittle or denigrate her for her beliefs or chosen way of life, I don't think we should. Let me tell you a quick story. I grew up in Brooklyn in 50's and 60's and my Grandparents were straight off the boat from Calabria in 1909 and couldn't speak a lick of English and my parents, God bless their souls, weren't able to master the English language either. My Dad got a good job and we were able to eventually move out of our small apartment in Bensonhurst into a small home just north of the city into a mostly Irish Catholic neighborhood. As my Parents were in the process of buying the house a few Irish Catholic families in that neighborhood went around with a petition to keep the "Mafia Criminal Greaser Wops" out of the neighborhood. My Dad worked for GE not the Gambinos and were Catholic for goodness sake :lol: My point is this, one struggling group of folks trying to keep another struggling group of folks down only serves to keep all of us down.

You still don't mention how a non religious group or person has tred on the right of a religious person.  In your personal story it was Irish Catholics  and it could have been their Irish or their catholic ideas that caused them to act the way they did, no non-religious person in that story.

As for the infamous cake incident, I am appalled that it even was allowed to get to court.  But again, it is a demonstration of a religious person being disrespectful of another person, who we don't know whether they are religious or not as the sexual orientation is emphasized but  has nothing to do with whether they are religious or not.  So far I still don't see a good example of religious people being put upon by non religious.  There is some politics that I think is irrelevant as well since it is incendiary on both sides and both extremes that have nothing to do with religion, much less reality or how people in each neighborhood gets along with their neighbors. 

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odas
5 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

Internal religious battles can exist while religion is externally being trampled on. Those concepts aren't exclusive.

The only ones who truly trample religion - are the overly religious themself.

Catholics and orthodox on the balkans do not even wish each other Marry Christmas because they are on different days and they consider the "other" Christmas as "theirs not ours".

Do not get me started on the Shia and Sunnies. Even worse.

And Jews are right behind.

The worst enemy of ones religion is the religious himself.

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odas
2 hours ago, BrooklynGuy said:

He's busy carving up a few farrrrrr lefty libs on the other trump is bad threads. Take a minute and go back and read his posts, he has given examples. I can only surmise that but because you have a different viewpoint than him you have dismiss them. Thankfully we are still free to think as we wish, but socialism is on the horizon and the next stop after that is communism. :st

So in communism you are not free to think what you want?

Yes, I can see that. At least under christian, jewish and islamic strict rule you are allowed to think and will not end in hell, or burned, or stoned or...what the hell am I smoking?

 

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BrooklynGuy
5 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

You still don't mention how a non religious group or person has tred on the right of a religious person.  In your personal story it was Irish Catholics  and it could have been their Irish or their catholic ideas that caused them to act the way they did, no non-religious person in that story.

As for the infamous cake incident, I am appalled that it even was allowed to get to court.  But again, it is a demonstration of a religious person being disrespectful of another person, who we don't know whether they are religious or not as the sexual orientation is emphasized but  has nothing to do with whether they are religious or not.  So far I still don't see a good example of religious people being put upon by non religious.  There is some politics that I think is irrelevant as well since it is incendiary on both sides and both extremes that have nothing to do with religion, much less reality or how people in each neighborhood gets along with their neighbors. 

We will have to agree to disagree my tenacious friend. I have a question for you and all the good folks from all walks of life on here. Now there is to be no cheating you can't use google or any other search  engine to find the answer. ;)

What famous person said this:"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live as if there isn't and to die to find out that there is."

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Desertrat56
3 minutes ago, BrooklynGuy said:

We will have to agree to disagree my tenacious friend. I have a question for you and all the good folks from all walks of life on here. Now there is to be no cheating you can't use google or any other search  engine to find the answer. ;)

What famous person said this:"I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live as if there isn't and to die to find out that there is."

I have no clue.

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BrooklynGuy
Just now, Desertrat56 said:

I have no clue.

I agree ;)

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Desertrat56
Just now, BrooklynGuy said:

I agree ;)

I could guess, probably someone like Roy Rogers or Audy Murphey.

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BrooklynGuy
22 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I could guess, probably someone like Roy Rogers or Audy Murphey.

Albert Camus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Camus

Since we are just having fun passing the time how about this riddle: The Trumpster is stranded on deserted island and waiting to be rescued. He is being chased by Democratic cannibals and has to get across a foot bridge made of branches and vines and cut the vines so the cannibals can't catch him and eat him. But there is no food on the other side of the bridge and he won't be rescued for a few days so he has to take 3 five pound fish with him. Now this footbridge will only hold 350 pounds and the Dufus in Chief weighs 340 pounds, and the 3 fish weigh a total of 15 pounds. How does he get across the bridge with all 3 fish that never leave his possession in one trip?

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Phaeton80

The war on faith in America

The war on faith by America..

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The global pandemic of anti-Muslim genocidal violence

The last two decades have seen an astonishing escalation in mass violence against Muslims across vastly separated geographies. While its true impact remains officially unknown, collating data across multiple studies suggests that at least 1 million and as many as 6 million Muslims may have been directly and indirectly killed since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, through a sequence of inter-state wars, civil conflicts, and military interventions involving major powers, as well as Muslim and non-Muslim regimes.
 

Although death toll figures are often hotly contested due to their moral and political implications, even the most conservative figures demonstrate a colossal scale of deaths, raising urgent questions about the legitimacy of Western and non-Western militarism.

The escalation suggests that this uptick in mass violence in different parts of the world, many instances of which are genocidal in character, is not an unhappy coincidence but rather a product of a wider pattern of relationships integral to the way the modern world system has developed.

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-global-pandemic-of-anti-muslim-genocidal-violence-c9e735d4575e

 

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BrooklynGuy

Some interesting questions raised in this piece imho.

The Democratic Party's Christian problem

People on the left are outraged when you question their patriotism, their dedication to the nation as founded and their respect for the Constitution as originally written, but they continually vindicate our concerns. The most recent example is the left's unhinged mania at Judge Amy Coney Barrett's inclusion on President Trump's list of potential Supreme Court appointees. In times of perceived crisis -- and this is certainly one of those times for leftists -- they show their colors, and you can color them militantly opposed to Barrett, in large part because of her Catholicism. And guess what else. Rumor is that she frequents a Bible study, as well.

Read more: https://www.thespectrum.com/story/opinion/2018/07/11/liberal-left-waging-war-against-christian-ideals/775740002/

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Rlyeh
On 10/23/2019 at 6:09 AM, ethereal_scout said:

I'm for religion the difficulty is that it exists to be an aid to the understood. Those who can't understand things (ie Satanists) just exist destroy what they can't understand.

Really, Satanists?  When, where?

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Robotic Jew
16 hours ago, and then said:

That's a common opinion but I'd think the fast decreasing numbers of religious types would give some pause.  The numbers are falling steadily so I'm not sure how that is "holding back" progress.  If the numbers were stable or increasing I could see the logic in the statement.  Church membership has been shrinking for years.  

Because the dying always fight the hardest.

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Raptor Witness

If someone said that an ancient race from beyond the earth planted this garden on this particular carbon and H2O rich planet, that story would not sound so unbelievable, to this age of men.

However, if the garden was not only planted, but the carbon and the water were added first, then the drama is even more amazing.

In the future, when life is replaced with mechanical engineering, would it be so different from what we see now in our own bodies?

When the truth is finally revealed here on earth, it will not shatter the faith of those who understand the reason for the story of obtaining a new body, rather, it will explain why this is necessary for interstellar travel.

The story of why you would need a new body to survive into eternity, should be told more often. 

 You watch Game of Thrones, and you hear “first of his name,“ and you forget that that’s what Jesus is, not was.

Without a new body, you have no chance of survival, so the King of the Resurrection should be worshiped and obeyed, if anything on the gamble that the story is greater than fiction.

Organized religion is an abject failure, but the Mentor of Life, is very real.

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Just reading all this and thinking......   I can easily understand how someone could violate my rights...but I can't seem to understand how anyone could violate my beliefs.     (know what I mean?)

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On October 24, 2019 at 1:47 PM, Desertrat56 said:

But this country was founded on freedom of religion and your belief that our laws were based on christian pricipals is incorrect.  It gets tiresome for the christians to keep claiming this is Their Country.  It isn't, it is all of our country and it has never been a "Chrisitan country".  

Your idea that religion is necessary for society to keep going  is also incorrect. 

I think I can agree with all of that....  But I believe some sort of morality is necessary to keep humanity from self destruction?

a morality based on empathy and understanding ?  Dare I say Love?   It seems that word is becoming a nonsensical word to many people...love is just chemicals in the brain after all ? It's all very scientific and heartless. ;)

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Raptor Witness
11 minutes ago, lightly said:

Just reading all this and thinking......   I can easily understand how someone could violate my rights...but I can't seem to understand how anyone could violate my beliefs.     (know what I mean?)

Amen ....

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Desertrat56
1 hour ago, lightly said:

I think I can agree with all of that....  But I believe some sort of morality is necessary to keep humanity from self destruction?

a morality based on empathy and understanding ?  Dare I say Love?   It seems that word is becoming a nonsensical word to many people...love is just chemicals in the brain after all ? It's all very scientific and heartless. ;)

True, but high morals are rarely taught in church.  Too much cognitive dissonance to even get a grip on what is really taught in church and most atheists spend a lot of time teaching their children what they believe is morally correct without any fear of some deity smiting them for any mis-step or breaking of imaginary rules that have nothing to do with being kind, loving and helpful.

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