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Mother wants sex change for her 7 yr child

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Farmer77
5 minutes ago, Hawken said:

Divorced parents Jeffrey Younger and Anne Georgulas have been at odds over the treatment of their seven year old son, whom his mother insists is transgender and wishes to live as a girl, and whose father insists that, during the boy’s visitation periods to his father’s home, is perfectly happy being dressed as a boy,

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/janetheactuary/2019/10/jury-refuses-to-protect-7-year-old-from-forced-sex-change-whats-up-with-that.html

So the article you posted uses some misleading language or at least I had to look for clarity on some of it.

The mother isnt trying to force the kid to get a sex change, nor is she forcing puberty blocking hormones as the article intimates, she just wants to let the kid dress how he wants.

 

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Hawken
19 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

So the article you posted uses some misleading language or at least I had to look for clarity on some of it.

The mother isnt trying to force the kid to get a sex change, nor is she forcing puberty blocking hormones as the article intimates, she just wants to let the kid dress how he wants.

 

Here's another link about it. https://www.mrctv.org/blog/jury-rules-against-dad-fighting-7-year-olds-transition?fbclid=IwAR0e6tZ_OzVbt-3SCU_598Z6zwvmupw9qVEyNFWOzd2DQtSiV2dBuqY908M

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Farmer77
20 minutes ago, Hawken said:

Still packed with innuendo and misinformation.

Here is a news report on it : https://thetexan.news/dallas-custody-battle-over-alleged-transgender-seven-year-old-will-resume-next-week/

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Janicek and Hayes have also made a point to emphasize that the mother is not seeking a medical transition, including puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones — a treatment that Younger is concerned will be given in the near future.

 

Juxtapose that with the way your sources are framing the information:

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Lifsitenews.com reports that the decision means Dr. Anne Georgulas, will be able to continue “transitioning” the couples’ child James into “Luna,” and now has full authority to start him on puberty blockers and eventually cross-sex hormones.

Which is based on this : https://thetexan.news/breaking-dallas-jury-grants-mother-sole-custody-of-purported-transgender-child/

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Younger’s witnesses in the trial, while not having met James, were medical professionals who pointed out the dangers of a “social transition” and the “medical transition” it usually leads to.

The latter transition includes puberty suppression, administration of cross-sex hormones, and ultimately surgical removal of reproductive organs.

So you have a whole thread claiming something incorrect all based on a religious news site flat out lying to cause strife.   

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Hawken

I hope your source is right. Sex change should not be allowed until they are adults making their own decisions.

But just because a boy that young who plays with a girl's toy doesn't mean they feel like a girl. They just see a

toy to entertain themselves with and don't differentiate what toy is boys or girls. I've seen young boys play with

dolls and girls play with toy trucks but grew up being the sex they were born with.

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Gwynbleidd

Interesting article, thanks for sharing @Hawken.   My very first thought was that these parents were making more of an issue over this than was needed.  But now that I've read that 2nd Article.....Hmm. It's definitely not something I'd want to see any child have to go through.  As a parent, the last thing you'd want is your child to suffer, but tbh I'm not too keen on pumping any sort of child full of specialised drugs.  How do they know these poor children aren't going to have horrid side effects, now, let alone later in life? 

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Younger was seeking sole custody of his twin sons as part of an effort to prevent one of the boys from undergoing chemical castration via a gender “transition.” 

Lifsitenews.com reports that the decision means Dr. Anne Georgulas, will be able to continue “transitioning” the couples’ child James into “Luna,” and now has full authority to start him on puberty blockers and eventually cross-sex hormones.

I thought this comment from that 2nd article sums things up in a way. 

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There is a powerful medical lobby in this country that profits from abortion as well as gender reassignment of children. And the great lie is that they call these horrific practices civil rights. When we fail to protect babies and children what does it say about the morality of our society?

I do hope the mother doesn't go ahead with this. :( 

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Farmer77
10 minutes ago, Hawken said:

I hope your source is right. Sex change should not be allowed until they are adults making their own decisions.

But just because a boy that young who plays with a girl's toy doesn't mean they feel like a girl. They just see a

toy to entertain themselves with and don't differentiate what toy is boys or girls. I've seen young boys play with

dolls and girls play with toy trucks but grew up being the sex they were born with.

What you described is pretty much how the mother's expert witnesses described the kid.

To me it sounds like the mom is letting the kid wear dresses because he wants to and the dad thought that claiming she wanted the kid to transition was a great angle to use in a custody battle.

BTW I agree with you wholeheartedly about children and sex changes. The formatting of the article you posted just raised a ton of red flags that made me think the story should be looked into more. It's style and format is very reminiscent of the division causing articles that we were inundated with in 2016.

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DieChecker

If I was a callous SOB, I'd say let the mother do it, and deal with the life issues that result. Possibly being sued by her own child for damages. 

I believe, even if the child desires it, that treatments shoukd wait till the person reaches their age of consent on such things. Maybe even 18.

I dont think it's been shown what benefits, or Damages, can result from such procedures on what is essentially a FIRST GRADER.

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Farmer77
1 minute ago, DieChecker said:

I believe, even if the child desires it, that treatments shoukd wait till the person reaches their age of consent on such things. Maybe even 18.

Agreed wholeheartedly

1 minute ago, DieChecker said:

If I was a callous SOB, I'd say let the mother do it, and deal with the life issues that result. Possibly being sued by her own child for damages. 

The mother doesnt want a sex change though. The article is complete bunk.

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darkmoonlady

Imagine you are a kid and your school, your friends, your parents, all refer to you as a boy but you know you are a girl. You don't just like things girls like, you know inside you are a girl. You tell your parents, this is who I am. You face rejection, bullying, possibly being kicked out of your house, abuse, but you still insist this is who you are. You just want to be who you are inside and nothing short of physical violence is making you change your mind. That's what kids who are trans face. It's not a whim, it's not a mental illness. It also doesn't hurt anyone else. It doesn't harm anyone or take anything from anyone. But instead of love and acceptance you get fear, ridicule and rejection. The suicide rate among trans folk (not because their trans makes them suicidal no it's the pain caused by society attempting to force them to be what it wants and not who they are) 

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Harrowing statistics from a study recently published by the American Academy of Pediatrics revealed alarming levels of attempted suicide among transgender youth -- with the highest rates among transgender boys and non-binary youth. The findings emphasize the urgency of building welcoming and safe communities for LGBTQ young people, particularly for transgender youth.

More than half of transgender male teens who participated in the survey reported attempting suicide in their lifetime, while 29.9 percent of transgender female teens said they attempted suicide. Among non-binary youth, 41.8 percent of respondents stated that they had attempted suicide at some point in their lives.

Many transgender young people experience family rejection, bullying and harassment, or feel unsafe for simply being who they are - all of which can be added risk factors for suicide. Earlier this year, HRC released its 2018 LGBTQ Youth Report, which detailed similarly alarming experiences -- but also significant perseverance among LGBTQ young people in the face of daunting challenges."

So how does kids being trans harm any of you who condemn it? I'm curious. 

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DieChecker

I knew kids who knew they were princesses, AND others who thought they were cats, or puppies. Boys think they are Professional Wrestlers, or super heros.

Guess maybe those kids need some 'Roids, so they can become real wrestlers.

Kids BELIEVE they are all kinds of things. Often because a parent, or trusted friend, tells them so.

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Hawken

There are many people who have made the transition but have regretted it later in life and switched back.

This is an issue you want to think about for a very long time instead of doing it hastily.

Walt Heyer is one who made the transition but went back to his original sex.

 

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DieChecker
34 minutes ago, darkmoonlady said:

So how does kids being trans harm any of you who condemn it? I'm curious. 

There's NOTHING wrong with it. The issue being physically altering the child when the child is still of an age where fantasy is absolutely real.

Boy wants to wear dresses... fine. Kid plays with other gender toys... fine. Kid wants to act/speak/live like other gender... fine.

But permanent physical changes are permanent. 

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darkmoonlady
1 hour ago, Hawken said:

There are many people who have made the transition but have regretted it later in life and switched back.

This is an issue you want to think about for a very long time instead of doing it hastily.

Walt Heyer is one who made the transition but went back to his original sex.

 

And plenty don't want to change back. Same as people who won't act don't act on their homosexuality for religious reasons, well try to anyway. A few people doesn't make every trans person wrong. 

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darkmoonlady
1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

I knew kids who knew they were princesses, AND others who thought they were cats, or puppies. Boys think they are Professional Wrestlers, or super heros.

Guess maybe those kids need some 'Roids, so they can become real wrestlers.

Kids BELIEVE they are all kinds of things. Often because a parent, or trusted friend, tells them so.

They dont usually believe those things despite it being attempted to get beaten out of them. Do you know many trans folk stories? How common it is that a parent or sibling beat the **** out of them for dressing in gender opposite clothing? How much abuse and terror they dealt with? You are comparing dressing like a wrestler? Seriously? I used to pretend I was a horse as a kid, had a rich fantasy life. My mom never gave me the belt for that or kicked me out of the house..

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Jon the frog

How far low people want to go to get attention.... presently we are screwed up deep.

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Dark_Grey
4 hours ago, darkmoonlady said:

More than half of transgender male teens who participated in the survey reported attempting suicide in their lifetime, while 29.9 percent of transgender female teens said they attempted suicide. Among non-binary youth, 41.8 percent of respondents stated that they had attempted suicide at some point in their lives.

That speaks a lot more to mental health issues than bullying. The black community experiences bullying at a much higher rate with far fewer suicides. I believe the vast majority of "trans" persons are suffering from some kind of mental illness. I see them no different than someone who dresses up like a fox and wants to be referred to and treated as such. Btw, the statistics of trans people who have "transition" regret greatly contributes to the suicide rate though no one seems to want to discuss that.

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LightAngel

Let kids be kids.

Let them preserve their innocence!

 

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aztek

seems like it is about her and the father of the child issue, personal hatred i believe,  i would give 100% custody to the father, and slap mother with a restraining order, she is a danger to kid's health, physical and mental

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XenoFish
25 minutes ago, LightAngel said:

Let kids be kids.

Let them preserve their innocence!

 

I don't often agree with you, but I agree with you. I wonder whatever happened to letting kids enjoy their childhood. 

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Desertrat56
5 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I knew kids who knew they were princesses, AND others who thought they were cats, or puppies. Boys think they are Professional Wrestlers, or super heros.

Guess maybe those kids need some 'Roids, so they can become real wrestlers.

Kids BELIEVE they are all kinds of things. Often because a parent, or trusted friend, tells them so.

When my first grandson was 2 his mother took him to a costume store to get a halloween costume.  She made the mistake of saying "which costume do you want?"  Instead of choosing 3 she though appropriate and letting him choose.  He walked through the whole store and chose a yellow princess costume.  Her then boyfriend hit the roof and made such a fuss about it she had to tell him no.  She would have bought it for him but the **** acted like the world would end if the boy had a princess costume.  It was the color he liked, he didn't know the difference between princess and prince.  Luckily that jerk didn't last long.  That boy and all of  my grandsons each had a barbie doll that they carried around with them when they were very little.   They also had trucks and toy guns (well, one doesn't because his mother doesn't believe in that, anyway). 

When they are that young it doesn't matter.  Even 7 is young enough for a boy to want to play with toys that we stupidly label "girls" toys, just like I used to trade my doll to my brother for his truck.  He was a baby and liked having something soft to hold.  The moment he turned 4 he would no longer trade with me, and in the 50's girls did not get trucks for presents.  It had nothing to do with being a girl or a boy. 

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Robotic Jew
5 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I knew kids who knew they were princesses, AND others who thought they were cats, or puppies. Boys think they are Professional Wrestlers, or super heros.

Guess maybe those kids need some 'Roids, so they can become real wrestlers.

Kids BELIEVE they are all kinds of things. Often because a parent, or trusted friend, tells them so.

I always knew I was a professional wrestler when I was a child. My "parents" didn't agree and now I'm not WWE Universal Champion...I might sue...

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OverSword
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She said she contacted the GENecis clinic at Children’s Hospital Center, and they referred her to Rebekka Ouer for counseling. Ouer recommended a process of “affirmation” and thought that a “social transition” for James to begin going to school dressed as a girl named “Luna” would be in his best interest.

You may want to consult a few other counselors before deciding this is the correct course of action to avoid possible bias on the counselors part.

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When the father learned that Georgulas was “socially transitioning” James, it wasn’t long before their disputes escalated.

Younger is being represented by Logan Odeneal, while Georgulas has a legal team consisting of at least five people, with lawyers Jessica Janicek and Laura Hayes leading the questioning of witnesses.

 

I'll bet you a dollar that her legal team is being paid for by some pro transgender organization.

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skliss

Havent read the articles but I heard there was a tape of the father talking to the boy and the boy saying "But Dad I'm a girl." And the Dad asks "Who told you that?" And the boy replies "Mom did." 

I have to wonder if because she was biologically unable to have kids she's not using this as a way to have a daughter. 

I certainly remember having a "tomboy " stage where I wore jeans and t-shirts and climbed trees...thought boys had it easier. Also went thru a "girlie frilly" stage. The problem today goes back to PC nonsense and parents who don't understand these things are normal parts of development. They jump on the "I'm-so-evolved" bandwagon to the detriment of the kids. Now that boy will feel he has no alternative but to be this way to please mom.

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RabidMongoose
12 hours ago, Hawken said:

Divorced parents Jeffrey Younger and Anne Georgulas have been at odds over the treatment of their seven year old son, whom his mother insists is transgender and wishes to live as a girl, and whose father insists that, during the boy’s visitation periods to his father’s home, is perfectly happy being dressed as a boy,

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/janetheactuary/2019/10/jury-refuses-to-protect-7-year-old-from-forced-sex-change-whats-up-with-that.html

To prevent parents forcing this change onto the child I think he should be left alone.

At 18 he can do what he wants.

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