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Germany's "new Hitler" is on the rise


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7 hours ago, Habitat said:

Don't know about "necessary", but little doubt circumstances propel people into positions they otherwise would not get to.

it is the need for such people that propels them into positions.  that is exactly how hitler was elected.  no one would vote for him, if he was not offering what country needed at the time, and that need came from failed policies of previous leaders. 

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1 minute ago, aztek said:

it is the need for such people that propels them into positions.  that is exactly how hitler was elected.  no one would vote for him, if he was not offering what country needed at the time, and that need came from failed policies of previous leaders. 

No Great Depression, no Hitler in power. He actually did get in through the ballot box, but lost no time in abolishing the democratic vote. You could say the same about Japan, hard hit by the Depression, opened the way to militarists. When moderates are seen to fail, radicals grab their chance, and the results are rarely good.

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Hmm.. he seems to be highly pro-Germany, to say nothing of highly strung about immigration, but these are hardly crimes. I think the comparisons to him with Hitler are - so say the least - hysterical. 

He's a politician. He will flourish - or wither - based on the People's opinion of him, just as will all other German politicians. 

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i could argue that radicals are failing right now,  what eu and merkel do are very radical for our time.  as you see it created need for opposition, hence this thread

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7 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Why would you want Sauerkraut in your pants? Sauerkraut doesn't mean Sausage it a vegetable, so you have a vegetable pants, to each their own, but useful phrase I don't think so..

Are you being sarcastic :-D Here's some German lessons for ya cut from the extremely funny movie Top Secret :-) oh by the way I have studied german for two years I'm very familiar with my gemüse.

 

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On 10/27/2019 at 1:47 PM, toast said:

BTW, what is "traditional German culture"?

The kind that believed in freedom, democracy and equal rights?  Or are you so up the hindquarters of Islamic fundamentalism that you think they have better values than that?

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37 minutes ago, and then said:

The kind that believed in freedom, democracy and equal rights?  Or are you so up the hindquarters of Islamic fundamentalism that you think they have better values than 

 

Hocke hardly stands for freedom, democracy and equal rights.

On the other hand.....Let's give him a chance. I am sure Jews will be safe in Germany with him as the Kanzler.

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18 hours ago, aztek said:

these "heros" do not come from vacuum, current politics make their rise necessary, just like it was with hitler.  simple action\reaction concept. 

Well now that is a relief.  Aztek is predicting that a liberal hero will rise up and save us from the dark days of Trumpism.

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1 hour ago, and then said:

The kind that believed in freedom, democracy and equal rights?  Or are you so up the hindquarters of Islamic fundamentalism that you think they have better values than that?

That is a fairly recent tradition isn't it?  

Before that, there were the noble Teutons fending off the Romans and sending their cousins to invade Britain.

The Kaiser, the Prussian military philosophy, Otto von Bismark, and WWI.

The long history of philosophy, art, science, music, and culture that shaped the world of ideas.

The brief interlude where those things might have flourished between the end of the Kaiser and the rise of Hitler.

Then the rise of Hitler and the purging of non-Aryans.

I will defer to our German members, but among all of the great things Germany is noted for, freedom, democracy, and equality have not been paramount.

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1 hour ago, and then said:

The kind that believed in freedom, democracy and equal rights?  Or are you so up the hindquarters of Islamic fundamentalism that you think they have better values than that?

Your knowledge of German history isn't the best.

For most of the last 1000 years they have been the Holy Roman Empire led by an autocrat. It worked well for them, which is why when WW1 went badly they looked for a new Holy Roman Emperor.

In Hitler they saw just that.

Putting aside the distorted perceptions of WW2 its what all the annexing of German speaking territory was about. It was Hitler putting back together the HRE to pander to public demand. And its what the drive to carve out an empire in the east was about. The public demanded a new Teutonic War against the infidels.

Lets be clear. The German public wanted Hitler, they loved the guy, they knew what he was all about (because he was quite open about it), and they choose to follow him. That is alien to people in modern Western countries. People choosing to following an autocrat who was genuinely popular with them.

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12 hours ago, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said:

Are you being sarcastic :-D Here's some German lessons for ya cut from the extremely funny movie Top Secret :-) oh by the way I have studied german for two years I'm very familiar with my gemüse.

 

Ich bin nicht sarkastisch, ich mache nur einen Punkt.

Verstehen:yes:

 

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6 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Ich bin nicht sarkastisch, ich mache nur einen Punkt.

Verstehen:yes:

 

Ja naturlich :-) 

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9 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Your knowledge of German history isn't the best.

For most of the last 1000 years they have been the Holy Roman Empire led by an autocrat. It worked well for them, which is why when WW1 went badly they looked for a new Holy Roman Emperor.

In Hitler they saw just that.

Putting aside the distorted perceptions of WW2 its what all the annexing of German speaking territory was about. It was Hitler putting back together the HRE to pander to public demand. And its what the drive to carve out an empire in the east was about. The public demanded a new Teutonic War against the infidels.

Lets be clear. The German public wanted Hitler, they loved the guy, they knew what he was all about (because he was quite open about it), and they choose to follow him. That is alien to people in modern Western countries. People choosing to following an autocrat who was genuinely popular with them.

When you say the German Public wanted Hitler and they loved the guy. Your painting an entire country of people with a single brush. I think you have a very distorted perception of the German People. The public never demanded a Teutonic War, that was  Herr Schicklgrubers idea your concept of Herr Schicklgrubers Germany is so distorted its actually funny.:D

Thank you very much for the laugh, I will bet you flunked History.:yes:

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13 minutes ago, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said:

Ja naturlich :-) 

Ich verstehe.:devil:


 

 

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6 hours ago, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said:

Ja naturlich :-) 

Warum warum 

 

6 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Ich verstehe.:devil:



 

 

Warum warum sind die banane krumm

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8 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

When you say the German Public wanted Hitler and they loved the guy. Your painting an entire country of people with a single brush. I think you have a very distorted perception of the German People. The public never demanded a Teutonic War, that was  Herr Schicklgrubers idea your concept of Herr Schicklgrubers Germany is so distorted its actually funny.:D

Thank you very much for the laugh, I will bet you flunked History.:yes:

Scary how little people know about the history of Germany and A.H's forced rise to power.

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9 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

The public never demanded a Teutonic War,

BTW:

 

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It is a myth that Hitler ever got a majority of the votes. The last election ,which was held shortly after the Reichtag fire, resulted in 43,9 % and was the most votes the Nazis ever got in a real election.

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2 hours ago, toast said:

BTW:

 

Its like watching Daleks isn't it? lol.

Some people wont be told. They actually believe Hitler manipulated the Germans into following him using propaganda and by being a ruthless tyrant. They have no mental comprehension that the Germans were climbing over backwards to follow him because they wanted too.

But, I suppose, Britain and the USA have never lost a world war so they just dont get it. And they dont have the history of autocratic rule to understand why some peoples like that style of leadership lol.

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2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Its like watching Daleks isn't it? lol.

Some people wont be told. They actually believe Hitler manipulated the Germans into following him using propaganda and by being a ruthless tyrant. They have no mental comprehension that the Germans were climbing over backwards to follow him because they wanted too.

But, I suppose, Britain and the USA have never lost a world war so they just dont get it. And they dont have the history of autocratic rule to understand why some peoples like that style of leadership lol.

Otherwise you are ok I hope.

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On 10/27/2019 at 11:27 PM, Aaron2016 said:

I thought Hitler was far-left?  i.e. more power to the government with state-run nationalised services with censorship and propaganda dominating the media.  Isn't that what the far-left is supposed to lean towards?  i.e. Always Saluting Progress = Onwards and upwards (bellamy nazi salute).  How can they criticize Hitler when they clearly have a mutual interest in the same policies.  Surely Hitler must be an inspirational figure in the far-left?

 

Far-left = socialism (big government)

Far-right = capitalism (small government)

 

Hitler was never a socialist,  dont be deceived by the fact the nazi party had "social" in the name.  

Also big government can also come from far right/capitalism,  plenty of examples,. 

 

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10 hours ago, toast said:

BTW:

 

I suspect this is from a Nuremberg Rally, I also suspected Goebbels was involved with it. 

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7 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Its like watching Daleks isn't it? lol.

Some people wont be told. They actually believe Hitler manipulated the Germans into following him using propaganda and by being a ruthless tyrant. They have no mental comprehension that the Germans were climbing over backwards to follow him because they wanted too.

But, I suppose, Britain and the USA have never lost a world war so they just dont get it. And they dont have the history of autocratic rule to understand why some peoples like that style of leadership lol.

I would bet that you would fit right in with those people, Mein Herr. 

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37 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I suspect this is from a Nuremberg Rally, I also suspected Goebbels was involved with it. 

That was from 1943 I think, when the population started to see that things were going badly for Germany. A bit too late to be gearing up for "total war", when the opposition already has the upper hand.

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6 minutes ago, Habitat said:

That was from 1943 I think, when the population started to see that things were going badly for Germany. A bit too late to be gearing up for "total war", when the opposition already has the upper hand.

Yes you we right it is from 1943, it was given to a selected audience. You are also right that by that time it was certainly to late. We can certainly all be greatful that it was too little to late.

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