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skookum
9 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Phaeton80 is a troll. Don't feed him. He come on here no one paid him any attention. So then he posts again quoting himself,  then you replied, he'll then post in agreement so he'll agree with your post so both of you are on the same page, because he's got a conversation going and has you engaged he turns and before you know it he has you locked in and going in circles. That's why I don't reply to him anymore. It's always the same tactic. Hes a pain in the ****. He wants to blame the Russians And all other mad conspiracies that's what he wants to really talk about. And goes around the houses to get there. 

He is a prime example of how the UK has dodged the bullet of going down a very dark path.

It is clear that Corbyn supporters have no belief in democracy and consider themselves victims.

You listen to them ranting that they want Corbyn regardless of what the majority voted for. Or in other words a democratic election is no longer necessary.

That is communism but they are in denial about that too.

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UK general election: World leaders, UK voters react to Boris Johnson's victory
 

 

First 3 minutes - reaction of World Leaders

3:00 - David Cameron talking to a tree ^_^

4:00 - Tweet from President Trump sending congratulations

4:03 onwards - comments from the General Public

 

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stevewinn
1 hour ago, skookum said:

He is a prime example of how the UK has dodged the bullet of going down a very dark path.

It is clear that Corbyn supporters have no belief in democracy and consider themselves victims.

You listen to them ranting that they want Corbyn regardless of what the majority voted for. Or in other words a democratic election is no longer necessary.

That is communism but they are in denial about that too.

The Labour party was infiltrated when they thought it was a good idea to charge £3 for membership followed by letting the membership and not the Parliamentary party decide who the leader should be. the communists who existed on the fringes of the party took full advantage and they ended up with Corbyn a man whose been anti-everything all his political life, with no rhyme or reason other than to be anti-govt. He's offered nothing in the way of resolving issues and thats why he was out of his depth with Brexit. because it needed solutions and he had none. no-wonder they want 16 year olds to vote because they need a gullible demographic. and you can lump the SNP in with that last sentence. 

if we look at the voting by age, the majority of young people 18 - 24 vote Labour, when you get to the 25 - 35 age bracket the balance starts to shift, but still a mixture and by the time we get to 36 - 45 then its firmly moving towards Tory territory, when its 45 - 65+ the vast majority vote Tory and why is that because when your young your gullible, believe in the easy solutions to hard problems of life, but as you gain life experience you see through it all and turn your back on the false premises Labour offer. Labour becomes the outlet for people in life who always want to blame someone else for their lot in life.

Its a path me myself have taken. When first eligible to vote i voted Labour in two general elections. the more life experience i've gained the more savvy one becomes that socialism doesn't work. and at 37 im firmly in the centre right of politics and conservatism.

Voting%20intention%20likelihood%20by%20a

 

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7 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

The Labour party was infiltrated when they thought it was a good idea to charge £3 for membership followed by letting the membership and not the Parliamentary party decide who the leader should be. the communists who existed on the fringes of the party took full advantage and they ended up with Corbyn a man whose been anti-everything all his political life, with no rhyme or reason other than to be anti-govt. He's offered nothing in the way of resolving issues and thats why he was out of his depth with Brexit. because it needed solutions and he had none. no-wonder they want 16 year olds to vote because they need a gullible demographic. and you can lump the SNP in with that last sentence. 

if we look at the voting by age, the majority of young people 18 - 24 vote Labour, when you get to the 25 - 35 age bracket the balance starts to shift, but still a mixture and by the time we get to 36 - 45 then its firmly moving towards Tory territory, when its 45 - 65+ the vast majority vote Tory and why is that because when your young your gullible, believe in the easy solutions to hard problems of life, but as you gain life experience you see through it all and turn your back on the false premises Labour offer. Labour becomes the outlet for people in life who always want to blame someone else for their lot in life.

Its a path me myself have taken. When first eligible to vote i voted Labour in two general elections. the more life experience i've gained the more savvy one becomes that socialism doesn't work. and at 37 im firmly in the centre right of politics and conservatism.

Voting%20intention%20likelihood%20by%20a

 

Me too. I'm a little bit older than you Steve, and can remember the Labour Government before Blair. As you indicate, young people tend to vote for socialist government for idealistic reasons but also because they have never seen one in operation, if they had, they might think twice.

Corbyn & his followers were big fans of the Venezuela model.....look what happened there.

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bee
3 hours ago, and then said:

I haven't seen that many long faces and burgeoning despair since 11/2016

 

Yeah Westminster Bubble goes POP...
Like the Washington Bubble burst in Nov. '16...

The Political Class who appear to spend their time in an echo chamber get a rude awakening to find
out that their EMPLOYERS (the public).... are not on the same page as them...

And annoyingly, like with the EU referendum and the Trump victory.... losers in the UK General Election
are saying things like.... 'oh I am so worried for my constituents and the working classes etc etc..'

which is another way of saying (AGAIN)...... those people are so stupid they don't know what they're
voting for.... and the sub text..... I was here to SAVE them and tell them what to do... but would they listen?
No the stupid fools just went ahead and voted against me... they must obviously be racist, homophobic,
xenophobic.... and all the other phobics.... that must be the reason.....annoying lorry loads of deplorables...
the lot of them... grrrrrrrrr (sob)

^_^

 

 

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itsnotoutthere

I thought the incident with Nish Kumar was a nice distillation of how the country was feeling & how out of touch our London cousins are.

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21 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

Im no Corbyn fan by any measure, but I am against everything Boris Johnson represents.. What is, however, abundantly clear is the fact there has been a MASSIVE smear campaign against Corbyn, which should be obvious to anyone with a semblance of clarity. That is to say, anyone not completely drowned in the pro / anti Brexit or Labour / Tories partisanship.

For the record, I am pro Brexit, but vehemently anti Johnson.
 

Someone Interfered In The UK Election, And It Wasn’t Russia

How the UK military and intelligence establishment is working to stop Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister

 

 

Thanks for the 'pro Brexit' statement...

To be honest I think both Corbyn AND Johnson were smeared... but by different factions..
those factions being the military re Corbyn and the Globalists (NWO) re Johnson..

???

 

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quillius
On 12/13/2019 at 9:21 AM, bee said:

 

ouch

condolences about your bet....

 

hey Bee, not all bad as I also had a spread bet on everything over 340 seats, so basically winning a nice amount for every seat over 340 :)

I guess the best thing that can happen now (as far as icing on the cake) is for Dianne Abbott to become new Labour PM .............lol

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On 12/13/2019 at 1:26 PM, and then said:

I feared that outcome.  I have always admired and respected Britain and I was worried that you guys had gone through some bizarre changes just like we have over here.  At least it didn't go THAT wrong :) 

I hope that now the people's voice will not only be heard but OBEYED!

would have been devastating.....I would have sold my company and headed abroad somewhere.....

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''its because of Brexit that the conservatives won''

''the result still indicated the remain vote won''

 

So which is it, seems too many want to have it both ways.......

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8 minutes ago, quillius said:

hey Bee, not all bad as I also had a spread bet on everything over 340 seats, so basically winning a nice amount for every seat over 340 :)

I guess the best thing that can happen now (as far as icing on the cake) is for Dianne Abbott to become new Labour PM .............lol


Phew..... pleased to hear it.... :tu:

my recent political bet is for Bloomberg to be Democrat Candidate in 2020 US elections..
My stakes are usually VERY modest but I was moved to put £20 @ 16/1 and then £5 @ 25/1
the odds are tens or below now... so I just nipped in in time... 
 

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33 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

I thought the incident with Nish Kumar was a nice distillation of how the country was feeling & how out of touch our London cousins are.

 

just had to remind myself what this was about... :) 
 

https://www.brightonandhoveindependent.co.uk/news/people/nish-kumar-gig-in-brighton-turns-ugly-and-hostile-as-hecklers-disrupt-performance-1-9175212
 

which lead me to check on how Caroline Lucas got on in Brighton... and as expected she did well
with an increased % of vote and was re-elected as the only Green MP in the H of Commons...

God she's been annoying during the last 3 1/2 years of anti Brexit Shenanigans in Parliament..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_Pavilion_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

 

 

General election 2019: Brighton Pavilion[13]
Party Candidate Votes % ±
  Green Caroline Lucas 33,151 57.2 +4.9
  Labour Adam Imanpour 13,211 22.8 –4.0
  Conservative Emma Hogan 10,176 17.5 –1.7
  Brexit Party Richard Milton 770 1.3 N/A
  Monster Raving Loony Citizen Skwith 301 0.5 N/A
  Independent Bob Dobbs 212 0.4 N/A
  UKIP Nigel Furness 177 0.3 –0.8
Majority 19,940 34.4 +8.9
Turnout 57,998 73.4 –3.1
  Green hold Swing  

 

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Phaeton80
54 minutes ago, bee said:

 

Thanks for the 'pro Brexit' statement...

To be honest I think both Corbyn AND Johnson were smeared... but by different factions..
those factions being the military re Corbyn and the Globalists (NWO) re Johnson..

???

 


My (limited) understanding is that Johnson is pro ME interventions, pro Israel (ie. armssales), anti nationalisation of energy / public transport etc and pro (hard) Brexit.

Given the childish stance the EU bureaucrats have been taking ('if youre not with us youre against us'), the resulting hard Brexit Johnson has been threatening/planning, and the highly questionable qualities of thesame Johnson (understatement).. I think chances are Britain is going to have some of the worst effects possible from taking this route. Is she going to serve as an example for the rest, in a negative sense (so as to scare other nations away from following thesame route)?

Could you elaborate on why you suppose 'the military' is its own entity, not controlled by thesame who have fomented the ME deceptions.. and who the Globalists are (given you state this is a different faction)?
Im also curious which (mainstream) media outlets smeared Johnson..

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30 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:


My (limited) understanding is that Johnson is pro ME interventions, pro Israel (ie. armssales), anti nationalisation of energy / public transport etc and pro (hard) Brexit.

Given the childish stance the EU bureaucrats have been taking ('if youre not with us youre against us'), the resulting hard Brexit Johnson has been threatening/planning, and the highly questionable qualities of thesame Johnson (understatement).. I think chances are Britain is going to have some of the worst effects possible from taking this route. Is she going to serve as an example for the rest, in a negative sense (so as to scare other nations away from following thesame route)?


At the moment Johnson is supporting 'his' deal, which Farage has said isn't really satisfactory because
it keeps us tied too close to the EU... and that it is more or less the Theresa May deal with a bit of
tinkering about... notably in matters of Northern Ireland..

but Farage's hands were tied and supporting Boris was his best bet to keep Brexit from being wrecked
by the Lab / LibDem/SNP potential coalition -

but if there are changes to the situation I think Boris could creep towards the No Deal scenario...
not sure at the moment.. 

when it comes to setting an example to the rest of the EU countries... I would think they (EU) are worried that
this election has encouraged more anti EU sentiment ...

This election was called specifically to break the Brexit deadlock in Parliament and it was successful in that..
so other matters are kind of unimportant at the moment... but I was pleased that Boris was quick to
acknowledge that it was the Working Class Labour voters switching to him that has made it all possible
and he has said he won't let them down...... and he does 'owe them' and I think he will want to show
that over time....?
 

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Could you elaborate on why you suppose 'the military' is its own entity, not controlled by thesame who have fomented the ME deceptions.. and who the Globalists are (given you state this is a different faction)?
Im also curious which (mainstream) media outlets smeared Johnson..

 

I generalized with 'military' after looking at your link....

And I get what you are saying re the destabilizing of the ME where the Military Industrial Complex
and the Globalist New World Order Lot kind of overlap..... I would expect there to be quite a bit
of differences of opinion  in the high echelons of the Military regarding it all.. dunno... I'm no expert
on the matter.... but who controls the military has a lot of power... above and beyond the Govt
of the day... ?

I don't watch much MSM media any more... but for one.... the BBC are left leaning and so were anti Boris
as far as I saw - and I would think that most of the others.... ie Guardian, Independent, Mirror to mention
some others... were as well..... 

 

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3 minutes ago, bee said:

I don't watch much MSM media any more... but for one.... the BBC are left leaning and so were anti Boris
as far as I saw - and I would think that most of the others.... ie Guardian, Independent, Mirror to mention
some others... were as well..... 

@Phaeton80

just to add..... for example they have tried to smear him by linking him to Trump...

(I know you are anti Trump and might not agree.............. BUT...........)

It's a well tried formula for smearing - create a bogey man - demonize them
then if anyone says anything nice about them hit them with a BIG STICK...

this formula applies to the demonizing of Trump - Putin - Alex Jones - Tommy Robinson
to name 4 examples of the Bogey Man formula..... :) 

 

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when it comes to setting an example to the rest of the EU countries... I would think they (EU) are worried that
this election has encouraged more anti EU sentiment ...


Well, all I can say that on the mainland, Netherlands / Germany specifically, the British situation thusfar has been painted (by the MSM) as extreme chaos (which is probably, largely true.. the incompetence and childish bickering between GB >< EU has been / is tedious), adding dire projections about the economic fallout which 'will' result from a Brexit. In short; GB has been acting as a threat to other nations not to follow suit, I can assure you.

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14 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:


Well, all I can say that on the mainland, Netherlands / Germany specifically, the British situation thusfar has been painted (by the MSM) as extreme chaos (which is probably, largely true.. the incompetence and childish bickering between GB >< EU has been / is tedious), adding dire projections about the economic fallout which 'will' result from a Brexit. In short; GB has been acting as a threat to other nations not to follow suit, I can assure you.


Interesting and on reflection.... totally expected as the EU try and head off a repeat of Brexit
in any other of the EU countries...

It would have been a miracle if your MSM and others in Europe had done anything else...
but create the impression it was all a horrible mess.....

edit to add..... oh and it was the Remainers who made the mess, trying to wreck Brexit....
they wanted to create the impression of chaos (on a daily basis for 3 1/2 years) as a
tactic... 

another edit to say I've got to go now.... if you reply will read it later

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17 minutes ago, bee said:


Interesting and on reflection.... totally expected as the EU try and head off a repeat of Brexit
in any other of the EU countries...

It would have been a miracle if your MSM and others in Europe had done anything else...
but create the impression it was all a horrible mess.....

edit to add..... oh and it was the Remainers who made the mess, trying to wreck Brexit....
they wanted to create the impression of chaos (on a daily basis for 3 1/2 years) as a
tactic... 

another edit to say I've got to go now.... if you reply will read it later


Id say the EU had a big hand in that mess as well.. if not the main cause.

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14 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:


Said the guy who voted in Boris Johnson.. Good grief.

Corbyn is an incomparably more balanced, more trustworthy, more competent leader.. the only trouble is he isnt pro Brexit.

Youve just voted in an incompetent buffoon because youd been given the choice between these two options. Kinda reminds of.. erm.. well, you know.

Another fine day for 'democracy', yay!

 

I'd have to disagree @Phaeton80. firstly, I wouldn't describe Jeremy Corbyn as being a "more competent leader". Secondly, Boris Johnson is FAR from being an incompetent buffoon. He was successful as the Mayor of London (for two terms), he was reasonable as Foreign Minister - with a couple of hiccups - under Theresa May. 

14 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:


Oh please, the level in which that man has been hatchet jobbed is unrivalled. The only reason you cant see that is because youre 'on the other side', extremely biased.

Please forward anything even remotely in thesame ballpark, if youre serious about your argument here.

 

If it is true that the media where harsh on Jeremy Corbyn, then perhaps that was because there was a lot to be harsh ABOUT ?

His support for the IRA  (bringing two of their terrorists on a tour of Parliament, and extending a similar invitation to a HAMAS terrorist fundraiser). He has participated in numerous Palestinian protests at which violent preachers spoke about the destruction of Israel (bordering on incitement), has spoken against every single deployment of British armed forces (including the Falklands, for which I can never forgive him, and the Liberation of Kuwait. Mind you .. he also spoke against the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, on which point he has subsequently been proven right). 

He is an unreconstructed Marxist, and supports mass re-nationalisation of Water, Electricity, Gas, the Trains, and many others, but without explaining how he would pay for it. He regards Venezuela as an economic and social role-model ! He is a radical who would distant the UK from its US allies, and gleefully surrender to the European Union. His statements about refusing to deploy UK forces beyond our shores would put us in conflict with our NATO responsibilities and commitments. His hostiility to the five-eyes intelligence-sharing agreement would put our national security in jeopardy. 

In short, he is a newspapers dream candidate; even moreso than President Trump. 

 

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RoofGardener
17 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:


Id say the EU had a big hand in that mess as well.. if not the main cause.

Oh, I think you are being awfully harsh ? 

When we leave under the Boris deal, I think it will actually go quite smoothly. The separation IS a complex issue, and there are bound to be hiccups, but with good will on both sides I'm sure we will overcome them. 

I don't think it is a "mess" at all ? 

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2 hours ago, stevewinn said:

The Labour party was infiltrated when they thought it was a good idea to charge £3 for membership followed by letting the membership and not the Parliamentary party decide who the leader should be. the communists who existed on the fringes of the party took full advantage and they ended up with Corbyn a man whose been anti-everything all his political life, with no rhyme or reason other than to be anti-govt. He's offered nothing in the way of resolving issues and thats why he was out of his depth with Brexit. because it needed solutions and he had none. no-wonder they want 16 year olds to vote because they need a gullible demographic. and you can lump the SNP in with that last sentence. 

if we look at the voting by age, the majority of young people 18 - 24 vote Labour, when you get to the 25 - 35 age bracket the balance starts to shift, but still a mixture and by the time we get to 36 - 45 then its firmly moving towards Tory territory, when its 45 - 65+ the vast majority vote Tory and why is that because when your young your gullible, believe in the easy solutions to hard problems of life, but as you gain life experience you see through it all and turn your back on the false premises Labour offer. Labour becomes the outlet for people in life who always want to blame someone else for their lot in life.

Its a path me myself have taken. When first eligible to vote i voted Labour in two general elections. the more life experience i've gained the more savvy one becomes that socialism doesn't work. and at 37 im firmly in the centre right of politics and conservatism.

Voting%20intention%20likelihood%20by%20a

 

I think we should also add the adoption of Labour by Momentum has increased its extremist membership.

More and more has come out about their tactics which can only be likened to the early days of the Nazi party's Brown shirts.

Ian Duncan Smith offices were particularly targeted with graffiti, dead decomposing rats in the post and intimidation of volunteers.

I find it hard to believe that the year is 2019 yet yobs wearing red armbands chased vistors, contractors and visitors down the street yelling threatening abusive rants.

Labour need to lose this lot. They don't believe in democracy. These are the idiots who organise a march in the evening against the Government as they don't like the result.

WTF they were not just beaten but slaughtered at the ballot boxes. What do they expect to happen, Torys quickly move out and let Corbyn in?

They are nothing less than a propaganda machine serving Corbyn and Co.

Makes you wonder if they would have been kept on in some official form if the nightmare had happened and Labour had got in. 

Labour are in a real mess as these hardliners run the show.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Corbyn stays on. He is clearly holding on in denial at present. Long Bailey is the female version of him and is odds on to win a leadership contest.

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4 hours ago, skookum said:

He is a prime example of how the UK has dodged the bullet of going down a very dark path.

It is clear that Corbyn supporters have no belief in democracy and consider themselves victims.

You listen to them ranting that they want Corbyn regardless of what the majority voted for. Or in other words a democratic election is no longer necessary.

That is communism but they are in denial about that too.

The Leftists and Greens don't get it, and Labor might one day, but the Greens and their demented ideas are getting hammered globally.

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20 hours ago, stevewinn said:

were all laughing at you.

even in the aftermath of the Tory landslide victory you still spout such rubbish. your adding Labour votes to the Remain side. Labours position was ambiguous, so your wrong to include them in your figures. seeing as Labour were still retaining the option of leaving the EU in their manifesto lets add their votes to the leave side instead, so 78% Leave 22% remain.

As of a week ago, you were ranting and raving at labour 'subverting democracy to betray Brexit'. Now you peg them as a leave party. 

You don't know if you're coming or going do you? :lol:

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17 minutes ago, Setton said:

As of a week ago, you were ranting and raving at labour 'subverting democracy to betray Brexit'. Now you peg them as a leave party. 

You don't know if you're coming or going do you? :lol:

Labour's position was ambiguous and officially their stance and manifesto still contained leaving the EU. you was wrong to include their votes on the Remain side. regardless of my opinion.

 

 

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Just now, stevewinn said:

Labour's position was ambiguous and officially their stance and manifesto still contained leaving the EU. you was wrong to include their votes on the leave side. regardless of my opinion.

I agree. You was (:lol:) wrong to count then as leave. 

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