Kismit Posted October 23, 2019 #51 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Warnings will be issued to posters who continually post insulting remarks. posters are expected to discuss the topic and not sling muck at each other. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted October 23, 2019 #52 Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Setton said: Obviously, I'm sure you'll be tracing CIA involvement in their creation back to 2004 so the Bush administration. 2004 is when ISIS joined Al Qaeda, they were created back in 1999 during the Clinton administration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted October 24, 2019 #53 Share Posted October 24, 2019 2 hours ago, hacktorp said: I think you mean that you will "stay ignorant" until the "facts" support your hoped-for narrative. Which means you will stay ignorant pretty much forever. No Hacktorp, I just want some facts. Think about it. You are the one grasping at straws and creating international CIA conspiracies to spin some goodness for your hero. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hankenhunter Posted October 24, 2019 #54 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) Time for a little humor. Stephen King Compares Donald Trump To Cthulhu; Cthulhu Issues Angry Denial https://www.fark.com/goto/10598015/www.huffpost.com/entry/stephen-king-donald-trump-cthulhu_n_57d77e19e4b0fbd4b7bb4540%3Futm_source%3Df Edited October 25, 2019 by Daughter of the Nine Moons font size 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted October 24, 2019 #55 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Go ahead, genius. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted October 24, 2019 #56 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/22/2019 at 5:29 PM, Setton said: They moved 50 (I think) who were in the incursion area to start with. Since then they've had to evacuate everyone out of Syria, which is about 1000. Thanks for that @Setton On 10/22/2019 at 10:03 PM, Setton said: Oh, really? Please enlighten me. Well, Saudi might have been involved (though not at a governmental level) way back in the early days. Since then, Quatar is in the frame, but the bulk of ISIS's money came from pillaging the territory they conquered. (such as banks, oilfields etc). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_ISIL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 24, 2019 #57 Share Posted October 24, 2019 8 hours ago, RoofGardener said: Thanks for that @Setton Well, Saudi might have been involved (though not at a governmental level) way back in the early days. Since then, Quatar is in the frame, but the bulk of ISIS's money came from pillaging the territory they conquered. (such as banks, oilfields etc). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_ISIL The question was who funded them, not how they raised their own funds. Apparently it was all the CIA But yes, I shouldn't have missed Qatar. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton80 Posted October 24, 2019 #58 Share Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) What kind of criminal bullsh* is this?! Quote It's Official: Trump Says US Keeping Syria's Oil, Secured By "Small Number" Of Troops "Now we're getting out... let someone else fight over this long bloodstained sand," President Trump said during a major, unannounced speech from the White House declaring America's "big success" in Syria. As we predicted, he confirmed the US is "getting out" but it's not quite the reality, because he also confirmed a "small number" of American troops will stay in Syria to protect oil in the region. "We have secured the oil and, therefore, a small number of U.S. Troops will remain in the area where they have the oil," Trump said. "And we're going to be protecting it, and we'll be deciding what we're going to do with it in the future." https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1187032473798094849/video/1 https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/its-official-trump-says-us-keeping-syrias-oil-secured-small-number-troops All (false) pretences gone; the real identity, real intentions are utterly clear, if they werent already. Someone has to act against this rogue criminal US regime.. Then again, I suspect it wont take too long before this empire implodes completely by itsself. Oh well, what goes around will hopefully come around. Edited October 24, 2019 by Phaeton80 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted October 25, 2019 #59 Share Posted October 25, 2019 14 hours ago, Setton said: The question was who funded them, not how they raised their own funds. Apparently it was all the CIA But yes, I shouldn't have missed Qatar. Well, you could argue that for the most part - and as their momentum grew in Iraq - they funded themselves ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton80 Posted October 25, 2019 #60 Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/22/2019 at 4:14 PM, RoofGardener said: To directly answer your question: Trump has said/done that zero times. 500 US troops have already left since 7 days ago. https://www.vox.com/2019/10/21/20924757/syria-news-iraq-fruit-troops-trump And as expected, yet another flip flop! Un be lievable this guy. Quote US to deploy more troops to eastern Syria to secure oilfields The United States will station additional forces in eastern Syria to protect oilfields in another policy shift that one former senior American official called a "shocking ignorance" of history and geography. The planned reinforcement will take place in coordination with the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to prevent the oilfields from falling into the hands of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), a Pentagon statement said. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/deploy-troops-eastern-syrian-secure-oil-fields-191025022517393.html I have never, ever seen any president who is so utterly unreliable, so utterly disingenuous.. makes Bush W look like a savior. Hes like a bloody schizophrenic. Lets appreciate the context as well, blatantly robbing a sovereign nations oil (still under the guise of fighting ISIS, after claiming ISIS was completely defeated.. by the USA [lmfao!]). What an idiocracy that nation has become.. Think I will call you mr Zero Times from now on. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted October 25, 2019 #61 Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/23/2019 at 4:29 PM, RoofGardener said: You can't count Korea.. that was a "Police Action" Ding Ding Ding, you are correct in the beginning it was considered a Police Action, but that changed as time went on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted October 25, 2019 #62 Share Posted October 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said: Ding Ding Ding, you are correct in the beginning it was considered a Police Action, but that changed as time went on. Surely you're not suggesting that MASH (the TV show) was WRONG ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 25, 2019 #63 Share Posted October 25, 2019 5 hours ago, RoofGardener said: Well, you could argue that for the most part - and as their momentum grew in Iraq - they funded themselves ? You could, but that wasn't the question that was asked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted October 25, 2019 #64 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Setton said: You could, but that wasn't the question that was asked. Well, the original question was... "From where and from whom do YOU think ISIS received its funding?", by Hacktorp, I believe ? My point is just that - once they picked up momentum - it got its funding from itself ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 25, 2019 #65 Share Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: Well, the original question was... "From where and from whom do YOU think ISIS received its funding?", by Hacktorp, I believe ? My point is just that - once they picked up momentum - it got its funding from itself ! I'm not going to argue pointless semantics with you. Point is, we can both agree @hacktorp's theory that it was all a giant CIA conspiracy is utterly moronic, yes? Edited October 25, 2019 by Setton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted October 25, 2019 #66 Share Posted October 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, Setton said: I'm not going to argue pointless semantics with you. Point is, we can both agree @hacktorp's theory that it was all a giant CIA conspiracy is utterly moronic, yes? Indeed @Setton. The CIA had nothing to do with the creation - or proliferation - of ISIS. That was Mossad ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 25, 2019 #67 Share Posted October 25, 2019 2 hours ago, RoofGardener said: Indeed @Setton. The CIA had nothing to do with the creation - or proliferation - of ISIS. That was Mossad ! Oh, don't even start... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaeton80 Posted October 26, 2019 #68 Share Posted October 26, 2019 21 hours ago, Setton said: I'm not going to argue pointless semantics with you. Point is, we can both agree @hacktorp's theory that it was all a giant CIA conspiracy is utterly moronic, yes? The hyperbolic 'it was all a giant CIA conspiracy' notwithstanding, indeed, an utterly moronic notion. Who can even conceive of such a preposterous idea.. the CIA having played a central role in supporting and facilitating the Levant anti Assad terrorist groups operating under the ISIS flag. More anti American conspiracy nonsense. I mean, its not like Islamist extremist groups have been used by thesame entity to attain certain geo political goals in the past.. Its not like the socalled 'Arab Spring' creating turmoil throughout the ME could in any way have been incited, (partly) engineered by Western intelligence agencies and their altruistic 'NGOs'. It was a purely internal, spontaneous social phenomena, revolución! Quote The West’s Islamists The newly declassified DIA document from 2012 confirms that the main component of the anti-Assad rebel forces by this time comprised Islamist insurgents affiliated to groups that would lead to the emergence of ISIS. Despite this, these groups were to continue receiving support from Western militaries and their regional allies. Noting that “the Salafist [sic], the Muslim Brotherhood, and AQI [al-Qaeda in Iraq] are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria,” the document states that “the West, Gulf countries, and Turkey support the opposition,” while Russia, China and Iran “support the [Assad] regime.” The 7-page DIA document states that al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), the precursor to the ‘Islamic State in Iraq,’ (ISI) which became the ‘Islamic State in Iraq and Syria,’ “supported the Syrian opposition from the beginning, both ideologically and through the media.” The formerly secret Pentagon report notes that the “rise of the insurgency in Syria” has increasingly taken a “sectarian direction,” attracting diverse support from Sunni “religious and tribal powers” across the region. In a section titled ‘The Future Assumptions of the Crisis,’ the DIA report predicts that while Assad’s regime will survive, retaining control over Syrian territory, the crisis will continue to escalate “into proxy war.” The document also recommends the creation of “safe havens under international sheltering, similar to what transpired in Libya when Benghazi was chosen as the command centre for the temporary government. In Libya, anti-Gaddafi rebels, most of whom were al-Qaeda affiliated militias, were protected by NATO ‘safe havens’ (aka ‘no fly zones’). ‘Supporting powers want’ ISIS entity In a strikingly prescient prediction, the Pentagon document explicitly forecasts the probable declaration of “an Islamic State through its union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria.” Nevertheless, “Western countries, the Gulf states and Turkey are supporting these efforts” by Syrian “opposition forces” fighting to “control the eastern areas (Hasaka and Der Zor), adjacent to Western Iraqi provinces (Mosul and Anbar)”: “… there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist Principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran).” The secret Pentagon document thus provides extraordinary confirmation that the US-led coalition currently fighting ISIS, had three years ago welcomed the emergence of an extremist “Salafist Principality” in the region as a way to undermine Assad, and block off the strategic expansion of Iran. Crucially, Iraq is labeled as an integral part of this “Shia expansion.” https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad Quote ER: What concrete evidence do you have to show that US intelligence services have provided support to jihadist militias in Syria? MC: The coordination role that the Agency signed off on in the fall of 2011 is now a proven fact, as we know that it was belatedly confirmed in June 2018 by Ben Rhodes, Obama’s chief adviser from 2009 to 2017. During the interview in question, Rhodes argued that the blacklisting of al-Nusra Front on the State Department’s list of terrorist organizations in December 2012 was a “schizophrenic” move, since it was obvious that the jihadist militia was a “big chunk” of the anti-Assad opposition, as he put it in his own words. During that interview, journalist Mehdi Hasan not only elicited from him that the CIA had played a coordinating role in this vast arms trade, but also that US involvement in this shadow war had been much greater than we thought. According to the Washington Post, it was one of the CIA’s “largest covert operations” in its history. In January 2016, the New York Times confirmed this, noting that the CIA’s maneuvers to overthrow Assad were part of a multinational campaign involving billions of petrodollars from the Gulf states, mainly spent by Saudi Arabia. It must be understood that this secret war ushered in, between 2011 and 2017, close cooperation between Western secret services and their Turkish and Middle Eastern counterparts. Thus, many experts and journalists were making a mistake by analyzing the operations of the various Middle Eastern powers in isolation from those of the Western governments. On the contrary, as the former Qatari Prime Minister admitted in 2017, it was a joint and coordinated operation involving all of those intelligence services. Due to the record number of public and private funders backing this campaign, and the tens of thousands of anti-Assad mujaheddin who were directly or indirectly aided by the CIA and its allies, I believe this could be the most massive clandestine operation in the history of the Agency. However, I have not been able to determine that with certainty due to the secrecy of this shadow war, which prevents access to archives and severely limits the quantity of leaks to the press. The fact remains, however, that I was able to assemble in my book hundreds of undisputed sources which combine to corroborate my writing. In this book, internationally renowned researchers such as Joshua Landis and Christopher Davidson support my arguments, which I developed after a long investigation that I launched in 2014. Once again, I invite your readers to consult the evidence cited in my book, as it is overwhelming. I would take this opportunity to point out that Bashar al-Assad and his allies have committed major abuses against Syrian civilians, and that my book is not intended to excuse what they are responsible for. Nevertheless, and to date, the Western media have focused mainly on the crimes of Assad and his supporters, while suppressing or downplaying the vast shadow war launched by the CIA and its partners in the fall of 2011. http://maximechaix.info/?p=3821 Preposterous, moronic.. I think we can all agree. ( ) 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 26, 2019 #69 Share Posted October 26, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 5:02 AM, Setton said: I'm not going to argue pointless semantics with you. Point is, we can both agree @hacktorp's theory that it was all a giant CIA conspiracy is utterly moronic, yes? I'm not sure why you (or anyone else) would be trying to carry the CIA's water at this particular point in time. Some pretty ugly stuff is being leaked out about them...most recently by none other than the FBI: The Finders https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault/status/1187790941215584256 As I've said here before, the CIA looks primed for a sacrifice. It seems you've hitched your wagon to the wrong horse...once again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 26, 2019 #70 Share Posted October 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, hacktorp said: I'm not sure why you (or anyone else) would be trying to carry the CIA's water at this particular point in time. Some pretty ugly stuff is being leaked out about them...most recently by none other than the FBI: The Finders https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault/status/1187790941215584256 As I've said here before, the CIA looks primed for a sacrifice. It seems you've hitched your wagon to the wrong horse...once again. Once again, calling out your fantasies for what they are doesn't mean I necessarily like the subject of them. Just that I have some respect for what is real and what is your nutjobbery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 26, 2019 #71 Share Posted October 26, 2019 @hacktorp I can see why you linked that tweet. The comments are full of people just like you. Quote MIND CONTROL TECH. THE CIA CULT TRIED TO KILL MY FAMILY BEFORE I COULD OUT THE BASE ENTRANCES!! MY FAMILY WAS CIA (R.I.P.) AND ELECTRONIC WEAPONS SPECIALIST FOR AEROSPACE DEFENSE... AND I WAS ALSO A "HIGHER ORDER" CLASSIFIED MK-ULTRA SUBJECT!! I WANT MY FISA DOCUMENTS!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 26, 2019 #72 Share Posted October 26, 2019 46 minutes ago, Setton said: I can see why you linked that tweet. The comments are full of people just like you. The tweet was from vault.fbi.gov. The comments could come from any-bot-y...including you. Nice try, though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted October 26, 2019 #73 Share Posted October 26, 2019 52 minutes ago, Setton said: Just that I have some respect for what is real and what is your nutjobbery. Pray tell, how can you (or anyone) have the slightest respect for "what is real", and still be a CIA fanboy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted October 26, 2019 #74 Share Posted October 26, 2019 50 minutes ago, hacktorp said: Pray tell, how can you (or anyone) have the slightest respect for "what is real", and still be a CIA fanboy? 1 hour ago, Setton said: Once again, calling out your fantasies for what they are doesn't mean I necessarily like the subject of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwynbleidd Posted October 27, 2019 #75 Share Posted October 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Setton said: @hacktorp I can see why you linked that tweet. The comments are full of people just like you. No use getting snarky with @hacktorp with what he posted. It was a direct link from the FBI's vault website. Or were you suggesting the CIA's MK Ultra program where it conducted experiments upon it's own US citizens did not happen? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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