Far-right terrorism is on the rise in the UK

[+OverSword]

Just now, Setton said:

The US population is what the UK would call right wing. Not its media. 

You're ignoring the fact that I posted a source showing the UK public view then as right wing then? 

Didn't read it.  I'll have a look.  Imo what you are labeling right is really just marginally conservative and or reasonable. Notably you left off your largest and most influential source, the bbc.

[+OverSword]

never mind.  Answered my own question.

Edited November 1, 2019 by OverSword

[Setton]

9 minutes ago, OverSword said:

@Setton This should be easy.  Post one editorial from your list that berates the leftist MP's who are blocking brexit.

I can do better than that. Here's one from each. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7591359/Remainers-BLOCK-Boris-Johnsons-crunch-Brexit-vote.html

https://www.*** blocked ***/news/uk/1194561/brexit-news-boris-johnson-deal-extension-general-election-polls-labour-party-spt

https://www.************/news/10216441/remainer-mps-plotting-force-second-referendum-vote/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/22/puffed-up-remainers-parliament-will-not-able-block-brexit-much/

2 and 3 are the express and the sun. Tells you something about their quality that they're blocked... 

Edited November 1, 2019 by Setton

[Setton]

3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Didn't read it.  I'll have a look.  Imo what you are labeling right is really just marginally conservative and or reasonable. 

By your standards. Not ours. 

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Notably you left off your largest and most influential source, the bbc.

No, I mentioned it in my original post. Individual articles tend to be biased but it averages out overall. 

Just now, OverSword said:

Is that a government site?

No. It's an independent polling company. 

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, Setton said:

I can do better than that. Here's one from each. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7591359/Remainers-BLOCK-Boris-Johnsons-crunch-Brexit-vote.html

https://www.*** blocked ***/news/uk/1194561/brexit-news-boris-johnson-deal-extension-general-election-polls-labour-party-spt

https://www.************/news/10216441/remainer-mps-plotting-force-second-referendum-vote/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/22/puffed-up-remainers-parliament-will-not-able-block-brexit-much/

The daily mail is not an editorial showing bias, just a report. The telegraph however (after a  quick look) does show bias.  Thank you.

[Setton]

3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

The daily mail is not an editorial showing bias, just a report. The telegraph however (after a  quick look) does show bias.  Thank you.

So you don't take into account the tone of the report? 

Do they teach journalism and bias in American elementary schools? Genuine question, I'm not having a dig. 

You won't find as many editorials in British press as in the US. If you'd like to find some, I'm sure you're capable of googling. I've provided plenty of evidence, you have provided none. If you want to keep denying they are right wing, that's your problem with reality, not mine. 

[+OverSword]

22 minutes ago, Setton said:

So you don't take into account the tone of the report? 

Do they teach journalism and bias in American elementary schools? Genuine question, I'm not having a dig. 

You won't find as many editorials in British press as in the US. If you'd like to find some, I'm sure you're capable of googling. I've provided plenty of evidence, you have provided none. If you want to keep denying they are right wing, that's your problem with reality, not mine. 

There's no tone when the report is Johnson says this is his strategy and Johnson will ask the EU Parliament to do this and Johnson says he will........ All of that is a reporter focusing on what his subject said or is doing and I didn't see it say in any way that Johnson is right and his opposition is wrong and that no deal is better than deal.  I wouldn't have to go to school to be instructed that reporting facts and not opinions is not biased.  It could be biased if the DM never did a story about what the remainer PM's are doing and why and it was done so only reporting facts but it seems that one of us here may have a better grip on what is biased and that would be me.

[Setton]

40 minutes ago, OverSword said:

There's no tone when the report is Johnson says this is his strategy and Johnson will ask the EU Parliament to do this and Johnson says he will........ All of that is a reporter focusing on what his subject said or is doing and I didn't see it say in any way that Johnson is right and his opposition is wrong and that no deal is better than deal.  I wouldn't have to go to school to be instructed that reporting facts and not opinions is not biased.  It could be biased if the DM never did a story about what the remainer PM's are doing and why and it was done so only reporting facts but it seems that one of us here may have a better grip on what is biased and that would be me.

Keep telling yourself that. You've shown pretty clearly you know nothing about the UK media. 

Shane you're too insecure to just admit when you were wrong. 

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, Setton said:

Keep telling yourself that. You've shown pretty clearly you know nothing about the UK media. 

Shane you're too insecure to just admit when you were wrong. 

Facts aren't biased and my name is not Shane. 

[Setton]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

Facts aren't biased and my name is not Shane. 

Haha my mistake. 

 

 

 

See, that's how you admit a mistake 

[itsnotoutthere]

16 hours ago, Setton said:

That's because the US, on average, is what the UK would call right wing. So you will find the BBC (which is fairly balanced overall) feels left wing to you. It is your perception that is skewed in this case, not mine. If anything, our media is predominantly right wing (by UK standards). 

As examples of UK right wing media see:

Telegraph 

Daily Mail 

Daily express 

The Sun

 

By contrast, only mainstream left wing papers are the Guardian and the Mirror. 

See here for more info: https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/03/07/how-left-or-right-wing-are-uks-newspapers

The BBC .......'which is fairly balanced' 

By contrast, only mainstream left wing papers are the Guardian and the Mirror. ......the BBC, channel 4, the Independant, the Observer......did I say the BBC (national broadcaster).

The veteran Welsh broadcaster lifted the lid on "institutional liberal bias" at the Beeb just two days after retiring

https://www.************/news/9973615/broadcaster-john-humphrys-slams-bbc-kremlin/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/john-humphrys-radio-4-retires-bbc-bias-left-wing-liberal-today-programme-a9114711.html

Edited November 2, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[itsnotoutthere]

P.s .

Whats with all this banning of newspaper sites???

Is the forum now being run by a student union now?

Edited November 2, 2019 by itsnotoutthere

[Setton]

3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

The BBC .......'which is fairly balanced' 

By contrast, only mainstream left wing papers are the Guardian and the Mirror. ......the BBC, channel 4, the Independant, the Observer......did I say the BBC (national broadcaster).

The veteran Welsh broadcaster lifted the lid on "institutional liberal bias" at the Beeb just two days after retiring

https://www.************/news/9973615/broadcaster-john-humphrys-slams-bbc-kremlin/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/john-humphrys-radio-4-retires-bbc-bias-left-wing-liberal-today-programme-a9114711.html

Again, I have provided a source showing how these outlets align with the general public (rather than your personal opinion). It would seem you are out of sync with the people. As usual. 

[itsnotoutthere]

22 minutes ago, Setton said:

Again, I have provided a source showing how these outlets align with the general public (rather than your personal opinion). It would seem you are out of sync with the people. As usual. 

Out of sync you you and the Guardian perhaps.

[itsnotoutthere]

https://biasedbbc.org/blog/category/bbc-bias/

Some bedtime reading for you.

[itsnotoutthere]

29 minutes ago, Setton said:

Again, I have provided a source showing how these outlets align with the general public (rather than your personal opinion). It would seem you are out of sync with the people. As usual. 

This from your 'source'

"Doubtless many people will be surprised to see anyone describe the Daily Mail as very left-wing, or likewise the Guardian as very right-wing. However, it was often these more staunchly left and right-wing Britons who felt this way.

The most extreme examples of this were in the case of the Mirror, which 29% of fairly/very left-wingers believe to be fairly/very right-wing, and the Sun which nearly a quarter (23%) of fairly/very right-wingers consider the paper to be fairly/very left-wing"

Think we can take that straw poll with a pinch of salt.

[Setton]

1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Out of sync you you and the Guardian perhaps.

No, out of sync with the general public, as shown by the yougov poll. 

57 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

This from your 'source'

"Doubtless many people will be surprised to see anyone describe the Daily Mail as very left-wing, or likewise the Guardian as very right-wing. However, it was often these more staunchly left and right-wing Britons who felt this way.

The most extreme examples of this were in the case of the Mirror, which 29% of fairly/very left-wingers believe to be fairly/very right-wing, and the Sun which nearly a quarter (23%) of fairly/very right-wingers consider the paper to be fairly/very left-wing"

Think we can take that straw poll with a pinch of salt.

All that says is that the extremes of society see the less extreme as being at the other end of the spectrum. 

As shown by your claim that the Independent is far left. The general public sees it as centrist. You are far right so you will see the centre as far left. 

It's the same reason you think I'm far left. 

Edited November 2, 2019 by Setton

[BrooklynGuy]

Looks like Germany is seeing a similar rise in extremism.

German city declares ‘Nazi emergency’ amid rise in extremism

The German city of Dresden has declared a “Nazi emergency” — with local lawmakers citing years of increased far-right extremism in the area, according to a new report. Dresden city councilors passed a resolution this week warning that the strength of the movement was growing, CNN reported. The move is symbolic and has no legal consequences. “For years, politicians have failed to position themselves clearly and unequivocally against the right-wing extremists, and to outlaw them,” councilor Max Aschenbach told CNN.

Read more: https://nypost.com/2019/11/03/german-city-declares-nazi-emergency-amid-rise-in-extremism/

[BrooklynGuy]

On 11/1/2019 at 1:35 PM, Setton said:

'I'm not making excuses...' then you make an excuse. 

And it's not 'poor behavior'. It's terrorism. 

You need to read some UK media if you're going to make claims like that. This is not the US. We have plenty of right and far right media to balance the left wing outlets. 

Good morning Setton, I can see you are offended by my thread and my previous inquiry into how Brexit is coming along so let me apologize and at the same time show you how to better fire up your base of Trump Haters and Socialists. 

I'm sorry you are so profoundly insecure that find it necessary to defend any post that questions the UK's integrity. I'm sorry that your feeble attempts at being funny are not and I'm sorry that you are so naive you actually believe the BBC is an unbiased news outlet. Now you see what I did there, I apologized, I sprinkled in some humor and acknowledged the error of my ways.

On a serious note I do enjoy your posts, respect your point of view and appreciate your genuine concern for the UK and it's very nice folks many of whom post on this great forum. I have to run, I'm going to binge watch every episode of "Tucker Carlson Tonight" on Fox Fake News. 

[Setton]

18 minutes ago, BrooklynGuy said:

Good morning Setton, I can see you are offended by my thread and my previous inquiry into how Brexit is coming along so let me apologize and at the same time show you how to better fire up your base of Trump Haters and Socialists. 

I'm sorry you are so profoundly insecure that find it necessary to defend any post that questions the UK's integrity. I'm sorry that your feeble attempts at being funny are not and I'm sorry that you are so naive you actually believe the BBC is an unbiased news outlet. Now you see what I did there, I apologized, I sprinkled in some humor and acknowledged the error of my ways.

On a serious note I do enjoy your posts, respect your point of view and appreciate your genuine concern for the UK and it's very nice folks many of whom post on this great forum. I have to run, I'm going to binge watch every episode of "Tucker Carlson Tonight" on Fox Fake News. 

And I am sorry you have nothing to contribute to the discussion. I'm sorry you don't realise how much you embarrass yourself when you try and talk about the UK. And most of all, I'm sorry  you apparently have nothing better to do than find every thread a post in and post a completely pointless reply. 

Enjoy your indoctrination 

[RoofGardener]

Lets not get this out of proportion. The Met officer simply explained that there had been a significant increase in foiled "right-wing" terrorist plots that where intended to take life. 

I've no doubt that this is true. Two thirds (roughly) of foiled terrorist plots remain Islamist, as does the loss of life due to ACTUAL terrorist attacks since 2001 in the UK. One might hypothesise that the increase in "right wing" terrorist plots (almost non of which ever actually come to fruition) are inspired by people reacting to the Islamist attacks, but that is just a hypothesis. 

The Police have a duty to foil ALL terrorist plots. If THEY see an increase in "right-wing" plots, then they have to react accordingly. 

So tell me... since the year 2000 ... how many successful "right wing terrorist plots" have actually come to fruition ? And then how many Islamist plots ? 

[Setton]

3 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Lets not get this out of proportion. The Met officer simply explained that there had been a significant increase in foiled "right-wing" terrorist plots that where intended to take life. 

I've no doubt that this is true. Two thirds (roughly) of foiled terrorist plots remain Islamist, as does the loss of life due to ACTUAL terrorist attacks since 2001 in the UK. One might hypothesise that the increase in "right wing" terrorist plots (almost non of which ever actually come to fruition) are inspired by people reacting to the Islamist attacks, but that is just a hypothesis. 

The Police have a duty to foil ALL terrorist plots. If THEY see an increase in "right-wing" plots, then they have to react accordingly. 

Good god, an intelligent reply. 

Why is it so many on the right immediately jump to the defensive when someone suggests people who share esome of their views are anything less than perfect? 

No, must be a left wing conspiracy! 

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So tell me... since the year 2000 ... how many successful "right wing terrorist plots" have actually come to fruition ? And then how many Islamist plots ? 

Why 2000? There have been several major step changes since then. I'd say go from 2016 onwards - when the so called caliphate began to collapse. 

In which case, I think it's about the same ratio of successful attacks as foiled ones (1:2). That's just off the top of my head though. 

[Essan]

So the conclusion from all this is that what we in the UK call "far right" would be deemed normal, balanced, middle of the road people in the USA?   And 99% of us are lefties ..... 

 

[RoofGardener]

On 11/1/2019 at 4:05 PM, hetrodoxly said:

'I once was called bl00dy foreigner' was this in the 1950s, as we have foreigners in every town and city going in pubs i wonder why you were singled out.

I was once called a "Bl00dy foreigner' when I visited London. 

I'm a white British Citizen  

[Setton]

4 minutes ago, Essan said:

So the conclusion from all this is that what we in the UK call "far right" would be deemed normal, balanced, middle of the road people in the USA?   And 99% of us are lefties ..... 

 

Pretty much...