UK General Election -

[itsnotoutthere]

8 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

So which party is poised to win the general election ?

Not 100% sure, but I'm kinda thinking the party that will actually do what the majority of the public asked them to do three and a half years ago.

[RAyMO]

30 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

So which party is poised to win the general election ?

tories

which means Boris Brexit.

which means, gauging by re-action in some quarters here, possible riots - from Pro Brexit voters, ironically. Hopefully all will see sense though and it will not come to riots.

 

Edited November 28, 2019 by RAyMO

[itsnotoutthere]

34 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

tories

which means Boris Brexit.

which means, gauging by re-action in some quarters here, possible riots - from Pro Brexit voters, ironically. Hopefully all will see sense though and it will not come to riots.

 

Bit like all the shootings we had at the screenings of the Joker they were predicting.

But in reality, more likely yet more bitterness & class snobbery from the remainers. Afterall, this is effectively the second referendum they kept bleating on about.

Edited November 28, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[bee]

1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Bit like all the shootings we had at the screenings of the Joker they were predicting.

But in reality, more likely yet more bitterness & class snobbery from the remainers. Afterall, this is effectively the second referendum they kept bleating on about.

 

I hope voters don't get side tracked away from that because the whole GE was called to move
Brexit forward after the Remain MPs had brought the H of Commons to deadlock...

Which was no doubt central to the Tony Blair / Gina Miller (et al) plot....

Their next move would be to try and get Labour into power... and try to win (rig?) a 2nd referendum..
Brexit is definitely in danger if Labour get in... if they did negociate an new deal with the EU it would
be staying in the Single Market.... which is not the Brexit that was voted for anyway...

The BBC (and Labour Party) are getting concerned about the present strong support for Tories in the polls
and report that Labour are going to change their tactics and go for Leave Voting areas in the last two weeks of
campaigning... 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50580699

The Labour Party is to re-shape its general election campaign strategy - particularly in Leave-voting areas - to try to turn around a stubborn Conservative opinion poll lead.

Insiders told the BBC that in the first half of the election campaign, a key error was that the Liberal Democrat threat had been overestimated, while the willingness of Leave voters to switch from Labour to the Conservatives had been underestimated.

[Setton]

2 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Not 100% sure, but I'm kinda thinking the party that will actually do what the majority of the public asked them to do three and a half years ago.

Thought leaving with a deal wasn't what you voted for. 

You really need to get your stories straight. 

[itsnotoutthere]

18 minutes ago, Setton said:

Thought leaving with a deal wasn't what you voted for. 

You really need to get your stories straight. 

But, we're still a long way from a deal. 

Once the election is over and the real negotiations commence, all it takes for them to collapse is a little bit of the EU belligerence to occur and Boris can turn around and say, EU not playing ball, WTO. Long way to go yet. All hangs on this election. 

[Duke Wellington]

29 minutes ago, Setton said:

Thought leaving with a deal wasn't what you voted for. 

You really need to get your stories straight. 

Today the BBC poll tracker has the Tories with 42% of voting intention with a likely range of 38% to 46%: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49798197. The Liberal Democrats are doing badly with them failing to recover most of their lost seats at the last General Election.

Maybe they should have selected a more photogenic leader with normal teeth? One who is honest and trustworthy. Not one who projects her subversion of democracy onto the other parties. If the Lib Dems want to remain in the EU then by all means campaign on it, but do so truthfully. As it is its nice to see the lying moron doing so poorly! lmao.

So this is between the Tories and Labour, and it looks like its going to be a decent Tory majority in Parliament. Lets not forget that 42% of voting intention does not translate into 42% of MP seats due to each constituency having a different amount of people living in it and our first past the post system. 

If Boris has been tactical in selecting the baskets where he will put his eggs then that could be a significant majority. Brexit.... here we come!!!!

Looking at the graph in my link has anybody else realised that if you add together the voting intention for the Tories and the Brexit Party it looks in the area of 52%? 

Oh yeah remainers, read it and weep!

Edited November 28, 2019 by RabidMongoose

[Eldorado]

Some news....

Tory and Labour spending plans 'not credible' - IFS

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50585818

“It is highly likely that the Conservatives would end up spending more than their manifesto implies and thus taxing or borrowing more,” the document said.

Similarly, it concluded: “It is highly likely that Labour, at least over the longer-term, would need to implement other tax raising measures in order to raise the £80bn of tax revenue that they want.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ifs-manifesto-tory-labour-spending-tax-boris-johnson-corbyn-general-election-a9221411.html

[Duke Wellington]

4 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

Some news....

Tory and Labour spending plans 'not credible' - IFS

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50585818

“It is highly likely that the Conservatives would end up spending more than their manifesto implies and thus taxing or borrowing more,” the document said.

Similarly, it concluded: “It is highly likely that Labour, at least over the longer-term, would need to implement other tax raising measures in order to raise the £80bn of tax revenue that they want.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ifs-manifesto-tory-labour-spending-tax-boris-johnson-corbyn-general-election-a9221411.html

The IFS has criticised the spending plans of both the Tories and Labour party today while giving the stamp of approval to those of the Liberal Democrats. So I did the search in Google `is the IFS biased`

I got a BBC article at the top of my search list saying it has a neo-liberal bias. Well thats enough said, they cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32433408

[RAyMO]

"that after this [Brexit] is done, there should be a full proper inquiry set up at a high level into what went wrong with the British government's negotiations, how could we have such a catastrophic conduct in negotiations for one of the most important issues of our time?"

DUP today.

[RAyMO]

3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Bit like all the shootings we had at the screenings of the Joker they were predicting.

Not really comparable - this is NI, and Unionist feel betrayed by Boris. Loyalists have had meetings to consider strategy and Boris pictures adorn the Newtownards road - with Betrayal Act as the heading.

At he moment they are recommending calm.

Edited November 28, 2019 by RAyMO

[Duke Wellington]

5 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

"that after this [Brexit] is done, there should be a full proper inquiry set up at a high level into what went wrong with the British government's negotiations, how could we have such a catastrophic conduct in negotiations for one of the most important issues of our time?"

DUP today.

I dont think we need an enquiry.

The issue is a lot of MPs felt strongly for or against Brexit. So strongly, that they failed to work together collectively to respect the result of the Brexit referendum. Next time such an important vote occurs it needs to be both legally binding and someone needs to be given the authority to overrule Parliament to force through the will of the people should a deadline be reached without the issue being resolved. We needed this time round to have an MP Brexit Lord Protector.

[RAyMO]

14 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

I dont think we need an enquiry.

The issue is a lot of MPs felt strongly for or against Brexit. So strongly, that they failed to work together collectively to respect the result of the Brexit referendum. Next time such an important vote occurs it needs to be both legally binding and someone needs to be given the authority to overrule Parliament to force through the will of the people should a deadline be reached without the issue being resolved. We needed this time round to have an MP Brexit Lord Protector.

Just to be clear - you understand the DUP are pushing an inquiry into Boris's negotiations. Nothing to do with MPs or votes. And you know that DUP are pro Brexit and were pro Boris.

Edited November 28, 2019 by RAyMO

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, RAyMO said:

Just to be clear - you understand the DUP are pushing an inquiry into Boris's negotiations. Nothing to do with MPs or votes. And you know that DUP are pro Brexit and were pro Boris.

Of course they are, and the SNP are pushing for independence, and the Brexit Party for a No-Deal, and the liberal Democrats to stay in the EU, and so on. All parties have their aims and are all trying to force them.

The Government on the other hand has to formulate and get through policy. There are winners and losers in that process.

[itsnotoutthere]

1 hour ago, RAyMO said:

"that after this [Brexit] is done, there should be a full proper inquiry set up at a high level into what went wrong with the British government's negotiations, how could we have such a catastrophic conduct in negotiations for one of the most important issues of our time?"

DUP today.

ALL TOGETHER NOW....."Teresa May."

[stevewinn]

The Party of the Remainers the Lib Dems promising to revoke article 50 are dying a death in the polls. which is great to so.

We where all told on here by the remainers the majority of people NOW wanted to remain yet the two remain parties are doing so badly in the polls. how sad.

we are witnessing Remainers attempt to subvert democracy is now nearing journey's end.

60+ majority for the Tories. could see them ditch Boris's deal no longer appealing for support from other parties rebel MP's, Vote down the EU deal in Parliament and leave with no deal on the 31st Jan in fact bring the leave date forward to December 31st. 23:59. start the 1st Jan free from the EU.

 

 

[stevewinn]

26 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

Of course they are, and the SNP are pushing for independence, and the Brexit Party for a No-Deal, and the liberal Democrats to stay in the EU, and so on. All parties have their aims and are all trying to force them.

The Government on the other hand has to formulate and get through policy. There are winners and losers in that process.

i look forward to the "Divorce" payment from the SNP,

as we've seen, the UK wants to leave the EU. apparently were told by the remainers we have to pay the EU £39bn. (for leaving a union of 26 years) how much will the SNP have to pay the UK in leaving a 312 year Union.

how is old braveheart himself Salmond getting on in court?

[Duke Wellington]

1 minute ago, stevewinn said:

i look forward to the "Divorce" payment from the SNP,

as we've seen, the UK wants to leave the EU. apparently were told by the remainers we have to pay the EU £39bn. (for leaving a union of 26 years) how much will the SNP have to pay the UK in leaving a 312 year Union.

how is old braveheart himself Salmond getting on in court?

£80 billion of oil every year lol.

[RAyMO]

7 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

as we've seen, the UK wants to leave the EU. apparently were told by the remainers we have to pay the EU £39bn. (for leaving a union of 26 years) how much will the SNP have to pay the UK in leaving a 312 year Union.

Scotland should look for reparations

But in seriousness - I won't think scotland has any  bill to pay as unlike the UK in the EU, Scoltand would not have given approval / commitments  towards any UK budgets / expenditure. The UK works in a totally different way.

Edited November 28, 2019 by RAyMO

[Duke Wellington]

12 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

Scotland should look for reparations

But in seriousness - I won't think scotland has any  bill to pay as unlike the UK in the EU, Scoltand would not have given approval / commitments  towards any UK budgets / expenditure. The UK works in a totally different way.

How about a strong leader to re-centralised power from the Scottish Parliament to Westminster.

What is the constant drive to fracture and breakup Britain about?

[stevewinn]

1 hour ago, RAyMO said:

Scotland should look for reparations

But in seriousness - I won't think scotland has any  bill to pay as unlike the UK in the EU, Scoltand would not have given approval / commitments  towards any UK budgets / expenditure. The UK works in a totally different way.

look for reparations, trust you, your quite happy for the the UK to pay £39bn or more to the EU or anyone else for that matter- but when its the other way around and the UK is owed its a different story. behave yourself.

so all that investment by the rUK in Scotland from the time of their failed adventures of the Darien scheme to modern day and we receive not jot in return. yeah right. Put it this way they either pay up or no trade deal and hard border. (now where have we seen that before) 

[Duke Wellington]

32 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

look for reparations, trust you, your quite happy for the the UK to pay £39bn or more to the EU or anyone else for that matter- but when its the other way around and the UK is owed its a different story. behave yourself.

so all that investment by the rUK in Scotland from the time of their failed adventures of the Darien scheme to modern day and we receive not jot in return. yeah right. Put it this way they either pay up or no trade deal and hard border. (now where have we seen that before) 

We need a No-Deal to protect the integrity of the UK.

If we dont the first step will be Scotland demanding Indy Ref 2 and to placate them some future PM will extend the NI EU deal to Scotland cutting the UK down the middle.

[stevewinn]

28 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

We need a No-Deal to protect the integrity of the UK.

If we dont the first step will be Scotland demanding Indy Ref 2 and to placate them some future PM will extend the NI EU deal to Scotland cutting the UK down the middle.

I agree no deal solves all the problems with respect to the United Kingdom. the EU's interests are no concern of ours and should not even be an afterthought.

[itsnotoutthere]

5 hours ago, Eldorado said:

Some news....

Tory and Labour spending plans 'not credible' - IFS

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50585818

“It is highly likely that the Conservatives would end up spending more than their manifesto implies and thus taxing or borrowing more,” the document said.

Similarly, it concluded: “It is highly likely that Labour, at least over the longer-term, would need to implement other tax raising measures in order to raise the £80bn of tax revenue that they want.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ifs-manifesto-tory-labour-spending-tax-boris-johnson-corbyn-general-election-a9221411.html

Which is precisely why I switch off and ignore any of the crap spouted by the party leaders before an election, As I previously said to Setton, anybody who bases their voting decision on anything these leaders say 3 weeks before an election is an idiot. 

[L.A.T.1961]

Tories make Ofcom complaint against Channel 4 after ice sculpture replaces Boris Johnson in leaders' debate.

Channel 4 had previously rejected the Tory Party’s offer of Mr Gove to replace Mr Johnson. The party wrote to the chairman of the Ofcom Election Committee to make a formal complaint about the debate The letter says: 

It has even been reported that Channel 4 has commissioned an ice sculpture of the Prime Minister to represent the Conservative Party. “Were this the case, this would represent a significant breach of the Code through such a provocative partisan stunt, which would itself constitute making a political opinion in its own right.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tories-complain-after-ice-sculpture-replaces-pm-in-leaders-debate-a4299776.html