Far-right terrorism is on the rise in the UK

[BrooklynGuy]

Far-Right Terrorism Is the Fastest Growing Threat to the U.K., Police Say

The fastest growing terrorist threat to the U.K. comes from the far-right, Britain’s top counter-terrorism police officer said Thursday. Seven of the 22 terrorist plots to cause widespread loss of life in the U.K. since March 2017 came from people with extreme right-wing ideologies, said Neil Basu, the assistant commissioner to the Metropolitan Police in charge of counterterrorism. Basu told journalists his unit had seen “significant increases” in far-right terrorism. “When nearly a third of the plots foiled by police and security services since 2017 relate to right-wing ideology, it lays bare why we are taking this threat so seriously,” he said.

Read more: https://time.com/5681199/uk-far-right-terrorism/

[freetoroam]

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The UK’s most senior counter-terrorism officer has revealed that the number of attacks foiled since the Westminster atrocity has risen to 22, with seven relating to suspected far-right terror.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/09/foiled-terrorist-attacks-on-uk-soil-have-risen-to-22-says-top-officer

Lets get the whole picture here.

Our country has nutters,  no doubt about it. But our main problem is we have English far right groups and we have allowed foreign ones to flourish too. Not the best of combinations.

We have always had far right groups in the UK,  nothing new there and I am not surprised it is not higher considering the amount of foreign criminals and terrorist attacks by the islamic murderers.

The far right today are the far left of yesterday. Jewish people and gay people are being attack,  by all colours.

 

 

 

[itsnotoutthere]

Another factor to take into consideration & may have a bearing on this is that these days we have a large eastern european population in this country, Polish, Romanian, Bulgarians etc, something we never had decades ago. Just look at the problems with Nazi salutes at the recent Bulgarian football match.

[.AKUMA.]

Yep i dont think the increase in Far-right related hate crimes can be contributed towards just the English, there are a growing number of Eastern European nationals that are bringing their own ideologies into the mix, its also worth noting that the far right is increasing in some of the most deprived areas of the UK.

Ironic how it draws parallels from some the more extreme organisations they oppose.

Edited November 1, 2019 by .AKUMA.

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

I'm not surprised I don't mean to offend anyone I love Britain and have close friends there i have for the most always felt welcome even if I'm from Sweden ;-). I once was called bl00dy foreigner at the local pub in Deal UK , I smiled and said exactly  :-). 

Edited November 1, 2019 by 'Walt' E. Kurtz

[Setton]

3 hours ago, freetoroam said:

Lets get the whole picture here.

Our country has nutters,  no doubt about it. But our main problem is we have English far right groups and we have allowed foreign ones to flourish too. Not the best of combinations.

We have always had far right groups in the UK,  nothing new there and I am not surprised it is not higher considering the amount of foreign criminals and terrorist attacks by the islamic murderers.

The far right today are the far left of yesterday. Jewish people and gay people are being attack,  by all colours.

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Another factor to take into consideration & may have a bearing on this is that these days we have a large eastern european population in this country, Polish, Romanian, Bulgarians etc, something we never had decades ago. Just look at the problems with Nazi salutes at the recent Bulgarian football match.

 

3 hours ago, .AKUMA. said:

Yep i dont think the increase in Far-right related hate crimes can be contributed towards just the English, there are a growing number of Eastern European nationals that are bringing their own ideologies into the mix, its also worth noting that the far right is increasing in some of the most deprived areas of the UK.

Ironic how it draws parallels from some the more extreme organisations they oppose.

You guys want to be careful. Having your heads so deep in the sand can't be good for you. 

[Duke Wellington]

4 hours ago, freetoroam said:

Lets get the whole picture here.

Our country has nutters,  no doubt about it. But our main problem is we have English far right groups and we have allowed foreign ones to flourish too. Not the best of combinations.

We have always had far right groups in the UK,  nothing new there and I am not surprised it is not higher considering the amount of foreign criminals and terrorist attacks by the islamic murderers.

The far right today are the far left of yesterday. Jewish people and gay people are being attack,  by all colours.

 

The problem is not that we have far-right groups and deeply religious people.

From the far-right of the Tory Party to EDL, from fundamentalist Christians to Muslims, I`m quite sure we must have at least 100,000 people involved in far-right groups. It is only a small number of them who are nutters who are so far out there they are a security risk to the nation.

Best of taking what the media say with a pinch of salt because they dont explain what it was about this or that persons psychology that made them a nutter.

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, .AKUMA. said:

Yep i dont think the increase in Far-right related hate crimes can be contributed towards just the English, there are a growing number of Eastern European nationals that are bringing their own ideologies into the mix, its also worth noting that the far right is increasing in some of the most deprived areas of the UK.

Ironic how it draws parallels from some the more extreme organisations they oppose.

I guess it follows that they'd feel the need to fight back with more force than they see the government using though.  Isn't their complaint that government is going too easy on the lawlessness of immigrant culture?  I don't attempt to excuse or support lawlessness by any group, but I can see why such groups would mimic the actions they see being used against them.  Perhaps if the government enforced all laws equally across the board, there'd be less of a problem.

[itsnotoutthere]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

 

 

You guys want to be careful. Having your heads so deep in the sand can't be good for you. 

???

[+OverSword]

I'm not making an excuse for poor behavior, but when you have one end of the political spectrum seeming to have a far greater influence than the other the result will be push back from the opposite side.  Even if, in this case, the left doesn't have in actuality a great upper hand politically the media which is dominated by liberalism in the leftist sense of the word throws out so much propaganda that people stupid enough to resort to violence are easily convinced that their philosophy is in imminent danger.

[+OverSword]

5 hours ago, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said:

I'm not surprised I don't mean to offend anyone I love Britain and have close friends there i have for the most always felt welcome even if I'm from Sweden ;-). I once was called bl00dy foreigner at the local pub in Deal UK , I smiled and said exactly  :-). 

I would have told them Bloody Foreigner is my name. 

[Unusual Tournament]

5 hours ago, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said:

I'm not surprised I don't mean to offend anyone I love Britain and have close friends there i have for the most always felt welcome even if I'm from Sweden ;-). I once was called bl00dy foreigner at the local pub in Deal UK , I smiled and said exactly  :-). 

LOL. well what else was there to logically do. 

[hetrodoxly]

5 hours ago, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said:

I'm not surprised I don't mean to offend anyone I love Britain and have close friends there i have for the most always felt welcome even if I'm from Sweden ;-). I once was called bl00dy foreigner at the local pub in Deal UK , I smiled and said exactly  :-). 

'I once was called bl00dy foreigner' was this in the 1950s, as we have foreigners in every town and city going in pubs i wonder why you were singled out.

[Unusual Tournament]

6 hours ago, freetoroam said:

Lets get the whole picture here.

Our country has nutters,  no doubt about it. But our main problem is we have English far right groups and we have allowed foreign ones to flourish too. Not the best of combinations.

We have always had far right groups in the UK,  nothing new there and I am not surprised it is not higher considering the amount of foreign criminals and terrorist attacks by the islamic murderers.

The far right today are the far left of yesterday. Jewish people and gay people are being attack,  by all colours.

Yes i see your point. When opening up to immigration one overlooked criteria should be how well someone is able to assimilate into the host country. It doesn't help if you have generations professional immigrants still dressing and acting like they live in another country at another time. 

[itsnotoutthere]

8 hours ago, BrooklynGuy said:

Far-Right Terrorism Is the Fastest Growing Threat to the U.K., Police Say

The fastest growing terrorist threat to the U.K. comes from the far-right, Britain’s top counter-terrorism police officer said Thursday. Seven of the 22 terrorist plots to cause widespread loss of life in the U.K. since March 2017 came from people with extreme right-wing ideologies, said Neil Basu, the assistant commissioner to the Metropolitan Police in charge of counterterrorism. Basu told journalists his unit had seen “significant increases” in far-right terrorism. “When nearly a third of the plots foiled by police and security services since 2017 relate to right-wing ideology, it lays bare why we are taking this threat so seriously,” he said.

Read more: https://time.com/5681199/uk-far-right-terrorism/

Just out of curiosity, can somebody tell me what 'far right terrorism' we've seen a 'significant increase' in?

"nearly a third of the plots foiled by police and security services since 2017 'relate' to right-wing ideology"  .....so more than two thirds 'relate' to???

 

Edited November 1, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[Setton]

2 hours ago, and then said:

 Perhaps if the government enforced all laws equally across the board, there'd be less of a problem.

They do. Which is why these terrorists are now facing the same measures as any others. 

[Setton]

3 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

Best of taking what the media say with a pinch of salt

It's not the media, it's the Met. 

[Setton]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

I'm not making an excuse for poor behavior, but when you have one end of the political spectrum seeming to have a far greater influence than the other the result will be push back from the opposite side. 

'I'm not making excuses...' then you make an excuse. 

And it's not 'poor behavior'. It's terrorism. 

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Even if, in this case, the left doesn't have in actuality a great upper hand politically the media which is dominated by liberalism in the leftist sense of the word throws out so much propaganda that people stupid enough to resort to violence are easily convinced that their philosophy is in imminent danger.

You need to read some UK media if you're going to make claims like that. This is not the US. We have plenty of right and far right media to balance the left wing outlets. 

[Setton]

49 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Just out of curiosity, can somebody tell me what 'far right terrorism' we've seen a 'significant increase' in?

"nearly a third of the plots foiled by police and security services since 2017 'relate' to right-wing ideology"  .....so more than two thirds 'relate' to???

I would imagine the other 2/3 are islamist and Northern Ireland related. 

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, Setton said:

'I'm not making excuses...' then you make an excuse. 

And it's not 'poor behavior'. It's terrorism. 

It's not an excuse it's a possible explanation.

 

2 minutes ago, Setton said:

You need to read some UK media if you're going to make claims like that. This is not the US. We have plenty of right and far right media to balance the left wing outlets. 

You only believe that because you're too far left to recognize the marginalization of the opposing point of view.  I was just on the BBC website rolling my eye's at article after article.

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

1 hour ago, hetrodoxly said:

'I once was called bl00dy foreigner' was this in the 1950s, as we have foreigners in every town and city going in pubs i wonder why you were singled out.

Don't know ask the geezer who said it. 

[Setton]

2 minutes ago, OverSword said:

It's not an excuse it's a possible explanation.

 

You only believe that because you're too far left to recognize the marginalization of the opposing point of view.  I was just on the BBC website rolling my eye's at article after article.

That's because the US, on average, is what the UK would call right wing. So you will find the BBC (which is fairly balanced overall) feels left wing to you. It is your perception that is skewed in this case, not mine. If anything, our media is predominantly right wing (by UK standards). 

As examples of UK right wing media see:

Telegraph 

Daily Mail 

Daily express 

The Sun

 

By contrast, only mainstream left wing papers are the Guardian and the Mirror. 

See here for more info: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/03/07/how-left-or-right-wing-are-uks-newspapers

[+OverSword]

Just now, Setton said:

That's because the US, on average, is what the UK would call right wing. So you will find the BBC (which is fairly balanced overall) feels left wing to you.

You're wrong.  The US media is overwhelmingly left/liberal leaning.  On the right you have fox news and a lot of small independent websites and on the left you have every large and influential news source except fox news.

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As examples of UK right wing media see:

Telegraph 

Daily Mail 

Daily express 

The Sun

 

My reply to those being right leaning news sources is as follows:

[+OverSword]

@Setton This should be easy.  Post one editorial from your list that berates the leftist MP's who are undermining brexit and are still in fact remainers.

Edited November 1, 2019 by OverSword

[Setton]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

You're wrong.  The US media is overwhelmingly left/liberal leaning.  On the right you have fox news and a lot of small independent websites and on the left you have every large and influential news source except fox news.

The US population is what the UK would call right wing. Not its media. 

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My reply to those being right leaning news sources is as follows:

You're ignoring the fact that I posted a source showing the UK public view then as right wing then?