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3 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

The labour party is going to borrow an extra 150 billion pounds over the next thousand years or something! Meanwhile Joris Bohnson is promising ten billion pounds for something or other. Funny how the tory government hasn't been able to offer ten billion pounds for anything hitherto, but now when it comes to an election bribe all of a sudden the tory party can offer an extra ten billion pounds! 

Have you noticed the Labour Party wanting to spend £250 billion on home insulation?

Do you notice how they cannot say we will spend £250 billion building car manufacturing plants, aircraft plants, and shipyards? Or setting up production lines to make televisions, computers, consumer electronics, and domestic appliances? What about mining, steel production, and heavy industry?

All the enterprises we lost during our time in the EU because we lost the ability to erect trade tariffs to protect them from cheaper EU and Chinese imports. The reason why the Labour Party cannot offer any of that back is because they are pro-EU.

And its EU legislation that prevents our Government using tax payers money to re-establish or invest in our economy to get those sectors up and running again. Booooo Mr Corbyn (and that ugly manky toothed Lib Dem leader) Do Britain a favour and both go jump off a bridge.

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5 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

The labour party is going to borrow an extra 150 billion pounds over the next thousand years or something! Meanwhile Joris Bohnson is promising ten billion pounds for something or other. Funny how the tory government hasn't been able to offer ten billion pounds for anything hitherto, but now when it comes to an election bribe all of a sudden the tory party can offer an extra ten billion pounds! 

Good to see they've got the magic money tree in season again. Remarkable. 

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Watching the news and trying to figure out why there are former Labour MPs who are actively telling the public not to vote Labour because they don't want Corbyn to be the PM.  Surely if he's that bad, why not just have a 'no confidence' vote and a leadership contest after the result.  General elections are based on what is best for local constituencies, not deciding who the PM should be.  Having all these former MPs telling us not to vote Corbyn in as PM doesn't really make much sense.

 

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6 minutes ago, Aaron2016 said:

Watching the news and trying to figure out why there are former Labour MPs who are actively telling the public not to vote Labour because they don't want Corbyn to be the PM.  Surely if he's that bad, why not just have a 'no confidence' vote and a leadership contest after the result.  General elections are based on what is best for local constituencies, not deciding who the PM should be.  Having all these former MPs telling us not to vote Corbyn in as PM doesn't really make much sense.

 

They are politicians.  Of course they don't make much sense!   

(The only people who make less sense than politicians are the idiots who keep electing them to form Parliament)

 

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Who do the people who conduct the Polls go to , to get their opinions on what may or may not happen ,and who believes what the Polls say , because if you do believe ,then you must believe in fairies . Make up your own godamn mind and vote for who you believe will be good for the country , and not what some idiot Polls say.

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Related news...

Ladies and girls and all you fluid folks!  To avoid being raped it's best to keep your panties on.  Men cannot control themselves.

(That advice was from one of the many eejits we have standing for Election. He has since apologized for being a peckerhead)

Read all about it at the Mirror: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-candidate-said-women-should-20832185

Or at the Huff Post UK: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-mp-candidate-said-women-should-keep-their-knickers-on-during-rape-discussion_uk_5dc350bbe4b0d8eb3c8f45ff?

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10 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

Related news...

Ladies and girls and all you fluid folks!  To avoid being raped it's best to keep your panties on.  Men cannot control themselves.

(That advice was from one of the many eejits we have standing for Election. He has since apologized for being a peckerhead)

Read all about it at the Mirror: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-candidate-said-women-should-20832185

Or at the Huff Post UK: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-mp-candidate-said-women-should-keep-their-knickers-on-during-rape-discussion_uk_5dc350bbe4b0d8eb3c8f45ff?

BLOOD ON HIS HANDS 

Jeremy Corbyn boosted morale of IRA killers with his support and prolonged the violence leading to more deaths, IRA killer reveals

https://www.************/news/3623934/ex-ira-killer-says-jeremy-corbyns-solidarity-encouraged-vicious-campaign-of-violence-and-without-his-support-terrorist-murders-and-torture-would-have-ended-much-earlier/

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11 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

"A decorated Army major today warns Boris Johnson he risks losing the veterans’ vote if he fails to protect soldiers from historic prosecutions.

"Major Robert Campbell is facing his eighth inquiry over the death of an Iraqi who drowned in Basra 15 years ago, while up to 200 ex-soldiers are under investigation for murder and other alleged crimes during the Troubles."

At the Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/01/scrapping-ex-soldiers-amnesty-could-hit-tory-vote-warns-major/

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1 hour ago, spud the mackem said:

Who do the people who conduct the Polls go to , to get their opinions on what may or may not happen ,and who believes what the Polls say , because if you do believe ,then you must believe in fairies . Make up your own godamn mind and vote for who you believe will be good for the country , and not what some idiot Polls say.

The polls might be 95% true in terms of voting intention. But....

They dont take into account how many voters are in each constituency and people embarrassed about who they are going to vote for will just say Tory or Labour. Tony Blair got a large majority for his second term with only 35% of the vote. Nigel Farage got 40% of the vote in the 2010 General Election and only managed 2 MPs.

Each MP seat isn't underpinned by the same number of people living in each constituency. Its more complex than saying 40% of the population will vote for this party so they should win.

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1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

Nigel Farage got 40% of the vote in the 2010 General Election and only managed 2 MPs.

He got 3.1% and 0 MPs. 

It's like you're not even trying to disguise the lies at this point. 

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2 hours ago, Eldorado said:

"A decorated Army major today warns Boris Johnson he risks losing the veterans’ vote if he fails to protect soldiers from historic prosecutions.

"Major Robert Campbell is facing his eighth inquiry over the death of an Iraqi who drowned in Basra 15 years ago, while up to 200 ex-soldiers are under investigation for murder and other alleged crimes during the Troubles."

At the Telegraph: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/01/scrapping-ex-soldiers-amnesty-could-hit-tory-vote-warns-major/

It would be naïve not to expect political parties to be economical with the truth, especially in the build up to such a hotly contested election. But Labour has already pulled ahead of the pack with a series of claims that fall somewhere between "fake news" and outright lies. Here, economist Julian Jessop examines five of the worst

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/04/labours-five-biggest-lies-reveal-party-terminally-odds-truth/

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L.A.T.1961

Latest poll of polls - Con up 2.9% -  Lab up 1.9% - LibDems down 2.2% - Brexit party down 1.1% from previous poll. 

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Current Prediction: Conservative majority 96

Party 2017 Votes 2017 Seats Pred Votes Pred Seats
CON 43.5% 318 38.2% 373
LAB 41.0% 262 27.2% 182
LIB 7.6% 12 15.9% 25
Brexit 0.0% 0 10.2% 0
Green 1.7% 1 3.2% 1
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4 hours ago, Aaron2016 said:

Watching the news and trying to figure out why there are former Labour MPs who are actively telling the public not to vote Labour because they don't want Corbyn to be the PM.  Surely if he's that bad, why not just have a 'no confidence' vote and a leadership contest after the result.  General elections are based on what is best for local constituencies, not deciding who the PM should be.  Having all these former MPs telling us not to vote Corbyn in as PM doesn't really make much sense.

Labour Party MPs dont select their leader, its their ordinary membership who do.

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Vote Tory, urges former Labour MP Ian Austin.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

Vote Tory, urges former Labour MP Ian Austin.

 

If the Labour Party come 3rd will Corbyn quit?

I honestly hope he wouldnt, so we can get a good decade of Boris underway.

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3 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

If the Labour Party come 3rd will Corbyn quit?

I honestly hope he wouldnt, so we can get a good decade of Boris underway.

If MP's keep leaving like Watson/ Austin then 3rd might be optimistic. Will more go ? 

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People are up in arms over spending pledges by the Tories in this election yet are more than happy paying the EU £39Bn. not including the £13bn pa in membership. or if were still in the EU beyond 31st January 2020. our EU contributions go up to £15bn pa. deadly silence on this matter. apparently we have to pay this for the privilege of trading with them and in the process we are rewarded with a £80 to £100bn trade deficit, The UK pays no other country in the world to trade with them. its absolutely fecking bonkers. as the home of worlds previous biggest and best empire we know a thing or two about building an empire and they don't come cheap. since the referendum vote the UK as paid £38.9Bn or £56.7bn Gross towards the EU empire building programme.

we know the end goal. EU federation. if it takes 5 years, 10 years or 20 years if at the end were not going to be part of the Federation why help build it. utter waste of British tax payers money. 5th or 6th largest economy in the world. the question we need answering is where is all the fecking money for our own? answer is to days politicians are happy giving it away, as a percentage the UK has the worlds largest foreign aid budget, billions upon billions are being spent on foreign aid, not counting free NHS treatment for foreign nationals, you only have to spend ten minutes in a Hospital to see what im talking about. , all sorts of supplementary benefit/work benefits are flowing out the country. it gets no crazier than children not even living in the UK getting child benefit. i guess its nice and very kind of the British tax payer to pay for a eastern European children and in the meantime the hard working British worker is being undercut. but no panic the EU will protect workers rights, even though the decline is due to the influx of cheap foreign workers from the EU.

NONE OF THIS CRAP AS GONE AWAY, and guess what vote Labour and have another dose of it, take your medicine if you know what's good for you. remember Labour rubbing the nose of the right in multiculturalism, but never mind that this is the party who allowed anti-social behaviour to flourish, remember the good old ASBO? brought in to tackle the problem as social decay set in, Labour buying votes by putting people on benefits and leaving them there. same with handing out citizenship, those who are granted citizenship are more likely to continue to vote for the party who where in office when they gained citizenship status.buying votes yet again, mass immigration, the taboo word, dare mention it labelled racist instantly to shut down debate, its racist to dare to ask the question is it sustainable to be permitting the influx of a metropolitan city annually.

if you want to return to all this crap vote labour, after all their for the working man/woman and if you believe that you'll believe anything.

and lets not let the tories off the hook, collectively their a shower of ****e also. as we've seen with Brexit, Boris whos not in a ditch. failed to live up to his own hype, but what alternative do we have, its the same crap old merry-go-round, Tories - Labour - Tories - Labour. in order to get rid of the Tories you have to vote labour, in order to get rid of Labour you have to vote Tory, the house of Lords needs abolishing, the first past the post system probably needs binning, the now political so called supreme court needs destroying, the foreign muck.

The establishment have it stitched up. and my bloody dad was right, voting changes feck all, their all the same make promises and then when elected break them. He voted leave in the referendum and that was the first time he'd voted since the 1970's, I naive have voted in every election since being eligible and i always said to him you should vote, he'd turn and say the above, why it matter not, voting changes nothing. now when i said to him are you voting in the election he said you must be joking, i told you voting changes nothing look at the referendum if you need proof, his advice, look after your own family interests and accept democracy for every one is an illusion. and you know what you cant argue with it, to days victors are tomorrows losers and vice versa and each and every one of us fall for it every bloody time. and how do i know this, well just look at us all on here, arguing with one another, they have us on the hook and have us doing their bidding for them why because we believe in the illusion. bloody mugs the lot of us.

 

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3 hours ago, stevewinn said:

People are up in arms over spending pledges by the Tories in this election yet are more than happy paying the EU £39Bn. not including the £13bn pa in membership. or if were still in the EU beyond 31st January 2020. our EU contributions go up to £15bn pa. deadly silence on this matter. apparently we have to pay this for the privilege of trading with them and in the process we are rewarded with a £80 to £100bn trade deficit, The UK pays no other country in the world to trade with them. its absolutely fecking bonkers. as the home of worlds previous biggest and best empire we know a thing or two about building an empire and they don't come cheap. since the referendum vote the UK as paid £38.9Bn or £56.7bn Gross towards the EU empire building programme.

we know the end goal. EU federation. if it takes 5 years, 10 years or 20 years if at the end were not going to be part of the Federation why help build it. utter waste of British tax payers money. 5th or 6th largest economy in the world. the question we need answering is where is all the fecking money for our own? answer is to days politicians are happy giving it away, as a percentage the UK has the worlds largest foreign aid budget, billions upon billions are being spent on foreign aid, not counting free NHS treatment for foreign nationals, you only have to spend ten minutes in a Hospital to see what im talking about. , all sorts of supplementary benefit/work benefits are flowing out the country. it gets no crazier than children not even living in the UK getting child benefit. i guess its nice and very kind of the British tax payer to pay for a eastern European children and in the meantime the hard working British worker is being undercut. but no panic the EU will protect workers rights, even though the decline is due to the influx of cheap foreign workers from the EU.

NONE OF THIS CRAP AS GONE AWAY, and guess what vote Labour and have another dose of it, take your medicine if you know what's good for you. remember Labour rubbing the nose of the right in multiculturalism, but never mind that this is the party who allowed anti-social behaviour to flourish, remember the good old ASBO? brought in to tackle the problem as social decay set in, Labour buying votes by putting people on benefits and leaving them there. same with handing out citizenship, those who are granted citizenship are more likely to continue to vote for the party who where in office when they gained citizenship status.buying votes yet again, mass immigration, the taboo word, dare mention it labelled racist instantly to shut down debate, its racist to dare to ask the question is it sustainable to be permitting the influx of a metropolitan city annually.

if you want to return to all this crap vote labour, after all their for the working man/woman and if you believe that you'll believe anything.

and lets not let the tories off the hook, collectively their a shower of ****e also. as we've seen with Brexit, Boris whos not in a ditch. failed to live up to his own hype, but what alternative do we have, its the same crap old merry-go-round, Tories - Labour - Tories - Labour. in order to get rid of the Tories you have to vote labour, in order to get rid of Labour you have to vote Tory, the house of Lords needs abolishing, the first past the post system probably needs binning, the now political so called supreme court needs destroying, the foreign muck.

The establishment have it stitched up. and my bloody dad was right, voting changes feck all, their all the same make promises and then when elected break them. He voted leave in the referendum and that was the first time he'd voted since the 1970's, I naive have voted in every election since being eligible and i always said to him you should vote, he'd turn and say the above, why it matter not, voting changes nothing. now when i said to him are you voting in the election he said you must be joking, i told you voting changes nothing look at the referendum if you need proof, his advice, look after your own family interests and accept democracy for every one is an illusion. and you know what you cant argue with it, to days victors are tomorrows losers and vice versa and each and every one of us fall for it every bloody time. and how do i know this, well just look at us all on here, arguing with one another, they have us on the hook and have us doing their bidding for them why because we believe in the illusion. bloody mugs the lot of us.

God, even for you, that was a particularly incoherent tirade. Has somebody had a fun night at the pub? 

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9 hours ago, Setton said:

God, even for you, that was a particularly incoherent tirade. Has somebody had a fun night at the pub? 

there was nothing 'incoherent' about it... 

for those with eyes to see and ears to hear...

in a nut shell.... the whole political process is a stitch up... a loaded dice... an unlevel playing field
as illustrated by the Political Elite's response to Brexit and how they are determined NOT to leave..
or maybe leave a little bit with a view to getting back to being a full member of the EU ASAP...

(correct me if you disagree with that summary @stevewinn ) :) 

 

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2 minutes ago, bee said:

there was nothing 'incoherent' about it... 

Damning indeed... 

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4 minutes ago, bee said:

there was nothing 'incoherent' about it... 

for those with eyes to see and ears to hear...

in a nut shell.... the whole political process is a stitch up... a loaded dice... an unlevel playing field
as illustrated by the Political Elite's response to Brexit and how they are determined NOT to leave..
or maybe leave a little bit with a view to getting back to being a full member of the EU ASAP...

(correct me if you disagree with that summary @stevewinn ) :) 

 

Bee don't rise to it. @Setton isnt the only poster on the forum but he seems to think all posts are for him and him only. Just look at his contributions he's got nothing to add he's dangling his rod looking for a bite. And as been doing it over a number of pages. It's no coincidence they've change to the winter opening and closing times of the local park. He'd normally be shouting at the pigeons at this time of the morning but the gates aren't open yet. 

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2 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Bee don't rise to it. @Setton isnt the only poster on the forum but he seems to think all posts are for him and him only. Just look at his contributions he's got nothing to add he's dangling his rod looking for a bite. And as been doing it over a number of pages. It's no coincidence they've change to the winter opening and closing times of the local park. He'd normally be shouting at the pigeons at this time of the morning but the gates aren't open yet. 

Sobered up now have we? 

It's quite simple - if you are capable of an intelligent debate, I will happily have one with you, no matter how much we disagree (e.g. RoofGardener). 

As you aren't capable, why try? 

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13 hours ago, stevewinn said:

The establishment have it stitched up. and my bloody dad was right, voting changes feck all, their all the same make promises and then when elected break them. He voted leave in the referendum and that was the first time he'd voted since the 1970's, I naive have voted in every election since being eligible and i always said to him you should vote, he'd turn and say the above, why it matter not, voting changes nothing. now when i said to him are you voting in the election he said you must be joking, i told you voting changes nothing look at the referendum if you need proof, his advice, look after your own family interests and accept democracy for every one is an illusion. and you know what you cant argue with it, to days victors are tomorrows losers and vice versa and each and every one of us fall for it every bloody time. and how do i know this, well just look at us all on here, arguing with one another, they have us on the hook and have us doing their bidding for them why because we believe in the illusion. bloody mugs the lot of us.


 

i can see why your Dad has chosen not to vote because of the 'stitch up' (except for in the referendum which
is threatening to confirm his views on voting)...... but I still think we should vote if only to signal to the 
'Powers That Be' that we are still interested in being involved in our own destiny...

My Dad always voted and always voted Labour because he was from a generation that benefited from
Labour being in power... ie he worked on the 'Presses' in a factory in the town where we lived that looked
after it's employees....( you could hear the boom boom of the presses for miles around on a still night..)
they had good wages, good health care (under the circumstances) and I can still remember the Children's
Parties me and my brother went to at Christmas where every child (hundreds of them or so it seemed)
had a christmas present - proper good party food and games... and there were other events for the
workers and their families... like a Summer Fair and what not... 

My Mom voted as well but she was more of a floating voter - for example she lived in Wales
 (after divorce) and would vote Plaid Cymru.... because she saw it as the Welsh Party and she was in Wales
and that was a good enough reason... :)

but I digress.... I always vote and always will because at least it shows that I'm interested....
ie use it or loose it...

The rock bottom reason I voted Leave was because even though the political process is a stitch up..
with our soveriegnty intact we will always have a CHANCE to make our vote count... even though if we
'vote wrong' they try and twist it all around.. in a EU superstate we will never have a chance to make
our vote count....... or to take back control.. ^_^

this as a real battle now because if we manage to leave (even a little bit) - there will be powerful forces
trying to get us back in and if we re join --- think I'm right in saying that any new members of the EU now
have to automatically join the Euro....... and if you're in the Euro leaving is much MUCH more difficult
and we are seeing how difficult it is to leave even when you're not using the Euro... so they would get 
us in the Euro ''''next time'''' and this is what 'they' would want,,,

This is the best chance we have had for a long LONG time to make a vote count... ie the referendum vote..
(that must be why your Dad voted this time)...... but how many people will get distracted and then we
will be back to square one..... 

If every single person who voted Leave ...volted for the Brexit Party at least that is a move in the right
direction... and if Boris Johnson thought that was actually going to happen I think he would soon reassess
his stand about not having a Leave Alliance... although he would have to be REALLY strong to do that..
but like Nigel Farage said.... he (Boris) changed his vote for May's 'deal... so he can if he wants to (and is
strong enough) change his mind about the Leave Alliance and Clean Break Brexit...)

 

 

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1 hour ago, bee said:


 

i can see why your Dad has chosen not to vote because of the 'stitch up' (except for in the referendum which
is threatening to confirm his views on voting)...... but I still think we should vote if only to signal to the 
'Powers That Be' that we are still interested in being involved in our own destiny...

My Dad always voted and always voted Labour because he was from a generation that benefited from
Labour being in power... ie he worked on the 'Presses' in a factory in the town where we lived that looked
after it's employees....( you could hear the boom boom of the presses for miles around on a still night..)
they had good wages, good health care (under the circumstances) and I can still remember the Children's
Parties me and my brother went to at Christmas where every child (hundreds of them or so it seemed)
had a christmas present - proper good party food and games... and there were other events for the
workers and their families... like a Summer Fair and what not... 

My Mom voted as well but she was more of a floating voter - for example she lived in Wales
 (after divorce) and would vote Plaid Cymru.... because she saw it as the Welsh Party and she was in Wales
and that was a good enough reason... :)

but I digress.... I always vote and always will because at least it shows that I'm interested....
ie use it or loose it...

The rock bottom reason I voted Leave was because even though the political process is a stitch up..
with our soveriegnty intact we will always have a CHANCE to make our vote count... even though if we
'vote wrong' they try and twist it all around.. in a EU superstate we will never have a chance to make
our vote count....... or to take back control.. ^_^

this as a real battle now because if we manage to leave (even a little bit) - there will be powerful forces
trying to get us back in and if we re join --- think I'm right in saying that any new members of the EU now
have to automatically join the Euro....... and if you're in the Euro leaving is much MUCH more difficult
and we are seeing how difficult it is to leave even when you're not using the Euro... so they would get 
us in the Euro ''''next time'''' and this is what 'they' would want,,,

This is the best chance we have had for a long LONG time to make a vote count... ie the referendum vote..
(that must be why your Dad voted this time)...... but how many people will get distracted and then we
will be back to square one..... 

If every single person who voted Leave ...volted for the Brexit Party at least that is a move in the right
direction... and if Boris Johnson thought that was actually going to happen I think he would soon reassess
his stand about not having a Leave Alliance... although he would have to be REALLY strong to do that..
but like Nigel Farage said.... he (Boris) changed his vote for May's 'deal... so he can if he wants to (and is
strong enough) change his mind about the Leave Alliance and Clean Break Brexit...)

 

 

Your right bee, once again your a reassuring force. My dad was a die setter in the press shop at fords for 31 years.

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