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"Thank God for the Deep State"

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hacktorp

The battle we face is for the very soul and survival of the Republic.  These treasonous demons are forcing Americans to choose sides.  So be it...choose wisely:

 

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BrooklynGuy
4 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

The battle we face is for the very soul and survival of the Republic.  These treasonous demons are forcing Americans to choose sides.  So be it...choose wisely:

 

Thanks hacktorp :lol::lol:

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OverSword

Institutionally committed to objectivity and telling the truth :w00t:

 

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hacktorp
11 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Institutionally committed to objectivity and telling the truth :w00t:

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."

- CIA Director William Casey, 1981

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Doug1029

The "Deep State" is made up of career people.  They know how do run the government and usually do it without any specific directions being needed.  Most, especially the State Department, is offended by tRUMP's attempts to subvert the law and as a result are coming forward to tell what they know.

An example from forestry, as that is what I am familiar with:

tRUMP has opened the Tongass National Forest to logging and mining.  There was already an ongoing logging program.  Mining was shut down when the Mining Claim Occupancy Act expired in 1971 (It is, thus, the will of Congress that no additional lands be opened for mining; tRUMP does not have the authority to over-ride this act.).

It takes about two years to prepare and sell a timber sale.  First, an increase in logging beyond what has already been approved, requires a new Forest Plan.  That requires hearings and meetings for public input, taking about a year by itself.  Then the plan has to be written and approved in public hearings.  It can be blocked by lawsuits - usually by lawyers who haven't got a clue what they're talking about.

After the plan is approved, an area consistent with the plan's sustained yield provisions must be located.  It must also be accessible.  That can require a lot of reconnaissance work by people who must hike each prospective sale site and see what's on it.  The area has to be mapped, inspected by a dozen or so specialists in archeology, wetlands, wildlife, etc.  Then, at long last, the timber can be marked and tallied for sale, a job that may take several years for a big sale.  Then the sale is put up for bid, with prospective bidders having about three months to respond.

So it will be two or three years before any of tRUMP's timber gets cut, if it ever does (The nearest mills big enough are in Canada and there is now an import tax on this timber, thanks to you-know-who's trade war.).

If tRUMP leaves office before summer 2021 (or maybe 2022, depending on sale prep time), his sales will be put into the regular cutting program.  Net change - zero.  He will have to stay in office until 2025 to get any of these sales cut.

So, at most there will be one extra sale unit cut because of tRUMP's declaration and it's highly likely that nothing at all will happen.

Most likely, tRUMP will take credit for the ongoing sales that were prepared under Obama's watch.  But that's just politicians being politicians.  That's how we do it in America.

 

And in case the Congress should grant tRUMP authority to open this area up for mining, there are tons of regulations that could shut down most any mine.  Just the road construction requirements and load limits would make most mining unproiftable.  The same could be said for an unwanted timber sale.

Doug

 

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bee
8 hours ago, hacktorp said:

The battle we face is for the very soul and survival of the Republic.  These treasonous demons are forcing Americans to choose sides.  So be it...choose wisely:

 

 

Those people... in the upper echelons of the CIA (directing work on the ground) are literally a law
unto themselves and operating completely outside the democratic process... in other words they
are dictators - 

but they have to be careful to keep the illusion of democracy going...

Is the Trump Presidency revealing that at it's heart America is a Covert Dictatorship...

(this would also apply to other Western Nations... not least the UK - as we have seen with Brexit -
ie Brexit being voted for but not being delivered...)

List of CIA controversies (wiki)

 

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17 minutes ago, bee said:

 

Those people... in the upper echelons of the CIA (directing work on the ground) are literally a law
unto themselves and operating completely outside the democratic process... in other words they
are dictators - 

but they have to be careful to keep the illusion of democracy going...

Is the Trump Presidency revealing that at it's heart America is a Covert Dictatorship...

(this would also apply to other Western Nations... not least the UK - as we have seen with Brexit -
ie Brexit being voted for but not being delivered...)

List of CIA controversies (wiki)

 

You say that, but what what is a true dictatorship?  You can't trust anyone but me.  The people who have chose service their entire lives, be it federal law enforcement, military, intelligence.  Purple hearts, POWs, they hate America.  You can't trust them if they go against me.  I am the only words you can trust.  I alone can fix our country.  What does that sound like to you?

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OverSword
36 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

You say that, but what what is a true dictatorship?  You can't trust anyone but me.  The people who have chose service their entire lives, be it federal law enforcement, military, intelligence.  Purple hearts, POWs, they hate America.  You can't trust them if they go against me.  I am the only words you can trust.  I alone can fix our country.  What does that sound like to you?

We really don’t have to worry about a dictator taking power in the USA. It’s one thing in a nation whose people have been ruled by kings or priests or czars or what have you to replace a nominal democracy with a strongman dictator but I would guess a near impossibility in a nation with the background and the size of the USA. Not really addressing you AO just riffing off your post.

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third_eye

The next act with this dog and pony show is Kanye shaping himself to be the next King in waiting in the form of the conservative's answer to Obama, with the African American and the Bible belt hailing him as the next 'chosen one' of god

Looking like you folks live in interesting times... 

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Michelle

It's such a shame blacks aren't allowed to think for themselves. Kayne goes against the status quo and is considered a traitor to his race. Welcome to the "progressive" new culture.

 We Are The Borg. You Will Be Assimilated.

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Dejarma

I'm surprised anyone from the mahavishnu orchestra would have any interest in this

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bee
5 hours ago, Agent0range said:

You say that, but what what is a true dictatorship?  You can't trust anyone but me.  The people who have chose service their entire lives, be it federal law enforcement, military, intelligence.  Purple hearts, POWs, they hate America.  You can't trust them if they go against me.  I am the only words you can trust.  I alone can fix our country.  What does that sound like to you?

 

I suppose you are trying to imply Trump is a dictator...?. which he isn't, of course... being the
democratically elected President working within a system of government that is already layed down..

the kind of dictatorship I am talking about... the kind of dictators that slither around like snakes..
(apologies to actual snakes).. in the shadows and unelected...is far more insidious than a dictator
that operates openly...

Those two men in the OP video - both who have had the top job in the CIA... John McLaughlin and
John Brennan obviously think very highly of themselves and truly believe they are better than millions
of voters... millions of American Citizens who, in theory should be picking who runs the country... 
not being dictated to, manipulated by self appointed covert dictators.... 

Same goes for other Western Nations who suffer from the same problem... where civil servants stop
acting like emplotees of the People and start to truly believe they have the right to call all the shots..

A certain level of practical continuity is needed to keep a country running - but an organization like
the CIA goes too far and behaves like a law unto itself.... more like the Mafia than Servants of the People... 

 

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hacktorp

Attempts to sanitize public perception of the so-called "Deep State" are now picking up speed as the CIA and its affiliates are pushed further into view.  One of the more prevalent attempts is to push the notion of the Deep State as merely a group of low-level government functionaries who really, really care about the American people and want to shield them from the evils of the Trump administration by thwarting his agenda using the sprawling DC bureaucracy.  This premise is false.  In the present context, the Deep State is controlled not by government employees, but rather by Intelligence organizations which have no allegiance to the the US Constitution and its people, but rather to Globalist powers trying to consolidate and keep their control over western societies as we enter a major shift in economic and financial structures.  Think of the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing compact and how it was used to try and bring down Trump.  These are the people who want to gain full control of America, and they, by and large, are NOT even Americans...they are Old World Order Globalists.

Here is the breakdown of who is on which side of the war for the soul of America:

On one side we have the anti-American CIA and its cohorts of domestic and foreign intelligence agencies, along with globalist western banking elite, Soros, SES lawyer groups (like Andrew Weissmann...very powerful and dangerous folks), Big Media, Democrat politicians (in power long enough to be deeply corrupt), unelected DC bureaucrats (thousands of them), and Democrat voters (largely ignorant of the truth).

On the other side, we have US Military Intelligence (US Army), NSA, frontman Donald Trump, Republican politicians (though not all), and many, many American activists and citizens who want to stop the US' slide into the Globalist/Socialist abyss.

This will be a tough fight.  I'm pretty sure most conservative folks who are sick and tired of the lies and pernicious attempts at social engineering by the Left will have zero interest in "compromise" until after the threat to the Republic has been completely and permanently exterminated.

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Gromdor

Hate to break it to you, but the US Military Intelligence and NSA have been on the same side as the CIA and other alphabet agencies and pretty much everything. 

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23 hours ago, bee said:

Is the Trump Presidency revealing that at it's heart America is a Covert Dictatorship...

THIS^

This is the danger he represents to them and if he's re-elected, I fear for his life.

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joc
22 hours ago, Agent0range said:

I alone can fix our country.  What does that sound like to you?

It sounds like one person believes they are the only one who can make it happen and so they take it upon themselves to make it happen and they do!

Once upon a time...soon after moving into our house out in the country...the Housing Market bubble burst and very soon the builder who had built our gravel roads disappeared with his road grader.  No maintenance on our roads.  They deteriorated in the rains that followed to the point of almost being un-driveable.  No one could do anything about it.

I told my wife...the only one out here who can get these roads fixed is me.  And I did.  It involved meeting with the road commissioner...it was a long process...but in the end...the county took and rebuilt our roads.

That is what it sounds like to me!

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hacktorp
1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Hate to break it to you, but the US Military Intelligence and NSA have been on the same side as the CIA and other alphabet agencies and pretty much everything. 

If that were true, it would not have been possible to keep Pelosi and Schiff (who are both CIA) in the dark about the al Baghdadi mission.

CIA is odd man out; future uncertain.

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Gromdor
35 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

If that were true, it would not have been possible to keep Pelosi and Schiff (who are both CIA) in the dark about the al Baghdadi mission.

CIA is odd man out; future uncertain.

The CIA helped find Baghdadi......... And none of that has anything to do with the Deep State unless you are a conspiracy theorist that thinks Baghdadi was a CIA asset used by the Deep State to create ISIS.

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31 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

The CIA helped find Baghdadi......... And none of that has anything to do with the Deep State unless you are a conspiracy theorist that thinks Baghdadi was a CIA asset used by the Deep State to create ISIS.

Haha...no.  CIA-controlled media CLAIMED the CIA was involved, but only belatedly.  They were not.  Trump gave credit to Military intelligence; not CIA.

CIA was out of the loop.  They're the enemy.

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14 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Haha...no.  CIA-controlled media CLAIMED the CIA was involved, but only belatedly.  They were not.  Trump gave credit to Military intelligence; not CIA.

CIA was out of the loop.  They're the enemy.

I've come to believe the same thing :( 

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10 minutes ago, and then said:

I've come to believe the same thing :( 

Trump feels the same way about the CIA as did JFK.

Trump, however, has more powerful allies than JFK did.

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bee
8 hours ago, hacktorp said:

If that were true, it would not have been possible to keep Pelosi and Schiff (who are both CIA) in the dark about the al Baghdadi mission.

CIA is odd man out; future uncertain.

 

good point about Pelosi and Schiff and the Baghdadi mission...

just at the basic level - they are so obsessed with Trump they would probably try to sabotage the mission
just to stop him getting any credit of any kind.... for anything...

 

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BrooklynGuy
On 11/1/2019 at 11:50 AM, hacktorp said:

The battle we face is for the very soul and survival of the Republic.  These treasonous demons are forcing Americans to choose sides.  So be it...choose wisely:

 

I'm just shocked, shocked I tell you that C-Span aired anything with God in the title. ;)

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Gromdor

Let me get this straight-  The three of you think that the below is fake, the CIA is kept out of loops in the intelligence world, and that the whole agency is just there to act as a shadow government (Deep State)?

https://www.businessinsider.com/cia-isis-leader-al-baghdadi-wife-courier-arrested-tip-2019-10

You seem to be crediting Military Intelligence.  Do you even know what their role and scope of work is in global information gathering? 

And you still haven't answered why Baghdadi has anything to do with the Deep State.

 

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