UK General Election -

[Duke Wellington]

44 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

I see some shallow reactions, laughs and what not.. Care to actually respond with some logical input and on content, as I understand those who reacted do not agree with the, to me, obvious fact Corbyn has been smeared by the MSM ad naseum?

You do realise you replied to your own post?

I suggest you engage in self-reflection to find the answer lmao

[RAyMO]

40 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Care to actually respond with some logical input and on content, as I understand those who reacted do not agree with the, to me, obvious fact Corbyn has been smeared by the MSM ad naseum?

I am pro Labour and anti Brexit and anti Corbyn as leader of the Labour party.

He was ineffectual as a leader in debates and question time - failing to exploit massive own goals given by May and others.

He came with baggage and irrespective of whether you agree with his actions that led to the baggage - such baggage was always going to damage the Labour vote in England. Polls had consistently and unanimously shown that he was not a person the electorate identified with and would vote for as a leader. As a leader he was therefore damaging labour's chances and should have stood aside.

On Brexit his view was contrary to the members, he couldn't bring himself to agree with the members, thus mumbled and created an incoherent policy position that last months, before coming up with a policy that pleased neither side. 

I think he is a decent person - does things for what he believes are the right reasons - but as leader of labour he was an electoral liability even before the msm got stuck into him.

[Phaeton80]

8 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

You do realise you replied to your own post?

I suggest you engage in self-reflection to find the answer lmao

Erm.. one can hardly quote a laughing smiley.

A counter suggestion; why not respond with some content instead of these meaningless reactions.

[Duke Wellington]

5 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

I am pro Labour and anti Brexit and anti Corbyn as leader of the Labour party.

He was ineffectual as a leader in debates and question time - failing to exploit massive own goals given by May and others.

He came with baggage and irrespective of whether you agree with his actions that led to the baggage - such baggage was always going to damage the Labour vote in England. Polls had consistently and unanimously shown that he was not a person the electorate identified with and would vote for as a leader. As a leader he was therefore damaging labour's chances and should have stood aside.

On Brexit his view was contrary to the members, he couldn't bring himself to agree with the members, thus mumbled and created an incoherent policy position that last months, before coming up with a policy that pleased neither side. 

I think he is a decent person - does things for what he believes are the right reasons - but as leader of labour he was an electoral liability even before the msm got stuck into him.

What is truly hilarious about Corbyn from a Conservative perspective is that our country has lost a lot of its industry over the last 30 years. So if Corbyn had said I am pro-Brexit, and instead of renationalising the industries he had planned he was going to setup back up our computer, consumer electronics, domestic appliances, car manufacturing, plane manufacturing, and heavy industries, he would have walked it.

Funny! The moron could not even take the stance he actually wanted on Brexit. And couldn't even use his strength as a socialist to propose an economic plan the people would have gone for. What an incompetent buffoon lol.

Edited December 15, 2019 by RabidMongoose

[spartan max2]

2 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Erm.. one can hardly quote a laughing smiley.

A counter suggestion; why not respond with some content instead of these meaningless reactions.

What reasons are you pro-brexit? (On a side question)

I know there have to be a bit if anti-tory people who are also pro-brexit, based on the referendum results.

But I'm curious if the pro-brexit reasons are the same for the two groups or differ.

Edited December 15, 2019 by spartan max2

[Setton]

7 hours ago, stevewinn said:

still trying to convince yourself hey.

It just doesn't wash, i cant believe you even type it with a straight face, listen your not convincing no-one on here, your record goes before you.

 

 

 

Good job my contribution to this country doesn't rely on the opinion of empty headed cowards then. 

Edited December 15, 2019 by Setton

[Setton]

3 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

What country? Under you distorted version of patriotism what country would remain for you to love?

 

Our country. The one I've grown up in. And the one that is too good to quietly go to the sidelines or Europe. 

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And its not us two are the minority, its your side. Look how poorly your Liberal Democrat party did. 

They won the seat with a majority of 6000 and remain parties took 52% of the vote. 

Edited December 15, 2019 by Setton

[Phaeton80]

1 hour ago, spartan max2 said:

What reasons are you pro-brexit? (On a side question)

I know there have to be a bit if anti-tory people who are also pro-brexit, based on the referendum results.

But I'm curious if the pro-brexit reasons are the same for the two groups or differ.

Because I think leaving the EU would be beneficial in the long run. I am a proponent of the sovereignty of nations and its people, opponent of corrupt elitist rule from abroad. One size does not fit all, every nation should be able to employ policies and or trade deals which are specific to their needs.

In a more general sense, it seems obvious to me the further any government is removed form the local inhabitants, the harder it will get to oppose an authoritarian corrupt body of government. And the EU is just that, imho.

[stevewinn]

32 minutes ago, Setton said:

Good job my contribution to this country doesn't rely on the opinion of empty headed cowards then. 

were all laughing at you.

27 minutes ago, Setton said:

Our country. The one I've grown up in. And the one that is too good to quietly go to the sidelines or Europe. 

They won the seat with a majority of 6000 and remain parties took 52% of the vote. 

even in the aftermath of the Tory landslide victory you still spout such rubbish. your adding Labour votes to the Remain side. Labours position was ambiguous, so your wrong to include them in your figures. seeing as Labour were still retaining the option of leaving the EU in their manifesto lets add their votes to the leave side instead, so 78% Leave 22% remain.

[Duke Wellington]

14 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Because I think leaving the EU would be beneficial in the long run. I am a proponent of the sovereignty of nations and its people, opponent of corrupt elitist rule from abroad. One size does not fit all, every nation should be able to employ policies and or trade deals which are specific to their needs.

In a more general sense, it seems obvious to me the further any government is removed form the local inhabitants, the harder it will get to oppose an authoritarian corrupt body of government. And the EU is just that, imho.

We have acquired an international class of people in London who work in our banking and financial services sector.

There is virtually no one working in that sector who is actually British, most of them are foreigners with no loyalty towards Britain, and our state is being dissolved to keep them happy. Most of the well paid jobs in this country are in London and arent occupied by our people but those international foreigners we have given citizenship too.

Our state is being slowly dissolved from beneath our feet with out cultural values, identity, and sovereignty gradually being lost. We have had successive Governments putting the interests of the international class before their own people. It is those who for 30 years have kept is in an EU we didnt want to be a part of.

But finally, we are getting out! We need to fix that North vs South divide. Its time we looked after our own people rather than flood our nation with high skilled immigrants and then put them first. Distribute the good jobs! Bring home well paid jobs British people can do rather than just those that need BA`s and Masters in finance and economics. Lets rebuild our Middle Class around the country by bring home the manufacturing back to these shores!

[L.A.T.1961]

We’re all living in Dominic Cummings’ world now.

One thing the nation should expect from a Johnson administration with Cummings at its heart is change. The former political adviser in the Department for Education spent years railing against the inefficiencies of the British civil service and the Westminster political system for what he saw as its bloated, plodding and narcissistic failure to address the ills of the nation.

If his online scribblings are taken at face value, Cummings will aim to stuff the Whitehall machine with scientists, mathematicians and “creators” from the start-up world in a bid to turbo-boost activity. Personnel will be slashed, and working practices such as “flexi-time,” which he says reduce productivity, will be seriously curtailed.

Cummings floated bringing in Cabinet ministers from outside parliament and shaping government agencies in the mold of a U.S. military research team. He has already introduced techniques used by NASA into meetings of the government’s no-deal Brexit committee.

His ultimate dream is to make Britain the “school of the world” — a leading nation in education and science, in a bid to help civilization counter existential threats such as nuclear war and resource conflict.

In a blog post written in the run-up to the general election, Cummings mooted hopes to “really change our economy for the better, making it more productive and fairer” by boosting long-term productivity, science, technology and helping the regions.

https://www.politico.eu/article/dominic-cummings-uk-electio-2019-strategy-conservative-victory/

 

Brussels now have a choice, they can either work with the UK or not.  

 

[Phaeton80]

2 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

We have acquired an international class of people in London who work in our banking and financial services sector.

There is virtually no one working in that sector who is actually British, most of them are foreigners with no loyalty towards Britain, and our state is being dissolved to keep them happy. Most of the well paid jobs in this country are in London and arent occupied by our people but those international foreigners we have given citizenship too.

Our state is being slowly dissolved from beneath our feet with out cultural values, identity, and sovereignty gradually being lost. We have had successive Governments putting the interests of the international class before their own people. It is those who for 30 years have kept is in an EU we didnt want to be a part of.

But finally, we are getting out! We need to fix that North vs South divide. Its time we looked after our own people rather than flood our nation with high skilled immigrants and then put them first. Distribute the good jobs! Bring home well paid jobs British people can do rather than just those that need BA`s and Masters in finance and economics. Lets rebuild our Middle Class around the country by bring home the manufacturing back to these shores!

 Youre preaching to the choir about leaving the EU.. Seems to me this has no bearing on what I stated what so ever, sounds like a standard reply youd issue to a remainer. Could it be youre a wee bit confused about encountering someone who's doesnt fit or defend either camp vielleicht? As Im sure leaving the EU will be beneficial (in theory), I am equally sure voting Johnson in office will prove detrimental.

Btw, still waiting for you to explain your reaction regarding Corbyn not being smeared to high heaven.

[Duke Wellington]

55 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Btw, still waiting for you to explain your reaction regarding Corbyn not being smeared to high heaven.

I think people who believe Corbyn was treated unfairly by the media are filtering out the grief that it also gave the other candidates.

There was a terrorist attack with the father of one of the victims laying into the right-wing approach of harsher sentences. Then there were criticisms of Tory spending on the NHS leaving patients on hospital floors, and various others.

The media hasn't singled out Corbyn, its been mean to all candidates.

[Phaeton80]

5 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

What is truly hilarious about Corbyn from a Conservative perspective is that our country has lost a lot of its industry over the last 30 years. So if Corbyn had said I am pro-Brexit, and instead of renationalising the industries he had planned he was going to setup back up our computer, consumer electronics, domestic appliances, car manufacturing, plane manufacturing, and heavy industries, he would have walked it.

Funny! The moron could not even take the stance he actually wanted on Brexit. And couldn't even use his strength as a socialist to propose an economic plan the people would have gone for. What an incompetent buffoon lol.

Said the guy who voted in Boris Johnson.. Good grief.

Corbyn is an incomparably more balanced, more trustworthy, more competent leader.. the only trouble is he isnt pro Brexit.

Youve just voted in an incompetent buffoon because youd been given the choice between these two options. Kinda reminds of.. erm.. well, you know.

Another fine day for 'democracy', yay!

 

Edited December 15, 2019 by Phaeton80

[Phaeton80]

16 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

I think people who believe Corbyn was treated unfairly by the media are filtering out the grief that it also gave the other candidates.

There was a terrorist attack with the father of one of the victims laying into the right-wing approach of harsher sentences. Then there were criticisms of Tory spending on the NHS leaving patients on hospital floors, and various others.

The media hasn't singled out Corbyn, its been mean to all candidates.

Oh please, the level in which that man has been hatchet jobbed is unrivalled. The only reason you cant see that is because youre 'on the other side', extremely biased.

Please forward anything even remotely in thesame ballpark, if youre serious about your argument here.

 

Edited December 15, 2019 by Phaeton80

[Duke Wellington]

11 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Oh please, the level in which that man has been hatchet jobbed is unrivalled. The only reason you cant see that is because youre 'on the other side', extremely biased.

Please forward anything even remotely in thesame ballpark, if youre serious about your argument here.

In what ways do you think the media were overly focused on Corbyn?

[itsnotoutthere]

10 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

I’d have expected you all gracious with this election win. I’m sure we all had fun.  Instead it’s very cold and bitter in here. 

Well, being called a racist, a bigot and thick for three and a have years will do that.

[Phaeton80]

8 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

Im no Corbyn fan by any measure, but I am against everything Boris Johnson represents.. What is, however, abundantly clear is the fact there has been a MASSIVE smear campaign against Corbyn, which should be obvious to anyone with a semblance of clarity. That is to say, anyone not completely drowned in the pro / anti Brexit or Labour / Tories partisanship.

For the record, I am pro Brexit, but vehemently anti Johnson.
 

Someone Interfered In The UK Election, And It Wasn’t Russia

How the UK military and intelligence establishment is working to stop Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister

 

Erm.. might want to actually read the links in my first post.. Both are filled to the brim with examples.

Edited December 15, 2019 by Phaeton80

[Phaeton80]

10 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

In what ways do you think the media were overly focused on Corbyn?

See above.

[Duke Wellington]

12 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

See above.

I think you are being a little bit too desperate to find a reason for Corbyn losing other than the main four:

Communism: Corbyn was far too socialist wanting to nationalise mail, rail, electricity, and the internet.

Democracy Subversion: He wanted to subvert our Democracy by ignoring the Brexit referendum and running a 2nd one instead. If that wasn't bad enough his proposed 2nd referendum was going to shaft those who wanted a Hard-Brexit by removing it off the ballet paper.

Constant Lying: We all watched Trump say the NHS would be on the table as part of a future trade deal. We then all watched May turn around and tell him no. Yet Corbyn tried constantly lying about it trying to make out the NHS was under threat. He even carried on doing this when Boris made it clear yet again that the NHS isn't up for sale.

Delusional Spending Plans: The biggest concern was his plan to spend £250 billion giving every household in the UK home insulation. But there were other proposed spending plans too which the Labour Party claimed were costed. At a time when we have £2.2 trillion in debt we are not in the position to spend the vast amounts of money Corbyn wanted for his delusional plans.

Thats why Corbyn lost, deal with it.

[Phaeton80]

38 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

I think you are being a little bit too desperate to find a reason for Corbyn losing other than the main four:

Communism: Corbyn was far too socialist wanting to nationalise mail, rail, electricity, and the internet.

Yep, thats Communism!  Trying to renationalise essential pillars of society instead of letting 'the market' drive up prices. You seem to have some trouble differentiating between communism and socialism, unsurprisingly.

Democracy Subversion: He wanted to subvert our Democracy by ignoring the Brexit referendum and running a 2nd one instead. If that wasn't bad enough his proposed 2nd referendum was going to shaft those who wanted a Hard-Brexit by removing it off the ballet paper.

Running a second referendum is 'anti Democracy'?! But a two party system isnt? Eventhough I fully support a Brexit, thats some impressive mental gymnastics right there.

Constant Lying: We all watched Trump say the NHS would be on the table as part of a future trade deal. We then all watched May turn around and tell him no. Yet Corbyn tried constantly lying about it trying to make out the NHS was under threat. He even carried on doing this when Boris made it clear yet again that the NHS isn't up for sale.

As opposed to.. the always honest Boris Johnson.. Right you are!

Delusional Spending Plans: The biggest concern was his plan to spend £250 billion giving every household in the UK home insulation. But there were other proposed spending plans too which the Labour Party claimed were costed. At a time when we have £2.2 trillion in debt we are not in the position to spend the vast amounts of money Corbyn wanted for his delusional plans.\

Unless you supply the specifics this is a meaningless implication for all Im concerned.

Thats why Corbyn lost, deal with it.

Think I care dude? Guess again. Im just calling out your raging, unwise bias here.

Youre going to have to deal with Boris Johnson as your 'commander in chief' for the coming years. Hope it will be all you imagined it to be.

Oh and well done in evading the point I made, and refusing to ground your reply to that point.

Edited December 15, 2019 by Phaeton80

[Duke Wellington]

38 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Think I care dude? Guess again. Im just calling out your raging, unwise bias here.

Youre going to have to deal with Boris Johnson as your 'commander in chief' for the coming years. Hope it will be all you imagined it to be.

Oh and well done in evading the point I made, and refusing to ground your reply to that point.

The only one convinced by your argument that Corbyn lost the election because of media bias is you. You cannot cope with the fact that he lost. You are desperate to find any reason other than the most obvious one - we didnt want the lunatic in charge.

And as you fail to accept that fact and keep on moaning about it remember one thing - what you think is irrelevant because we won lmao!

[stevewinn]

15 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

The only one convinced by your argument that Corbyn lost the election because of media bias is you. You cannot cope with the fact that he lost. You are desperate to find any reason other than the most obvious one - we didnt want the lunatic in charge.

And as you fail to accept that fact and keep on moaning about it remember one thing - what you think is irrelevant because we won lmao!

Phaeton80 is a troll. Don't feed him. He come on here no one paid him any attention. So then he posts again quoting himself,  then you replied, he'll then post in agreement so he'll agree with your post so both of you are on the same page, because he's got a conversation going and has you engaged he turns and before you know it he has you locked in and going in circles. That's why I don't reply to him anymore. It's always the same tactic. Hes a pain in the ****. He wants to blame the Russians And all other mad conspiracies that's what he wants to really talk about. And goes around the houses to get there. 

Edited December 15, 2019 by stevewinn

[Golden Duck]

16 hours ago, tmcom said:

Same pattern over and over, US, AU, and now UK, (well now again) all kicking the Greens into the cesspool and giving Labor a leaking boat.

Labor after losing also bleated on about keeping their 100% renewable, 100% electric, and 100% statewide power blackouts, beliefs going, and are now slowly ditching it, in AU, New Zealand is still digging a hole, but also has this impractical or insane ideal, that will get it voted out eventually, (just like the UK, one, the poor will only take so much, skipping meals and burning books to stay warm crap) before turning liberal.

The world has had enough of this demented ideal, and is voting out the crazies, (definition of crazies are individuals who ignore facts, or ignore their own incompetence).

Germany should be next, they are in pretty bad shape.

It's way simpler than that.  The Greens just haven't got a record of running anything successfully.  Their manifesto before the last federal election was to raise wages and corporate tax (and usher in inflation).  Labor and the nation building policy was going to cost money.

Employment was the most important issue.  That's why Adani and Queensland was such a factor.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Golden Duck

[+and-then]

On 12/14/2019 at 5:07 PM, RabidMongoose said:

Why was the Channel 4 audience full of remoaners?

I haven't seen that many long faces and burgeoning despair since 11/2016