Popular Post XenoFish Posted October 21, 2019 Popular Post #1 Share Posted October 21, 2019 This has been something that has been pestering me for years now. I often read a claims of some extraordinary ability. Seeing ghost, telepathy, psychokinesis, etc. Whenever it is suggested that they offer to be studied, they refuse. Why? I mean if they can literally produce some supernatural/paranormal/psychic effect. Then they could change the worlds view on human biology and physics, yet nothing. It is almost if is the claim was false to begin with. So why bother making a claim in the first place? Do anyone else think about it this way? How such abilities would benefit humanities view of nearly everything. And why supposed gifted people never change the skeptics minds. 7 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jodie.Lynne Posted October 21, 2019 Popular Post #2 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Whenever it is suggested that they offer to be studied, they refuse. Why? I mean if they can literally produce some supernatural/paranormal/psychic effect. Then they could change the worlds view on human biology and physics, yet nothing. Because it is bush-wa, and they know it. Faith healers? Heal an amputee. Prognosticators? Give an exact date, time, location, and the people involved. Mind readers? Give me a verbatim transcript of what you read in my mind, not a vague "feeling". OBE practitioners? I have a piece of paper taped to my front door, with two words on it. Tell me what they are. Telekinetics? Allow actual scientists and/or engineers to set up the test area. Do your thing. Element benders (fire, earth, water, fire ) ? Same as for telekinetics. Mediums ( those that speak with the dead ) ? Same as Prognosticators: you damn well better give me exact information, that only the deceased and I know. The muggles believe this crappe, because they choose to ignore reality. 13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeGorilla Posted October 21, 2019 #3 Share Posted October 21, 2019 It isn't proven because there isn't any proof. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted October 21, 2019 #4 Share Posted October 21, 2019 One amazing thing, is that those who bluster against the supernatural, are more fascinated by it, than those who know it is real ! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post XenoFish Posted October 21, 2019 Author Popular Post #5 Share Posted October 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said: Because it is bush-wa, and they know it. Faith healers? Heal an amputee. Prognosticators? Give an exact date, time, location, and the people involved. Mind readers? Give me a verbatim transcript of what you read in my mind, not a vague "feeling". OBE practitioners? I have a piece of paper taped to my front door, with two words on it. Tell me what they are. Telekinetics? Allow actual scientists and/or engineers to set up the test area. Do your thing. Element benders (fire, earth, water, fire ) ? Same as for telekinetics. Mediums ( those that speak with the dead ) ? Same as Prognosticators: you damn well better give me exact information, that only the deceased and I know. The muggles believe this crappe, because they choose to ignore reality. I fully agree. But why make a claim if you're not willing to prove a lot of people wrong? To me that is just an attention getting exercise. A telepathy or telekinetic could rewrite biology and physics. If psychic mediums were real, then why are there still unsolved crimes or even missing person for that matter. It makes them seem delusion or mentally ill. I think people believe in such things because life is painfully mundane. They need something extraordinary to spice it up. 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post +Liquid Gardens Posted October 21, 2019 Popular Post #6 Share Posted October 21, 2019 43 minutes ago, XenoFish said: This has been something that has been pestering me for years now. I often read a claims of some extraordinary ability. Seeing ghost, telepathy, psychokinesis, etc. Whenever it is suggested that they offer to be studied, they refuse. Why? I mean if they can literally produce some supernatural/paranormal/psychic effect. Then they could change the worlds view on human biology and physics, yet nothing. "It doesn't work that way" 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 21, 2019 Author #7 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Liquid Gardens said: "It doesn't work that way" That's my favorite line. 3 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted October 21, 2019 #8 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, XenoFish said: That's my favorite line. You hear it a lot... 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 21, 2019 Author #9 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said: You hear it a lot... Way to often. Don't we get some psychic here making predictions on a weekly basis that amount to nothing? Same goes for someone claiming to speak to spirits. I mean with all these psychically active people, why hasn't a single one shut the skeptics up. It should be easy. Edited October 21, 2019 by XenoFish 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 21, 2019 Author #10 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) Think about it LG. You put Walker to task. Three letter word it was? He didn't bother. I even did my own test and no one got it right. Edited October 21, 2019 by XenoFish 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted October 21, 2019 #11 Share Posted October 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, XenoFish said: I fully agree. But why make a claim if you're not willing to prove a lot of people wrong? To me that is just an attention getting exercise. A telepathy or telekinetic could rewrite biology and physics. If psychic mediums were real, then why are there still unsolved crimes or even missing person for that matter. It makes them seem delusion or mentally ill. I think people believe in such things because life is painfully mundane. They need something extraordinary to spice it up. ^^^^^ THIS, every thing about this, I agree with. How many times do 'tweeners show up here, claiming that they have the paranormal ability of "empathy"? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stiff Posted October 21, 2019 Popular Post #12 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Once again... I knew you were going to start this thread. My dead grandfather told me. It even broke my concentration when I was levitating a cup. 1 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 21, 2019 Author #13 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Jodie.Lynne said: ^^^^^ THIS, every thing about this, I agree with. How many times do 'tweeners show up here, claiming that they have the paranormal ability of "empathy"? That's my pet peeve. I have to bite my tongue 99.999999% of the time when I see the word empathy or empath show up in a thread. Mirror neurons folks, it's all mirror neurons. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted October 21, 2019 #14 Share Posted October 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said: Because it is bush-wa, and they know it. Faith healers? Heal an amputee. Prognosticators? Give an exact date, time, location, and the people involved. Mind readers? Give me a verbatim transcript of what you read in my mind, not a vague "feeling". OBE practitioners? I have a piece of paper taped to my front door, with two words on it. Tell me what they are. Telekinetics? Allow actual scientists and/or engineers to set up the test area. Do your thing. Element benders (fire, earth, water, fire ) ? Same as for telekinetics. Mediums ( those that speak with the dead ) ? Same as Prognosticators: you damn well better give me exact information, that only the deceased and I know. The muggles believe this crappe, because they choose to ignore reality. To be fair, mediums are suppose to be vauge feelings and images. I read a book once about a researcher who decided to get trained in it. The ones who aren't scam artist ( as in they honestly believe they are actually doing it) are trained to interpret the images and feelings that pop up in their hear as being communicated to them from the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted October 21, 2019 #15 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Stiff said: Once again... I knew you were going to start this thread. My dead grandfather told me. It even broke my concentration when I was levitating a cup. Did you feel that? It was a telekinetic head slap.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 21, 2019 Author #16 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Stiff said: Once again... I knew you were going to start this thread. My dead grandfather told me. It even broke my concentration when I was levitating a cup. I'm sending you a telepathic message as we speak, kaeps ew sa egassem cihtapelet a uoy gnidens m'I 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodie.Lynne Posted October 21, 2019 #17 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, spartan max2 said: The ones who aren't scam artist Name one who ISN'T a scam artist.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 21, 2019 Author #18 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, spartan max2 said: To be fair, mediums are suppose to be vauge feelings and images. I read a book once about a researcher who decided to get trained in it. The ones who aren't scam artist ( as in they honestly believe they are actually doing it) are trained to interpret the images and feelings that pop up in their hear as being communicated to them from the other side. Isn't that the subconscious putting something that makes sense together? Doesn't mean that it is actually paranormal or supernatural. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted October 21, 2019 #19 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: Same goes for someone claiming to speak to spirits. It's especially rich when you get the lauding of how great and meaningful these powers are, how science is so short-sighted and biased, etc, yet when you ask for a demonstration of their powers you either get: I know it is true so I have no need or desire to demonstrate it by attempting any test. "I'm in contact with a spirit... I'm getting an 'M'... does anyone know any dead people whose name starts with an 'M'?" 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 21, 2019 Author #20 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Liquid Gardens said: It's especially rich when you get the lauding of how great and meaningful these powers are, how science is so short-sighted and biased, etc, yet when you ask for a demonstration of their powers you either get: I know it is true so I have no need or desire to demonstrate it by attempting any test. "I'm in contact with a spirit... I'm getting an 'M'... does anyone know any dead people whose name starts with an 'M'?" Exactly. Proving it would solve so many arguments. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiff Posted October 21, 2019 #21 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said: Did you feel that? It was a telekinetic head slap.... Ouch 5 minutes ago, XenoFish said: I'm sending you a telepathic message as we speak, kaeps ew sa egassem cihtapelet a uoy gnidens m'I Nope, my Babel fish has drowned in a sea of Gobbledygook. We're going to need a more common language. ETA: Doh! I just got it! I just got it! Edited October 21, 2019 by Stiff 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted October 21, 2019 #22 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: This has been something that has been pestering me for years now. I often read a claims of some extraordinary ability. Seeing ghost, telepathy, psychokinesis, etc. Whenever it is suggested that they offer to be studied, they refuse. My assessment is that most such people are co-operative. 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: I mean if they can literally produce some supernatural/paranormal/psychic effect. Then they could change the worlds view on human biology and physics, yet nothing. It is almost if is the claim was false to begin with. So why bother making a claim in the first place? IMO: Psychic abilities are a weak but real human ability so studies have essentially proven the abilities through fantastic odds against chance. I've heard also of people performing telekinesis also repeatedly under controlled conditions, The more dramatic paranormal stuff is spontaneous so not subject to controlled testing. 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: And why supposed gifted people never change the skeptics minds. Most people are not of aware of the quality of the scientific evidence for psychic functioning because academia and the hard sciences have a materialist bent. Some hard-core skeptics have dug in to fight forever for personal reasons. Edited October 21, 2019 by papageorge1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted October 21, 2019 #23 Share Posted October 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Isn't that the subconscious putting something that makes sense together? Doesn't mean that it is actually paranormal or supernatural. Yeah. I was just pointing out to Jodie that believers of mediums would not count his proof test as valid because they don't expect it to be able to give exact information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 21, 2019 Author #24 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 minute ago, papageorge1 said: Most people are not of aware of the quality of the scientific evidence for psychic functioning because academia and the hard sciences have a materialist bent. Some hard-core skeptics have dug in to fight forever. Then why to you and others of your bend fail to display this supposed 'proof'? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted October 21, 2019 #25 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, XenoFish said: Then why to you and others of your bend fail to display this supposed 'proof'? We do. We can't control your acceptance. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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