Pastor Warns If Trump Is Removed From Office,

[Tatetopa]

9 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

You are right about one thing.  They (Left) want to maintain the balance of their power but that is nowhere near what the founding fathers envisioned.  The Founding Fathers gave us a Republic, not a Swamp.  What do you call a Republic that deteriorates into a Swamp?  Socialism run by Progressives and Rinos. 

A swamp is a  government subverted to cater to the will of a select few while neglecting the rule of law and the equal right s of all citizens.  It may be socialism as you say, but it equally might be brought about by an oligarchy.  Money, power, greed, and threats can as easily bend the course of government as some imperfect desire to help other people with socialism.  Either way, an elite  cadre cling to power and distribute it among their friends.  Graft and corruption are as frequently a result of greed and corruption as anything  else.

Indeed most of the founding fathers commented negatively on political factions, but they have a  history nearly as long as our nation. 

19 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

First thing to note is that Washington is talking about Socialism here. 

You could look at it that way, but I think you would be mistaken.   In Washington's time socialism wasn't much of a thing, but  a good portion of the  colonials were loyalists.  They wanted to maintain the absolute legitimacy of the King of England.  It was useful for those with special rights, charters, and riches to maintain the authority of that absolute monarch and not give lawmaking over to their fellow colonialists  who might deprive them of privileges granted by the King.  And of course it is Trump upsetting the status quo and disregarding the Constitution because he maintains near absolute ignorance of its  contents  that many would say is  what the founding fathers feared.

 

27 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Before the Declaration of Independence, slavery was a long-established institution.  It was part of normal everyday life.  But when that document came into existence, slavery became evil at that moment.  And something so long-established took 100 years and a Civil War to exercise from human existence and yet it still lingers. 

Only in America.  Scotland banned slavery in 1778.  All of the British empire banned slavery by 1843.   Do you know any Texas history?  I had to learn it in High School when they still taught such things.  Mexico abolished slavery in 1829.  That was one of the contributing factors to the Texas war of Independence.  Anglo Texans wanted to keep slaves, and they did for another generation or two until the Civil War.

 

32 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Trump does not care what party you are, if you are useful, he will put you to work until

you cease to be useful to him.  He has two parties that do not follow the conventional lines because they do not differentiate any philosophies of government, socialism or totalitarianism or whatever. His parties are aligned simply on those who are loyal to him and those who are not, pretty classic for a nascent dictator.

 

36 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

It's interesting on how a play would stimulate interest in the Left of what a dead old white guy had to say, and although he never owned slaves, he did barter them.

Again in High School and college, I had to study American History long before any play on Hamilton was ever conceived.  We had to study the Federalist papers,  as well as works by Jefferson, and even read John Locke, Patrick Henry, Franklin and others.  That was back in the 70's before Rush Limbaugh published his idiots guide to American History and world politics in entertaining radio segments.  Believe it or not, we actually had to read original sources.

Media did not twist Hamilton's words into a semblance of Trump.  That was his quotation from about 250 years ago, and yeah he might have been accused of some of the same leanings.  You can think that msm is twisting his words but you may be one of the flattered zealots.  When you say People, recall that you  refer to less than half of the People in the United States.  More accurately you can say some people are tired of it.  Will you be the ones to overthrow a government you disagree with and replace it with a dictator who values no principle above loyalty to himself?  Maybe you will.

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

Jefferson has a quote too.  Part of it goes: “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”.  When the Object is Trump then the two quotes contradict one another,

I would say they are in agreement.  Trump has one law: what he wants, and one principle:   its all about Trump.  He does not know, and does not care about  checks and balances,  All of his life has been devoted to getting himself what he wants by whatever means necessary.  Gotta admire his single minded determination.  He will be. with your support, the very essence of a despot. I am not convinced that qualifies you to be high minded patriots

[Tatetopa]

36 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

We have clear evidence of Biden abusing his power in order to benefit personally and you want to ignore it out of hand.

That is not really true.  That is a Trump spin, even non-US world sources would disagree with you.  You have no undisputed facts unless you stick to the premise that everybody is lying except Donald Trump.  We even asked Alberrt Einstein to show his equations.  We didn't accept relativity on his say so.

[Setton]

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

What is he really suspected of?  Being hated by the Left?  That is all he’s guilty of.  That’s not good reason.

 

 

 

 

 

The term “Blackmail” is misleading.  This is how nations interact.  All Presidents have twisted the arms of other nations to get something done.  Don’t be so self-righteous.  Obama was interfering into Israeli elections and nobody bats an eye.  Trump hasn’t done anything that every other President hasn’t done.  There is nothing wrong with doing this.  It’s not the act but the intent.  When Biden Blackmailed the previous Ukrainian Administration, his son profited off of it.  When Trump did it, he was acting as this nation’s top law enforcement officer and his family didn’t profit off of it.  Trump isn’t going after Biden, he’s going after the corrupt Obama apparatus.  Trump is opening up a second front now that the Durham probe has transitioned into a criminal investigation.  Biden is just the low hanging fruit.  Why would it be different if Biden wasn’t running?  The corruption he is involved in is still there.  There is nothing wrong with digging up dirt on a political opponent.  The difference between Trump and Biden is that the dirt on Trump is made up and revealed the corruption of a weaponized apparatus against the American people.

 

 

 

 

 

For one, he doesn’t need help from Ukraine to beat Biden.  There are bigger fish to fry.  None of the Progressive candidates can beat Trump and the DNC knows it.  Why do you think that Hilary is making noise about getting in, probably waiting for a brokered convention?  That would be a dream opponent for Trump.  She won’t be able to keep up with him.  Her health issues will return even with a shortened campaign.  She doesn’t have enough doubles.  Her hubris will do her in.  She probably believes all those excuses for her losing except for the real one.

 

 

 

 

No, this witch-hunt and lynching is not fair.  How many more times are they going to investigate him?  They are political hacks searching for something to pin on him and it keeps coming up empty.  This time will be no different.  Schiff isn’t running around protecting a witness, he’s protecting a narrative.

 

Of course you don't. Forgot I was talking to a deluded fanatic. 

Never mind, plenty of normal people in the US to balance you out. 

[DingoLingo]

11 hours ago, aztek said:

it has little to nothing to do with republicans,  that is why i highly value your insights lol  keep them coming

it only seems that the republicans are having a hoohar about it so it has everything to do with republicans.. 

seems the real snowflakes these days are the trump loving republicans.. 

[RavenHawk]

22 hours ago, Doug1029 said:

What the H are you talking about?

If you can’t figure that one out, it’s not worth trying to explain it to you.  It just highlights what I have been saying.  BTW, you changed your handle slightly…

 

He IS incompetent.  But he's also malicious and criminal.

And you have TDS.  He’s President and you aren’t.

 

Dangerous?  He just turned the Kurdish homeland over to Russia and Turkey.

It wasn’t ours in the first place.  Have we not declined our role as the world’s policeman?  This is now something for the UN.  Where are they?

 

He has openly encouraged Russia and China to intervene in our elections and tried to covertly get Ukraine to do the same thing.

Oh?  He has done all of that?  He’s been sarcastic and that makes him a colluder?  The fact that long before Trump was on the scene they’ve been trying to interfere.  Not to mention that Obama did nothing to stop it in his Administration.  Plus, we were doing it to them.  But you’re going to focus on this history as Trump’s fault?  I don’t suppose you understand how delusional you are?

 

He has totally failed to get a nuclear deal from North Korea.

He hasn’t failed.  He’s gotten further than any other President has.  It may take the next President to achieve but Trump has laid the groundwork for it to happen.

 

tRUMP does not subscribe to the traditional Republican values of fiscal responsibility, sexual morality and Christianity. 

No, he is not traditional.  If he wasn’t fiscally responsible, I’d doubt he’d be wealthy.  Ultimately, that is what separates the wealthy from the poor.  He is a cross between Populism and Conservatism.  It’s what the Republican party should have evolved into instead of being controlled by Rinos and slipping into Socialism.

 

He believes in molesting women, selling out his country, and breaking up families as he is doing on the Mexican border.  Yet he says he is a Republican.  Well, maybe he is.  They seem to be doing the same thing.

OMG.  Just say anything irresponsible and it’s ok??  Karma won’t let you get away with that.  Many of the Left will have a reckoning with karma, soon.  Not standing up to China and letting them steal our technology and not doing anything with the open border is how you sell out your country.  And who’s been responsible those just those two things?  Those families aren’t even Americans; they shouldn't even be there.  A President’s job is to see after Americans first.  Here’s a little secret.  How do you keep non-citizen families from being separated if they cross illegally?  Don’t cross at all unless it is legally. Q.E.D.  Epiphany time?

 

Progressives are people, too.  By denying that,

Not denying it at all.  I am acknowledging that they are misled.

 

you are laying the groundwork for them to do the same to you.

I believe the groundwork has already been laid.  They have been/are doing it to us right now.  I guess you don’t recall a particular quote by Obama that we can sit at the back of the bus?  Obama was just a walking encyclopedia of belittling comments for others than the ruling elite.

 

tRUMP has removed us from the Paris Accords. 

Excellent!

 

We are no longer leaders there. 

Who wants to be a leader in a farce?

 

He has done nothing to improve education (Betsy DeVos even got herself charged with Contempt of Court for her mismanagement of student loans.). 

He can’t do everything.  A President will prioritize.  You know that, right?  So you were probably one of those that said he wouldn’t get anything done.  Now that he has got a lot done, if he hasn’t done everything then he’s still a failure?  I don’t suppose that seems unfair to you?

 

American children still go to bed hungry while tRUMP adds pounds to his mid-section. 

Another Cheap shot.  You do know that more people have gotten off of food stamps.  Fewer children go to bed hungry.  Tell me, how many pounds have you put on around your mid-section knowing that children nearby are going hungry?  You should understand that.  My family is from Shawnee.  I went back a few years ago and it was still fairly depressed.  NAFTA hasn’t helped the area in all those years.

 

He has sold off portions of our National Parks and is currently attempting to sell off the Tongass National Forest. 

And that’s bad?  The private sector can usually manage natural resources better than the government.  One has to mind that monopolies do not take over.  And I believe that the Forest Service runs at a net lost over the area.  Yes, I understand that there are logging and environmental interests at play.  Both are equal and vital.  There is always a solution that both sides can achieve and the government can be a positive influence in this but the two sides need to begin to come together.  Show Trump (or whoever the President is at the time) that there is a beneficial solution for generations to come.  Our role is to be good custodians of the land, not hoarders.

 

Many people still have no health care at all - Obama and Trump both failed at that. 

Yeah, basically those that had it no longer do and they were replaced by an equal number who couldn’t afford it, now we are all paying for it.  Trump hasn’t failed.  It was Obama and McCain.  You expect Trump to turn it around over night?  Obama did more than fail.  Healthcare was not his goal.  Power was.  Jonathan Gruber has as much admitted it.  I suspect that the first two things Trump will tackle in the next term is the wall and healthcare.

 

All Trump did to NAFTA was make a few already-agreed-to changes and put it back out there. 

It’s still in Congress’s hands to ratify.  If they were more focused on working for the people instead of blind hatred, this country would be taking off like you wouldn’t believe.  Stagnation is the legacy of Progressives.

 

Trump's trade policy has damaged our agricultural sector for the next ten years until we can get new markets to replace the ones he destroyed. 

If we do nothing, our agricultural sector will be ruined for a lot longer than 10 years.  When you are embroiled in a war, you have to make sacrifices that will make it worth everyone’s effort.  When your number is up, it’s your turn to run across the beach under fire.  The agricultural sector is tasked with this sacrifice.  That is why Trump has provided a subsidy to ease the sacrifice.  Now if we don’t go through with this, China will be able to dictate terms and our agricultural sector will take a back seat to China.  They just recently took over the NBA.  Is that what you want?

 

He not only kept Canadian sawtimber from being imported to the US, he kept American sawtimber from being sold to Canada. 

And?  When the USMCA gets ratified then all sides will be benefiting.  We’re just going through short term pain for long term gain.  That’s the way it works.

 

Remember those 800 jobs he "saved" at the Carrier Corporation?  They've been outsourced to Mexico. 

Yup, Trump couldn’t stop that but under his Administration hundreds of thousands of other manufacturing jobs have been created.  And when the USMCA is ratified, Carrier may want to come back??  Do you want them back?

 

Far from making America great, he has made us poorer

He has made us wealthier.  My taxes are down and wages are up.  I just recently got a 5% raise.  Under Obama, I was lucky to get a 0.9 to 1.1% annual raise.  Trump has created the environment for prosperity.  It is up to the rest of us to seize the opportunity.  Which is a threat to the power base of Progressives.

 

and more fearful of each other.

Antifa and the Left have done that.  I think I’d rather (and feel safer) protesting a KKK march calling them racists to their face than walk around Antifa with just a MAGA hat on.

[RavenHawk]

On 10/25/2019 at 8:14 PM, Tatetopa said:

Yeah you are right, I don't get it either.

I know I’m right because it is obvious.  It’s 2 + 2 = 4 obvious.  It is as plain as the nose on your face obvious.

 

This seems like a pretty distorted view of things. 

People with TDS do have a distorted view.  The corruption of the Left is so blatant and the power of the MSM has brainwashed the minions to think it is ok.  The media has rewritten the standard and turned up to down and wrong into right.  And people with TDS can’t tell the difference.  You mentioned how the Founding Fathers predicted Trump.  That was easily debunked as Hamilton’s quote reflected the Left more.  But if you really want to look prophetically, then let’s see what the Bible predicts: 

 

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and shrewd in their own sight! - Isaiah 5:20-21

 

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, - 2 Timothy 4:3

 

This is precisely what the Left is doing.  Pelosi, Nadler, and Schiff are poster children.  The MSM soothes the itchy ear.

 

Maybe it has a lot more to do with asking foreign leaders for personal favors rather than doing the business of the United States. 

OMG.  Don’t you think it can be both?  Asking a peer for a ‘personal favor’ *IS* the business of the United States.  Trump’s family has not benefited from this favor like the Bidens did.  And at this point, to say that this may help Trump with the next election is a bit moot, don’t you think?  The Left have been involved with trying to influence the 2020 election from day one of Trump’s Inauguration.  There has been investigation after investigation and nothing comes of it and yet the Left continues to try to influence the election.  And Trump isn’t allowed to fight back?  If he does fight back then the MSM says he’s committed a crime.  And you see nothing wrong with what the Left is doing?  On the other hand, clear, documented proof of the corruption of Biden, Deep State, and Hilary are there for all to see and the MSM is running interference for them.  Barr and Durham are following the paper trail of corruption and the MSM is attacking them for improprieties.  Seriously?  You are falling for this charade from the Left?!

 

TDemocrats are not going to get away with anything. 

They’re going to do their best to do so like they always have and people like you aid and abet their actions.  The double standard needs to stop here or this country will never see a free election again.  The Left will accomplish what Russia has been unable to do.

 

They will have to present evidence for the full House of Representatives to  hear and question before impeachment comes to a vote. 

No they don’t.  They can hold back and leak fake evidence to the public court of opinion.  Like they did in the Mueller investigation and the Kavanaugh hearing.  The Left learns quickly from their mistakes.  They can say that they are following the rules and yet twist it to attack a President and the President is never afforded Due Process.  This is treason!  All we need now is to figure out who Trump’s Brutus is going to be?

 

They are not breaking the law. 

You are making an excuse.  They can try to hide behind the letter of the law, but the intent is clear – to overthrow a President.

 

The question at hand is did the President break the law. 

The answer is inequivalently no and it will be found out in due time as it has before.  But this smearing is causing much damage to the nation.  The President will be powerless to perform his duties.  The Left doesn’t care how much damage is caused as long as they can seize power.  They will make the people suffer for their benefit.  That’s how Socialism works.

 

Compared to the fist fights and threats of duels that used to go on in Congress this is a pretty mild. 

You seriously are comparing the fights in Congress to this?  This is a coup.  Don’t you understand?  This is not some difference of opinion.  It is a power struggle.

 

You revel in a president unrestrained by law or convention and like the president can't understand why anyone would oppose that.

Except the President is restrained by the Constitution and always has been.  He is following his duty as required by it.  It has been the MSM that has influenced the people into thinking that he is unrestrained.  Obama was dismantling the Constitution and you people never said a thing.  Yet Trump is making this country prosperous again and he is committing an unpardonable sin.  It has become a madhouse.

 

Democrats do a lot of stupid things no argument, but so do Republicans. 

That is such a weak argument.  That argument doesn’t even begin to point out what is happening here.  It just shows how much you are truly unaware.

 

We have gotten to the stage where government is becoming dysfunctional all the time.

ASOLUTELY!!!!!  And Trump was the only one making it function again.  But the Left can’t have that or they will lose their power.  They don’t care about this country, just their power.  People have grown tired of this power grab by the Left.  They thought Trump could put and end to this and he is.  The more the Left attack him rather than doing the people’s business, the more popular he becomes.  It is a no-win scenario for them.  There will no outrageousness that they won’t try.

 

I see Trump winning the next election handily, but the Left’s apparatus will still be in place and still capable of attacking future candidates and Presidents.  The Left has become untrustworthy.  This practice needs to be eradicated.  It is detrimental to America.  There needs to be severe penalties for this kind of behavior.  It can never be allowed to happen again.  That is going to require that some heads will roll.  That is the usual penalty to treason.

[Tatetopa]

37 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

People with TDS do have a distorted view. 

It appears that ODS and HDS were distorting people's views long before Trump became president.

[BrooklynGuy]

Say when you guys get done beating the crap out of one another can one of you show me how to put more than one quote in a post?  

[SHaYap]

42 minutes ago, BrooklynGuy said:

Say when you guys get done beating the crap out of one another can one of you show me how to put more than one quote in a post?  

Just click / tap the "+" next to the "quote" of all the posts you want , then click / tap the floating quote button to have them all in the "reply" box

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Edited October 27, 2019 by third_eye
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[BrooklynGuy]

22 minutes ago, third_eye said:

Just click / tap the "+" next to the "quote" of all the posts you want , then click / tap the floating quote button to have them all in the "reply" box

~

Thanks third_eye much obliged!

[RavenHawk]

On 10/25/2019 at 8:24 PM, Tatetopa said:

That is right up there with Bush saying Muslims hate us because of our freedom.

That is a vague statement but in general is correct.  Sharia law in incompatible with Constitutional law.  Some 26% of the Muslim population rejects Sharia law but in terms of Islam, these are hypocrites.  So they really aren’t Muslims.  It’s the same stance with Socialism.  Socialism and Constitutionalism are incompatible.  So getting back to your point, you have no point.

 

Trump has never thought of anyone in his life beyond himself and his family nor thought beyond his own pleasure. 

That’s really unfair don’t you think?  That sounds more like an MSM sound bite.  If Trump didn’t care for this nation, do you think he would even attempt to become President?  He is very well off.  He doesn’t have to put up with the BS.  He wants to make this nation better than it has been of late.  There is no reason why it can’t except for the Progressive mindset causing stagnation.  Their jealously and irrational hatred is embarrassing.

 

Trump is a student of the Invisible Hand, so I can see how the unindoctrinated thinks Trump is uncaring.  The Invisible Hand is very much individualistic.  That is their problem.  But it is that belief system that needs to be spread around to more people.  That’ll allow them to get away from government dependency.  8 years of Obama spread the wrong message of dependency to our youth and the outcome has become obvious.  It has been detrimental to this nation.  Safe spaces, intolerance to free speech, and toxic masculinity has ruined generations.

 

Progressives would like to get things done,

Yes, they want to get things done alright.  They want to either rewrite the Constitution or do away with it entirely.  Then they’d have a free hand to do what the Founding Fathers sacrificed to keep us from being.

 

just maybe not the same things as you would.. 

Absolutely.  These Progressives are not the old Democrats (Federalist vs anti-Federalists).  That’s where both were concerned with moving this nation forward and the debate came in how to do it.  Progressives do not negotiate.  They seize and if they have their way, would rule this nation under Socialism and this nation will not move forward.  The ruling elite would achieve their dreams and the rest of us would become wards to be taken care of by benevolent despots.  No thank you.

 

They dislike Trump because they view him as dishonest and incompetent.

Precisely!  Because the MSM projects their character onto him.  They are jealous because they still haven’t gotten over the loss in 2016.  Hilary was going to be Obama 2.0.

 

President Clinton may have been a total pleasure nut, but somehow he found the time to reduce the deficit to zero. Get serious.   

Oh geez.  Yeah, let’s get serious here.  The only way Clinton was able to bring the deficit down to zero was by stealing from the next year’s budget which was a little present he left for Bush.  And it did nothing to bring down the debt.  So don’t get overly excited over a useless event.  If it is to mean anything, you effectively need several years in a row of a negative deficit, which means cutting spending on non-essential stuff like welfare.  And I don’t think that parading out Clinton’s zero deficit compares to Obama’s doubling of the debt.  I don’t think even Trump can do anything with that.  Only massive austerity can fix it.  For right now, we need to broaden the revenue base and getting America back to work will help.

 

The best Trump has been able to do is produce the biggest deficit ever in the history of America and the world. 

The deficit is like a freight train with no breaks.  Trump is still dealing with Obama’s impetus.  It’s usually late in the first term when the deficit begins to go down because that’s when the current President’s policies begin to cut in.  What Reagan found out is that if you raise revenue, you can offset the debt.  But that really isn’t an answer.  So it’s going to be interesting to see how Trump tackles this mess in his second term.  He may not have an answer.  But getting new trade deals will alleviate a lot.  These new deals should stimulate innovation and that will be a cash cow.  The middle class will grow as well as the tax base.

 

No other President has been able to match him in that regard. 

And no other President has matched the debt that Obama gave us.  We went from $9 trillion to $18.  And that gave us no benefit except that he left office.

 

But of course he came into office proud of the claim that he was the King of Debt.  Maybe a clue that was missed there?

And that might be to his benefit.  But we can’t make that call at this point in time.  He needs Congress to help out.  It’ll depend on the make up in 2020.  The Republicans should control everything, but it depends on how many Rinos are in the mix?  If he gets what he needs, he’ll tackle the debt.  If he doesn’t, then it’ll be on Congress’ head.

[RavenHawk]

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

It appears that ODS and HDS were distorting people's views long before Trump became president.

ODS and HDS don’t exist.  TDS has been clinically identified I believe.  TDS is an irrational hatred of Trump.  I really don’t think anybody hates Obama or Hilary quite the same way.  We were quite content to let Obama run his course and Hilary’s loss left a smile.  Whatever hatred of them we had was brought on by their own actions (Character).  The hatred of Trump is simply because he won in 2016 and broke the strangle hold the Left had on power.  And that hatred of Trump is getting tiring.  Meaning there are consequences for that hatred and karma never forgets.

Edited October 27, 2019 by RavenHawk

[Setton]

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

irrational

There's the bit you're missing then. 

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

Whatever hatred of them we had was brought on by their own actions (Character). 

Gosh, that doesn’t sound like anyone we know... 

[RavenHawk]

57 minutes ago, Setton said:

There's the bit you're missing then.

Not at all.  Nothing more pertinent.  Anything else is an illusion on your part.

 

Gosh, that doesn’t sound like anyone we know... 

Cute, you can try all you want.  No one is perfect, especially Trump.  But he doesn’t try to hide his flaws.  Trump is very open about his and he even uses it.  Trump is honest.  Obama and Hilary are about as dishonest as they come.  They hide their flaws and their intentions.  And if you know anything about character, one can see right through them.  I’ll hold Trump’s character up against Obama’s and Hilary’s any day.  Those that are easily swayed by the media have higher rates of TDS.  They are usually those that are oblivious to things like character.

[Tatetopa]

6 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

That’s really unfair don’t you think?  That sounds more like an MSM sound bite.  If Trump didn’t care for this nation, do you think he would even attempt to become President?  He is very well off.  He doesn’t have to put up with the BS.  He wants to make this nation better than it has been of late.  There is no reason why it can’t except for the Progressive mindset causing stagnation.  Their jealously and irrational hatred is embarrassing.

 

 

 

 I don't think that is really unfair.  I don't mean that makes him evil either, most of the population of the United States is self absorbed in their own lives.  Donald Trump was around a whole lot of years before he became President.  There are a lot of TV shows and radio interviews.He is 99 % of the time self-promotional.  He doesn't really care about anybody much beyond himself There are clues scattered about.   Here is one from  a Howard Stern interview:

“So what happens is, this guy falls off right on his face, hits his head, and I thought he died. And you know what I did? I said, ‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away,” said Trump. “I couldn’t, you know, he was right in front of me and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him… he’s bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible. You know, beautiful marble floor, didn’t look like it. It changed color. Became very red.

His beautiful white marble floor at Mar a  Lago got stained with blood, disgusting.

The next day, I forgot to call [the man] to say he’s OK,” said Trump, adding of the blood, “It’s just not my thing.”

And there was he comment on a radio interview on 9/11 reported by Business Insider, live on the phone hours after the event

"I mean, 40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually before the World Trade Center the tallest, and then when they built the World Trade Center it became known as the second-tallest, and now it's the tallest," he said. 

Empathy and care about other people is just not Donald Trump's thing.  That does not make him evil, Thomas Edison didn't care for other people much either.  But I think it can be ruled out as a reason he became President.

As you mentioned, President Trump is wealthy.  I think we both know that nobody becomes President for the money.  The president of a piddly little corporation with 1000 employees can make more than that, and Rex Tillerson made  about 45 times what the President of the US makes in salary.  I think we can agree it was not money.

 

So what does he lack?  The adulation of the masses is what he craves, it is the  food that feeds his ego It is the prize for winning the highest office in the land. Likewise, this doesn't make him evil necessarily, it is what he has to do to get it.

You have invented in your own mind the reason you think the Left hates Trump and it is jealousy or thwarted ambition or something.  Maybe a lot of people feel that he is untrustworthy and incompetent.  I know that is pretty hard for you to accept, but maybe half of the people in the country do believe exactly that.

Even so, some of them would appreciate it if he does get things done.  Getting us out of wars would be a good outcome.  A secure border without the need to hate on our neighbors would be a good thing.   Infrastructure would be a good thing.  Control of drug and insurance  skyrocketing costs would be a good thing.  A settlement of the trade dispute with China that is not just a return to the way it was before the dispute would be a good thing.  There is a lot he could do if he is capable and interested in serving the country.  I guess we will see.

 

[+and-then]

On 10/26/2019 at 3:22 PM, Tatetopa said:

That is not really true.  That is a Trump spin, even non-US world sources would disagree with you.  You have no undisputed facts unless you stick to the premise that everybody is lying except Donald Trump.  We even asked Alberrt Einstein to show his equations.  We didn't accept relativity on his say so.

Do the more recent examples of his use of his office to enrich Hunter meet your standards?

[Tatetopa]

12 hours ago, and then said:

Do the more recent examples of his use of his office to enrich Hunter meet your standards?

Thank you andthen.  They might.  I guess I better check. Honestly after the prosecutor firing, I have not been tracking.

[Doug1029]

On 10/26/2019 at 9:29 PM, RavenHawk said:

If you can’t figure that one out, it’s not worth trying to explain it to you.  It just highlights what I have been saying.  BTW, you changed your handle slightly…

My computer went down.  When it came back it reconnected to an old account I had way back when.  I'd forgotten I even had it.

On 10/26/2019 at 9:29 PM, RavenHawk said:

He’s President and you aren’t.

Not for much longer.

On 10/26/2019 at 9:29 PM, RavenHawk said:

It wasn’t ours in the first place.  Have we not declined our role as the world’s policeman?  This is now something for the UN.  Where are they?

It wasn't ISIS' either, but tRUMP has paved the way for them to retake northern Syria.  The Kurds were our allies and we just abandoned them.

On 10/26/2019 at 9:29 PM, RavenHawk said:

Oh?  He has done all of that?  He’s been sarcastic and that makes him a colluder?  The fact that long before Trump was on the scene they’ve been trying to interfere.  Not to mention that Obama did nothing to stop it in his Administration.  Plus, we were doing it to them.  But you’re going to focus on this history as Trump’s fault?  I don’t suppose you understand how delusional you are?

I have seen the tapes of him inviting Russia to release the DNC emails and within days they did.  I saw a tape of him inviting China to intervene in our next election.  He is about to be impeached for illegally soliciting Ukraine to intervene in our next election.

Sarcastic?  What a President says matters.  A lot of people, including me, don;t know whether he's being sarcastic or not and can only view him as dangerous when he makes irresponsible statements.

Collusuion?  Collusion is legal.  I can sit down and talk to you about breaking the law until the cows come home and that's perfectly legal.  But when we agree to break the law, that's conspiracy.  That's why his lawyer went to prison.  It takes two to conspire.

Yes.  They have been interfering in our elections for a long time and we in theirs.  That still doesn't make it legal and it can still be viewed as an act of war, which is what I would consider it were I President.

Obama is not in the Whitehouse.  He no longer has the responsibility. tRUMP is still there and shirking his duty.  So, yes.  The current situation can be laid at tRUMP's inactive door.

On 10/26/2019 at 9:29 PM, RavenHawk said:

He hasn’t failed.  He’s gotten further than any other President has.  It may take the next President to achieve but Trump has laid the groundwork for it to happen.

Before tRUMP, Korea didn't have missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads.  Now they do.  We had a no-nukes deal with Iran.  Now we don't.  We had a limited arms treaty with Russia.  Now we don't.  The Deal-Maker-in-Chief isn't making any deals.

It will take several Presidents to undo tRUMP's damage.

On 10/26/2019 at 9:29 PM, RavenHawk said:

No, he is not traditional.  If he wasn’t fiscally responsible, I’d doubt he’d be wealthy.  Ultimately, that is what separates the wealthy from the poor.  He is a cross between Populism and Conservatism.  It’s what the Republican party should have evolved into instead of being controlled by Rinos and slipping into Socialism.

Leave aside the sexual predator characteristics.  That's reprehensible enough.

If I were one of the contractors for his hotels that he gypped, I'd repro my materials.  Walk in, rip out the cabinets and furnishings I had installed and take them with me.  The place would be a mess, but that's not my problem.   Do it with a judgement; bring police, lawyer, appraiser and a moving company with you and load up stuff until you had enough to pay the bill, starting with cash from the till.  If you don't get enough the first time, come back.  But I'd much prefer to deal with an honest man.

You haven't got a clue about Socialism.  My grandparents were Wobblies.  I grew up union.  If you want a class war, there are some Wobblies who are willing to give it to you.  For me, I want respect for the working man, an honest day's pay for an honest day's work.  A clean place to live and an old age without crushing poverty from medical bills.  I want fair and equal treatment for my co-workers, whether they come from next door, or Mexico or Guatemala.  I want a humane President.  I want honest and competent government.  tRUMP delivers neither.

I'm out of time just now.  Maybe I'll get back to you and maybe not.  Talking to a trumpet is just a waste of time, anyway.

Doug