stevewinn Posted December 9, 2019 #676 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: Just had the biggest laugh listening to BBC radio 4 news on the way home from work. Item one on the news.......Nasty old Boris doesn't give the right response and fails to give the correct answer when some reporter shoves a photo under his nose showing a lad laying on his coat on a hospital floor (2 days before a general election) Item no. 4 on the news......Boris Johnson has questioned whether in this day and age if the licence fee (tax) is an appropriate method for funding the BBC going forward. Me thinks item 1 is a direct result of item 4. Oh and in other news 5 people (including brits) have been burnt to death on a volcanic island. Priorities huh!!! desperate times for the comrades, trouble is the people are not falling for it and the media are in panic mode, look at their attempt with factcheck, like their the voice of reason and authority on matters. no one believes them no more. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted December 9, 2019 #677 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, stevewinn said: desperate times for the comrades, trouble is the people are not falling for it and the media are in panic mode, look at their attempt with factcheck, like their the voice of reason and authority on matters. no one believes them no more. Do you know what Steve, I would love to see the figures for the receipts for the licence fee. I bet you any money you like the drop off in people paying the licence fee over the last few years has been quite significan (hence the reason for now going after OAPs) And Im seriously thinking of following suit. The one reason I used to give for carrying on watching the BBC was that I still enjoyed watching nature programs like Attenbrough does, but now even that is becoming a chore due to the preachy approach. I keep expecting a lecture from Attenbrough about the decline in numbers of the lesser spotted red wing followed by him pointing at the camera and saying something like....."and its all your bloody fault" I would love to see Boris win by a landslide.......you'll be able to hear the sound of tightening sphincters at the BBC for miles. Edited December 9, 2019 by itsnotoutthere 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted December 9, 2019 #678 Share Posted December 9, 2019 You guys all know there is no reason for the UK to have the worlds 5th largest economy? When we look at how we run our state all we do is drive up the operating costs for our businesses. We have high fuel tax, carbon tax, high employer social security contributions, license requirements for all types of industry and lots of red tape. And many more! How about going nuclear only instead of spending more per kilowatt hour due to renewables? How about abolishing carbon tax? How about cut tax on fuel? How about privatising as much of the state sector as possible and then reducing employer social security contributions? How about streamlining licensing, industry standards, and red tape? What the socialists dont sdont realise is that with every penny extra they drive up the operating costs of our businesses making it harder for them to compete selling their products and services. That is the real reason why China makes everything. China only has cheap labour (1/4 of the salary in the UK). The shipping costs should more than offset that. But no, we make it hard for our organisations to compete on cost. We make it virtually impossible for our firms to become the market leaders in their industries by preventing them locking down markets with the largest economy of scale savings. We could have the 2nd largest GDP if we wanted but it means getting rid of socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted December 9, 2019 #679 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: You guys all know there is no reason for the UK to have the worlds 5th largest economy? When we look at how we run our state all we do is drive up the operating costs for our businesses. We have high fuel tax, carbon tax, high employer social security contributions, license requirements for all types of industry and lots of red tape. And many more! How about going nuclear only instead of spending more per kilowatt hour due to renewables? How about abolishing carbon tax? How about cut tax on fuel? How about privatising as much of the state sector as possible and then reducing employer social security contributions? How about streamlining licensing, industry standards, and red tape? What the socialists dont sdont realise is that with every penny extra they drive up the operating costs of our businesses making it harder for them to compete selling their products and services. That is the real reason why China makes everything. China only has cheap labour (1/4 of the salary in the UK). The shipping costs should more than offset that. But no, we make it hard for our organisations to compete on cost. We make it virtually impossible for our firms to become the market leaders in their industries by preventing them locking down markets with the largest economy of scale savings. We could have the 2nd largest GDP if we wanted but it means getting rid of socialism. Yeah, but our corporation tax is only about 60% of what it is in the USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted December 9, 2019 #680 Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: Yeah, but our corporation tax is only about 60% of what it is in the USA Its a start. What I am saying is we dont use our brains by looking at the ways of doing things that keeps the operating costs of our businesses low so they can compete on price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted December 9, 2019 #681 Share Posted December 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: Do you know what Steve, I would love to see the figures for the receipts for the licence fee. I bet you any money you like the drop off in people paying the licence fee over the last few years has been quite significant. And Im seriously thinking of following suit. The one reason I used to give for carrying on watch the BBC was that I still enjoyed watch nature programs like Attenbrough does, but now even that is becoming a chore due to the preachy approach. I keep expecting a lecture from Attenbrough about the decline in numbers of the lesser spotted red wing followed by him pointing at the camera and saying something like....."and its all your bloody fault" yes, im of the same thinking, BBC worth the fee for programmes like one planet 7 continents, sky at night and other science and history, natural history. But its all to preachy as you say. As for their other programming, it no longer reflects the opinions of its license payers with its constant ram it down your throat political correctness,. as such licence payers are leaving in their droves. what we do know the percentage of viewership share was in 2018 BBC 33%, ITV 22% Channel 4, 12%. The BBC is in full on panic mode as 16 to 35 year olds watch just 1 hour 12 minutes of BBC TV a day. 882,000 licenses were cancelled so far this year. 2019. 860,000 cancelled 2018. 798,000 cancelled 2017. BBC monthly cost £12.00 Netflix £6.00 Amazon Prime £6.50 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted December 9, 2019 #682 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, stevewinn said: yes, im of the same thinking, BBC worth the fee for programmes like one planet 7 continents, sky at night and other science and history, natural history. But its all to preachy as you say. As for their other programming, it no longer reflects the opinions of its license payers with its constant ram it down your throat political correctness,. as such licence payers are leaving in their droves. what we do know the percentage of viewership share was in 2018 BBC 33%, ITV 22% Channel 4, 12%. The BBC is in full on panic mode as 16 to 35 year olds watch just 1 hour 12 minutes of BBC TV a day. 882,000 licenses were cancelled so far this year. 2019. 860,000 cancelled 2018. 798,000 cancelled 2017. BBC monthly cost £12.00 Netflix £6.00 Amazon Prime £6.50 I dont have a BBC license, I dont have a television. We have 3 tablets, 3 mobiles, 2 laptops, and a desktop PC. We have Netflix and Amazon Prime only. I refuse to pay money to a Communist organisation so that it can keep brainwashing our youth. Edited December 9, 2019 by RabidMongoose 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted December 9, 2019 #683 Share Posted December 9, 2019 28 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: I dont have a BBC license, I dont have a television. We have 3 tablets, 3 mobiles, 2 laptops, and a desktop PC. We have Netflix and Amazon Prime only. I refuse to pay money to a Communist organisation so that it can keep brainwashing our youth. So you didn't see me on TV again tonight (BBC2 at 7pm) - see what you are missing out on! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted December 9, 2019 #684 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Essan said: So you didn't see me on TV again tonight (BBC2 at 7pm) - see what you are missing out on! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted December 9, 2019 #685 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: ? I was on Celebrity Antiques Roadtrip. Again .... (Not as the celebrity!) But I agree that the my occasional appearances on the BBC are not a reason to keep it as it is and possibly a very good reason to get rid of it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted December 9, 2019 #686 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Essan said: I was on Celebrity Antiques Roadtrip. Again .... (Not as the celebrity!) But I agree that the my occasional appearances on the BBC are not a reason to keep it as it is and possibly a very good reason to get rid of it Are you famous or a member of the public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted December 9, 2019 #687 Share Posted December 9, 2019 You really have to love the richness of the Tories' hypocrisy. "End Brexit Chaos. Vote Conservative." It's their stupid incompetence that's responsible for Brexit Chaos in the first place!! Bloody stupid buffoons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted December 9, 2019 #688 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said: You really have to love the richness of the Tories' hypocrisy. "End Brexit Chaos. Vote Conservative." It's their stupid incompetence that's responsible for Brexit Chaos in the first place!! Bloody stupid buffoons. My god, where have you been for the last three and a half years? First we had a referendum (with the biggest turnout in british history after 5 months of campaigning by both sides but with the remain camp spending 12 million of our tax money) to which all the party leaders agreed they would abide by the will of the people and respect the outcome. Then we had the losers doing a Hilary and crying in their beer about how unfair it all was and how the working class plebs are all thick and racist, then we put the arch remainer in charge of negotiations who did eveything possible to **** it up. Then we had the massed ranks of the upset London Guardianistas and media lefty spivs doing all they could to derail the process, egging on their self appointed queen Miller abetted by her nonce Bercow. Then we had the unconvicted war criminal scum bag Blair sticking his oar in with the backing (as much air time as you want dear) left wing BBC. Then we had every MP with a vested interest do everything they could to sabotage it again with the help of that nonce Bercow, and now we have Jo (***king) Swinson and her vested interested husband not even pretending to give two figs for democracy and running on a platform of "vote for me and I'll ignore 17.5 million voters that I don't happen to agree with" .....and she calls herself a democrat!!!! No its people like you and everybody else who are quite happy to stick two fingers up to democracy that have caused all this, and I know that deep down you know it and they know it. P.s. And if you had any self respect you'd delete that quote by Orwell, because if he were alive he would be disgusted at the way the ruling classes have spit in the eye of british voters and trampled on democracy. Edited December 9, 2019 by itsnotoutthere 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted December 9, 2019 #689 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: My god, where have you been for the last three and a half years? First we had a referendum to which all the party leaders agreed they would abide by the will of the people and respect the outcome. Then we had the losers doing a Hilary and crying in their beer about how unfair it all was and how the working class plebs are all thick and racist, then we put the arch remainer in charge of negotiations who did eveything possible to **** it up. Then we had the massed ranks of the upset London Guardianistas and media lefty spivs doing all they could to derail the process, egging on their self appointed queen Miller abetted by her nonce Bercow. Then we had the unconvicted war criminal scum bag Blair sticking his oar in with the backing (as much air time as you want dear) left wing BBC. Then we had every MP with a vested interest do everything they could to sabotage it again with the help of that nonce Bercow, and now we have Jo ***king Swinson and her vested interested husband not even pretending to give two figs for democracy and running on a platform of "vote for me and I'll ignore 17.5 million voters that I don't happen to agree with" .....and she calls herself a democrat!!!! No its people like you and everybody else who are quite happy to stick two fingers up at democracy that have caused all this, and I know that deep down you know it and they know it. Corbyn is at it too. Oh we are a Democracy so we will have a confirmation vote on our Brexit Deal. You can vote for it, or to remain. But we will leave the Hard-Brexit option off the ballet paper. Nice stitch-up that one! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted December 10, 2019 #690 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Caught a bit of BBC breakfast news this morning, apparently later in the program they are doing the last of the leadership interviews in the lead up to the election. They made a great play of the fact that in previous interviews they had complaints from the public that there were too many interruptions and the guests were not allowed time to finish their answers, so this interview will be different and the guest will be given plenty of time to put their point across and not interrupted.......... Guess who the last interview is with? Edited December 10, 2019 by itsnotoutthere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted December 10, 2019 Author #691 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I don't want this to happen because Brexit is lost if a Labour / SNP / LibDem (etc) coalition win power... Boris Johnson could still pull the Conservative Candidates out in any constituency that the Brexit Party is standing in.... (don't know if he can but I presume he can) But I doubt that he will... and if he doesn't there is a risk that he will loose... I think this is going to go to the wire... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/10/tuesday-morning-news-briefing-jeremycorbyn-could-win-election/ Tactical voting in 12 constituencies could oust Johnson Jeremy Corbyn is "much closer" to becoming prime minister than voters think. A Conservative party memo has warned the Labour leader could get into Downing Street without winning a single extra seat. It says the chances of a Corbyn-led coalition have been "seriously underestimated", predicting that gains of just 12 seats by the SNP, Liberal Democrats and other minor parties would be enough to remove Boris Johnson from No 10. Political Editor Gordon Rayner has details of the internal Tory polling on the chances of a hung parliament. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.A.T.1961 Posted December 10, 2019 #692 Share Posted December 10, 2019 More fun and games this morning with the Jonathan Ashworth, Shadow Health Minister, gaffe. He said - “I’ve been going round these national places, it’s dire for Labour… it’s dire… it’s awful for them, and it’s the combination of Corbyn and Brexit….outside of the city seats… it’s abysmal out there… they can’t stand Corbyn and they think Labour’s blocked Brexit. I think middle-class graduates – remainy people – Labour’s doing well among… but not in big enough numbers to deny the Tories a majority.” He is asked by a friend “If he got in would he be as bad as I suspect?” “I don’t know, on the security stuff; I worked in No.10, I think the machine will pretty quickly move to safeguard security (I mean the civil service machine). But it’s not going to happen! I can’t see it happening!” https://order-order.com/2019/12/10/ashworth-civil-service-machine-will-move-quickly-safeguard-national-security-corbyn/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted December 10, 2019 #693 Share Posted December 10, 2019 21 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said: Just had the biggest laugh listening to BBC radio 4 news on the way home from work. Item one on the news.......Nasty old Boris doesn't give the right response and fails to give the correct answer when some reporter shoves a photo under his nose showing a lad laying on his coat on a hospital floor (2 days before a general election remember) Item no. 4 on the news......Boris Johnson has questioned whether in this day and age if the licence fee (tax) is an appropriate method for funding the BBC going forward. Me thinks item 1 is a direct result of item 4. Oh and in other news 5 people (including brits) have been burnt to death on a volcanic island. Priorities huh!!! Item 1 was in the news well before today. And I think the PM dodging questions and taking a reporter's phone for daring to ask them is more newsworthy than his sulking that the press is holding him to account. The volcano was the lead article on BBC all of yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted December 10, 2019 #694 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Setton said: Item 1 was in the news well before today. And I think the PM dodging questions and taking a reporter's phone for daring to ask them is more newsworthy than his sulking that the press is holding him to account. The volcano was the lead article on BBC all of yesterday. You redness is shining through. Have you prepared your Brexit tears for Friday? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted December 10, 2019 #695 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: You redness is shining through. Still not a Labour supporter. Just find his desperation to pin his constant losses on the BBC wearing. Quote Have you prepared your Brexit tears for Friday? Why would I? Either The Tories get in, in which case we get Boris' deal. Not ideal but bearable. Or we get another hung parliament, probably with Corbyn in charge, in which case we get another referendum. Most satisfyingly, your undemocratic, unpopular no deal Brexit is long dead by now. Obviously, there are a whole host of other issues besides Brexit, whoever gets in, which are another kettle of fish. Edited December 10, 2019 by Setton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted December 10, 2019 #696 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Setton said: Still not a Labour supporter. Just find his desperation to pin his constant losses on the BBC wearing. Why would I? Either The Tories get in, in which case we get Boris' deal. Not ideal but bearable. Or we get another hung parliament, probably with Corbyn in charge, in which case we get another referendum. Most satisfyingly, your undemocratic, unpopular no deal Brexit is long dead by now. Obviously, there are a whole host of other issues besides Brexit, whoever gets in, which are another kettle of fish. "Constant losses" .....Absolutely no idea what that means. "Undemocratic" there you go with the irony yet again......you're getting really good at it. Prepare yourselves lads.......I think we'll be getting the Hilary Clinton treatment after Thursday. ........... Edited December 10, 2019 by itsnotoutthere 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted December 10, 2019 #697 Share Posted December 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: "Constant losses" .....Absolutely no idea what that means. "Undemocratic" there you go with the irony yet again......you're getting really good at it. Prepare yourselves lads.......I think we'll be getting the Hilary Clinton treatment after Thursday. ........... Why not re-run the election until he gets the result he wants? He wants to do it with Brexit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewinn Posted December 10, 2019 #698 Share Posted December 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: Why not re-run the election until he gets the result he wants? He wants to do it with Brexit. will he be doing his trick of adding up all the losing party votes and pretending the losers really won. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted December 10, 2019 Author #699 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Mahyar Tousi is still upbeat that the Conservative's are going to win... and talking about a Survation poll.. Labour Party In Meltdown As Corbyn Faces Wipeout In Election 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.A.T.1961 Posted December 10, 2019 #700 Share Posted December 10, 2019 The last big poll from YouGov has been realised. It predicts a Tory majority, although smaller than their previous, similar poll, a few weeks ago. New numbers - Predicted vote shares have the Conservatives on 43%, Labour on 34%, the Liberal Democrats on 12% and the Brexit Party on 3%. These vote shares translate into 339 seats for the Conservatives, 231 for Labour, 41 for the SNP and 15 for the Liberal Democrats - giving the Conservatives an overall majority of 28. The poll was conducted between the 4th of December and this morning, based on 105,612 interviews. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/10/final-2019-general-election-mrp-model-small- These percentage numbers are in line with new average, poll of polls, results. Current Prediction: Conservative majority 48 Party 2017 Votes 2017 Seats Pred Votes Low Seats Pred Seats High Seats CON 43.5% 318 43.5% 260 349 437 LAB 41.0% 262 34.2% 146 226 309 LIB 7.6% 12 12.2% 9 13 38 Brexit 0.0% 0 3.1% 0 0 1 Green 1.7% 1 2.1% 0 1 1 SNP 3.1% 35 3.5% 22 41 47 Prediction based on opinion polls from 04 Dec 2019 to 09 Dec 2019, sampling 16,344 people. https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html BBC poll tracker. Party support. Con 43%, Lab 33%, LD 13%, BRX 4% https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49798197 Its also worth remembering that Sinn Fein don't sit in the Commons, usually, and this would increase any working majority by 4-6 seats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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