Eldorado Posted October 27, 2019 #1 Share Posted October 27, 2019 "“There is nothing wrong with expressing our democratic opinion. We want Germany to remain German,” he tells his supporters, to ecstatic cheers. "Mr Höcke is the most controversial figure in German politics. He is under observation by the country’s intelligence services as a possible threat to the democratic order. His opponents say he is a Nazi, and German television has compared him to Hitler. "But to his supporters he is a hero. They have waited hours for him in the cold, windswept square of this small east German town, part of the ancestral home of the British Royal Family, and his bodyguards have to hold them back as they queue to take selfies with him." Full monty at the UK Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/27/germanys-new-hitler-poised-lead-afd-regional-election-gains/ And at the NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/world/europe/afd-election-east-germany-hoecke.html 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted October 27, 2019 #2 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Now you now I don't like to to trivialize at all, but some of the things they say he says are pure Trumpisms. “Maybe one day I will be an interesting political figure in this country”. (say with appropriate air of menace) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynGuy Posted October 27, 2019 #3 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Eldorado said: "“There is nothing wrong with expressing our democratic opinion. We want Germany to remain German,” he tells his supporters, to ecstatic cheers. "Mr Höcke is the most controversial figure in German politics. He is under observation by the country’s intelligence services as a possible threat to the democratic order. His opponents say he is a Nazi, and German television has compared him to Hitler. "But to his supporters he is a hero. They have waited hours for him in the cold, windswept square of this small east German town, part of the ancestral home of the British Royal Family, and his bodyguards have to hold them back as they queue to take selfies with him." Full monty at the UK Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/27/germanys-new-hitler-poised-lead-afd-regional-election-gains/ And at the NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/26/world/europe/afd-election-east-germany-hoecke.html Eldorado I'm afraid I'm going to have to object to your blatant partisan use of left wing fake News sources and insist that you include an article from that bastion of unquestionable Impartiality Fox Fake News that describes Mr. Bejoern "Heil" Hocke as the Next Ronald Reagan. Thanks for all the great articles 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted October 27, 2019 #4 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Wait... so he's thought to be the second coming of evil incarnate because he objects to the mass influx of a population that will decimate traditional German culture? Am I summing this up correctly? THIS is his crime? If he is attempting to incite widespread violence then I'd agree but that doesn't seem to be his goal. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted October 27, 2019 #5 Share Posted October 27, 2019 12 minutes ago, and then said: Wait... so he's thought to be the second coming of evil incarnate because he objects to the mass influx of a population that will decimate traditional German culture? Am I summing this up correctly? THIS is his crime? If he is attempting to incite widespread violence then I'd agree but that doesn't seem to be his goal. Of course you are wrong about this guy. The/a general discussion about immigration is common in democratic political circles and it should so because there is pro and there is contra at least. The guy is a wolf in the sheep and a fascist. His kind of language is of propagandistic nature in a Goebbels`s fashion and he is pushing the very same buttons in the minds of stupid people like Hitler/Geobbels did. He is such far right that even the head of the AFD tried to kick him out of the party last year. Just to give you an idea how rotten this guy is. Maybe you know about the Memorial to the Murdered Jews of Europe in Berlin. In 2017 Höcke stated about the memorial (quote): "We Germans, our people, are the only people in the world who have planted a monument of shame in the heart of their capital." 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted October 27, 2019 #6 Share Posted October 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, and then said: ... will decimate traditional German culture? BTW, what is "traditional German culture"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A rather obscure Bassoon Posted October 27, 2019 #7 Share Posted October 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, toast said: BTW, what is "traditional German culture"? Lederhosen 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted October 27, 2019 #8 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 hour ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said: Lederhosen Thats Bavarian "culture". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted October 27, 2019 #9 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said: Lederhosen Nothing quite like watching a pretty woman dancing around in a Robinhood outfit drinking beer and eating spicy sausages. Or a milk maid outfit lol. Edited October 27, 2019 by RabidMongoose 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Walt' E. Kurtz Posted October 27, 2019 #10 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said: Lederhosen "Ich habe sauerkraut in Meine lederhosen ! " I have sauerkraut in my leather pants very useful phrase in Germany Edited October 27, 2019 by 'Walt' E. Kurtz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBright19 Posted October 27, 2019 #11 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) I thought Hitler was far-left? i.e. more power to the government with state-run nationalised services with censorship and propaganda dominating the media. Isn't that what the far-left is supposed to lean towards? i.e. Always Saluting Progress = Onwards and upwards (bellamy nazi salute). How can they criticize Hitler when they clearly have a mutual interest in the same policies. Surely Hitler must be an inspirational figure in the far-left? Far-left = socialism (big government) Far-right = capitalism (small government) Edited October 27, 2019 by Aaron2016 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted October 27, 2019 #12 Share Posted October 27, 2019 5 hours ago, toast said: BTW, what is "traditional German culture"? 3 hours ago, toast said: Thats Bavarian "culture". You could have broken that a bit more gently, you've ruined the image of all Germans going around slapping their thighs and ankles, i thought Bavaria was in Germany. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hetrodoxly Posted October 27, 2019 #13 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I wonder if he'll carry out Hitlers dream and turn Germany into an Islamic state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted October 28, 2019 #14 Share Posted October 28, 2019 these "heros" do not come from vacuum, current politics make their rise necessary, just like it was with hitler. simple action\reaction concept. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted October 28, 2019 #15 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Don't underestimate the man. That little Austrian Corporal with the ridiculous Charlie Chaplin mustache, marching to the Feldherrnhalle with his bully boys in 1923, cut a ridiculous figure, too. Then, ten years and one book later...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted October 28, 2019 #16 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, aztek said: these "heros" do not come from vacuum, current politics make their rise necessary, just like it was with hitler. simple action\reaction concept. Don't know about "necessary", but little doubt circumstances propel people into positions they otherwise would not get to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted October 28, 2019 #17 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 hours ago, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said: "Ich habe sauerkraut in Meine lederhosen ! " I have sauerkraut in my leather pants very useful phrase in Germany Why would you want Sauerkraut in your pants? Sauerkraut doesn't mean Sausage it a vegetable, so you have a vegetable pants, to each their own, but useful phrase I don't think so.. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted October 28, 2019 #18 Share Posted October 28, 2019 10 hours ago, toast said: BTW, what is "traditional German culture"? Snappy uniforms and a desire to have dinner in Paris. Your own Paris that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted October 28, 2019 #19 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 hours ago, aztek said: these "heros" do not come from vacuum, current politics make their rise necessary, just like it was with hitler. simple action\reaction concept. So you say there was a need for Hitler`s "concept" because it was "necessary"? Is that your general understanding of politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted October 28, 2019 #20 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Snappy uniforms and a desire to have dinner in Paris. Your own Paris that is. Aha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted October 28, 2019 #21 Share Posted October 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Aaron2016 said: I thought Hitler was far-left? i.e. more power to the government with state-run nationalised services with censorship and propaganda dominating the media. Isn't that what the far-left is supposed to lean towards? i.e. Always Saluting Progress = Onwards and upwards (bellamy nazi salute). How can they criticize Hitler when they clearly have a mutual interest in the same policies. Surely Hitler must be an inspirational figure in the far-left? Far-left = socialism (big government) Far-right = capitalism (small government) er, no, the Nazi system was highly pro-big business. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted October 28, 2019 #22 Share Posted October 28, 2019 14 hours ago, and then said: Wait... so he's thought to be the second coming of evil incarnate because he objects to the mass influx of a population that will decimate traditional German culture? Am I summing this up correctly? THIS is his crime? If he is attempting to incite widespread violence then I'd agree but that doesn't seem to be his goal. senior members of Mrs Merkel’s government have accused Mr Höcke of personally whipping up an atmosphere of anti-Semitism that led to the attack — charges he denies. That doesn't worry you? That's usually enough, even if there may be no serious grounds to it whatsoever, to instantly cast anyone that such an allegation is thrown at into the outer darkness of isolation from humanity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted October 28, 2019 #23 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Is there any firm ground for accusations of anti-Semitism towards this character? Has he been quoted as saying any such thing publicly? That's essentially the acid test of Nazism, surely. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted October 28, 2019 #24 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said: Is there any firm ground for accusations of anti-Semitism towards this character? Has he been quoted as saying any such thing publicly? That's essentially the acid test of Nazism, surely. Probably not, but then these days it is common practice to call anyone a Nazi if they don't agree with your agenda. Apparently in some circles Boris is also a Nazi. This is a non-story. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted October 28, 2019 #25 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Aaron2016 said: I thought Hitler was far-left? i.e. more power to the government with state-run nationalised services with censorship and propaganda dominating the media. Isn't that what the far-left is supposed to lean towards? i.e. Always Saluting Progress = Onwards and upwards (bellamy nazi salute). How can they criticize Hitler when they clearly have a mutual interest in the same policies. Surely Hitler must be an inspirational figure in the far-left? Far-left = socialism (big government) Far-right = capitalism (small government) Far-right = Kill millions of other countries citizens Far-left = Kill millions of your own countries citizens. Edited October 28, 2019 by itsnotoutthere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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