ExpandMyMind Posted November 20, 2019 #626 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: All we heard was just wait, Mueller will uncover all of Trumps crimes. He sort of did. There are tens of investigations, Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in campaign finance crimes and he was just convicted of fraud for stealing millions from his charity. Edited November 20, 2019 by ExpandMyMind 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted November 20, 2019 #627 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, RAyMO said: OK so, Sondland decides he's not going to be the fall guy - very clear in his deposition. So really over to Rudy - to see if he will take the fall. which is likely to do by accident anyway. Maybe. Rudy doesn't strike me as the loyal type though when it comes down to it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian hacktorp Posted November 20, 2019 #628 Share Posted November 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: Don't obsess over the packages under the tree, just wait for Christmas. Yay! I've always loved early Christmases... Ukrainian Indictment Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million Quote "Last week, November 14, the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO), unnoticed by the media, announced a new suspicion to the notorious owner of Burisma, ex-Ecology Minister Zlochevsky. According to the suspicion, the Yanukovych family is suspected, in particular, with legalizing (laundering) of criminally obtained income through Franklin Templeton Investments, an investment fund carrying out purchases of external government loan bonds totaling $7.4 billion," said Derkach, adding that the money was criminally obtained and invested in the purchase of Ukrainian debt in 2013 - 2014. "The son of Templeton's founder, John Templeton Jr., was one of President Obama's major campaign donors. Another fund-related character is Thomas Donilon. Managing Director of BlackRock Investment Institute, shareholder Franklin Templeton Investments, which has the largest share in the fund. It is noteworthy that he previously was Obama's national security advisor," Derkach added. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-indictment-reveals-hunter-biden-group-made-165-million-mp 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted November 20, 2019 #629 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) "I want nothing. I want nothing," Mr. Trump read to reporters outside the White House. "I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky — President Zelensky to do the right thing" This is a very interesting answer to an open question re Ukraine - "what do you want Mr President." what did Trump take to be the right thing? But the bit that is truly interesting is "Tell Zelensky — President Zelensky to do the right thing" - why would Trump have thought that Zelensky would do anything other than the right thing, and why tell a US ambassador to tell the president of another country to do the right thing - especially when the same ambassador and others have been trying to get Zelensky to publicly make a statement on the investigations Trump wanted. Was the right thing to make those statements or, to forget about the statements that his ambassadors had been chasing for months. Edited November 20, 2019 by RAyMO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted November 20, 2019 #630 Share Posted November 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, RAyMO said: "I want nothing. I want nothing," Mr. Trump read to reporters outside the White House. "I want no quid pro quo. Tell Zelensky — President Zelensky to do the right thing" This is a very interesting answer to an open question re Ukraine - "what do you want Mr President." what did Trump take to be the right thing? But the bit that is truly interesting in "Tell Zelensky — President Zelensky to do the right thing" - why would Trump have thought that Zelensky would do anything other than the right thing, and why tell a US ambassador to tell the president of another country to do the right thing - especially when the same ambassador and others have been trying to get Zelensky to publicly make a statement on the investigations Trump wanted. Was the right thing to make those statements or, to forget about the statements that his ambassadors had been chasing for months. It doesn't matter what he says on a call. If I order all my underlings to do things, then go on to deny it, it doesn't magically mean I didn't direct them. It's sort of like saying, 'No quid pro quo' right before offering a quid pro quo. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted November 20, 2019 #631 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said: It doesn't matter what he says on a call. If I order all my underlings to do things, then go on to deny it, it doesn't magically mean I didn't direct them. It's sort of like saying, 'No quid pro quo' right before offering a quid pro quo. True but the point is that by saying that, trying to de-implicate himself - he shows he knows whats going on. Edited November 20, 2019 by RAyMO 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted November 20, 2019 #632 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, RAyMO said: True but the point is that by saying that, trying to de-implicate himself - he shows he knows whats going on. It's always been a bit difficult to do so, really, since Mulvaney directly admitted to it and admitted that it was the President's idea. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted November 20, 2019 #633 Share Posted November 20, 2019 https://i.imgur.com/rMmdB2k.mp4 Nunes's reaction after Sondland's opening testimony. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted November 20, 2019 #634 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, hacktorp said: Yay! I've always loved early Christmases... Ukrainian Indictment Claims $7.4 Billion Obama-Linked Laundering, Puts Biden Group Take At $16.5 Million https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-indictment-reveals-hunter-biden-group-made-165-million-mp Great Googly Moogly! I own shares in a Franklin Templeton Fund! Does that mean I am part of this $7.4 billion Obama linked laundering as well!? <Scrambles to call lawyer> 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted November 20, 2019 #635 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Quote Former Whitewater Independent Counsel Ken Starr said Wednesday that the testimony of Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland all but guarantees articles of impeachment will be drawn up by House Democrats. "The articles of impeachment are being drawn up, if they haven't already been drawn up. ... This obviously has been one of those bombshell days," said Starr, predicting that the Democrats will now allege obstruction by the administration after Sondland testified that he was not allowed to access documents that could have aided his testimony. Starr said Sondland was "vehement" in his claim that he was denied "access to records to help him." "We have now, a process crime, contempt of Congress, contempt of the House in the course of its impeachment," he said, adding Democrats will claim Sondland's testimony proves President Trump "committed the crime of bribery." https://www.foxnews.com/media/ken-starr-gordon-sondland-quid-pro-quo-bombshell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted November 20, 2019 #636 Share Posted November 20, 2019 You know, Sondland is all fine and dandy as witnesses go, but the real fun will still be Giuliani, Bolton, Mulvaney, and the like that are current resisting the subpoenas. All this stuff is doing is setting the groundwork. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynGuy Posted November 20, 2019 Author #637 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Gromdor said: You know, Sondland is all fine and dandy as witnesses go, but the real fun will still be Giuliani, Bolton, Mulvaney, and the like that are current resisting the subpoenas. All this stuff is doing is setting the groundwork. I agree Gromdor it will be interesting to see how this plays out as the testimony today has been fascinating and the participants are very skilled litigators and dues paying SAG members. Now I think that you would also agree that once we get the actual vote for impeachment in the House and this moves to the Senate that we are likely to see a long drown out impeachment process that may last for months if not right up until a month or two before the 2020 election. Thankfully we will have the opportunity to see much more of this for months to come and if that wasn't enough of a CHRISTmas gift we also have Inspector General Horowitz's and Inspector General Durham's reports and those two hearings to look forward to as well. So to answer your question, Yes Gromdor there really is a Santa Claus! One of my all time favorite movies: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted November 20, 2019 #638 Share Posted November 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, Gromdor said: Great Googly Moogly! I own shares in a Franklin Templeton Fund! Does that mean I am part of this $7.4 billion Obama linked laundering as well!? <Scrambles to call lawyer> no, but you may lose some money if they get in hot water, their shares may not worth much after, and if that happens, of course you will blame trump, lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted November 20, 2019 #639 Share Posted November 20, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 10:03 AM, BrooklynGuy said: Here is Representative Eric Swalwell's biggest contribution so far to the impeachment inquiry imo. Rep. Eric Swalwell appears to fart on live TV Read more: https://nypost.com/2019/11/19/congressman-eric-swalwell-appears-to-fart-on-live-tv/ This may well be the highlight of the whole process. It will all go away like a fart in a breeze. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted November 20, 2019 #640 Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, BrooklynGuy said: I agree Gromdor it will be interesting to see how this plays out as the testimony today has been fascinating and the participants are very skilled litigators and dues paying SAG members. Now I think that you would also agree that once we get the actual vote for impeachment in the House and this moves to the Senate that we are likely to see a long drown out impeachment process that may last for months if not right up until a month or two before the 2020 election. Thankfully we will have the opportunity to see much more of this for months to come and if that wasn't enough of a CHRISTmas gift we also have Inspector General Horowitz's and Inspector General Durham's reports and those two hearings to look forward to as well. So to answer your question, Yes Gromdor there really is a Santa Claus! One of my all time favorite movies: bigger question is how much this circus cost taxpayers?? and do politicians now do anything else other then participate in it? we could prbly pay cirque du soleil for a new performance everyday, for entire year, (and build stages for them to, a new one for every show) for the money politicians waste. and entertainment value would be astronomically higher, and there would be no dividing of population, which is real goal of this circus, not really impeaching trump. left is doing everything they can to get power back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted November 20, 2019 #641 Share Posted November 20, 2019 4 hours ago, hacktorp said: But you're right about it being "game over". It was over before it started. They really are delusional. Damned near barking... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted November 20, 2019 #642 Share Posted November 20, 2019 40 minutes ago, Gromdor said: You know, Sondland is all fine and dandy as witnesses go, but the real fun will still be Giuliani, Bolton, Mulvaney, and the like that are current resisting the subpoenas. All this stuff is doing is setting the groundwork. How the merry **** do you legally resist a subpoena? I thought it was a case of “turn up or we’ll send the police to escort you”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted November 20, 2019 #643 Share Posted November 20, 2019 2 hours ago, bee said: careful now - you are dangerously close to a Joy Behar Moment...... I would actually love to be a fly on the wall when Ex realizes that Trump was never in any jeopardy from this process and the American people are actually bored by it. I do hope the dear boy's cell is padded The longer these efforts continue, the more hysterical and strident their supporters become. They may need quiet spaces with kittens before we're done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted November 20, 2019 #644 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, RAyMO said: Was the right thing to make those statements or, to forget about the statements that his ambassadors had been chasing for months. Maybe a better question would be - when will Trump's detractors finally accept what Zelinsky, Trump and a few other Ukrainian officials have ALREADY categorically stated about this issue? This entire investigation and circus is based on refusing to accept the plain statement of the two parties to the call while substituting the feelings and impressions of others who either listened or worse, were told of it second hand. The whole thing is ridiculous on its face and every witness who has been directly asked about Trump asking for something in exchange for aid have clearly denied it. No attempt whatever at weasel words. They've given a clear NO, to a man. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted November 20, 2019 #645 Share Posted November 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, and then said: I would actually love to be a fly on the wall when Ex realizes that Trump was never in any jeopardy from this process and the American people are actually bored by it. I do hope the dear boy's cell is padded The longer these efforts continue, the more hysterical and strident their supporters become. They may need quiet spaces with kittens before we're done. I know he won't be removed from office. All that will reveal is more evidence of the Republican Party and its supporters' absolute lack of any integrity whatsoever. Their President who admitted sexual assault, violated campaign finance laws, effectively orphaned and packed brown children into cages like sardines, gave Syria to Russia and according to a recent Pentagon statement allowed ISIS to rebuild, is openly racist, betrayed Kurdish allies to a potential genocide. And now he's used his power as the President to force a foreign leader to target his main political rivals, something you only ever even hear about happening in dictatorships. When Kenn Star calls today's revelations a bombshell and still those on the committee and people online can't allow themselves to open their eyes, you know something is deeply, deeply wrong. Aye, mucker, I don't care whether Trump is removed from office or not. I'm just going to sit and wait patiently for all these brainwashed fools to realise their horrific mistake. And they will, many of them, just as many Bush supporters realised what Bush was all about with Iraq. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted November 20, 2019 #646 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I like how Biden is excused for blatant admitted extortion because "other countries" wanted the prosecutor gone too. Why couldn't these other countries coerse the desired outcome? Why couldn't there be a joint effort if it was so important? Nope. Biden just had to be the one. The US just had to be the country and Hunter biden wasn't even a thought, consideration or blip on the radar. Give me a break. You guys live in Toon Town! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz_Light_Year Posted November 20, 2019 #647 Share Posted November 20, 2019 10 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said: https://i.imgur.com/rMmdB2k.mp4 Nunes's reaction after Sondland's opening testimony. Yeah what I seen was a lot of intestinal fortitude to refrain from reaching over to Schift and popping his bobble head off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted November 20, 2019 #648 Share Posted November 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, F3SS said: I like how Biden is excused for blatant admitted extortion because "other countries" wanted the prosecutor gone too. You consider following US foreign policy and the advice of the EU, IMF and UN to be personal extortion? He was doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynGuy Posted November 20, 2019 Author #649 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Good to see Ambassador Sondland maintain his sense of humor under brutal questioning from both sides. I'm sure A$AP Rocky appreciates the free press he is getting More on the story Gordon Sondland name-drops A$AP Rocky during impeachment hearing The House impeachment hearing got some hip-hop cred Wednesday, when EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland brought up Harlem rapper A$AP Rocky as he testified before lawmakers. The diplomat said he was finally able to recall that he had a phone conversation with President Trump in a Kiev restaurant — in which he told Trump that the Ukrainian president “loves your ass” — when other witnesses said talk involved discussion of the legal problems facing the rapper. Read more: https://nypost.com/2019/11/20/gordon-sondland-name-drops-aap-rocky-during-impeachment-hearing/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted November 20, 2019 #650 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 minute ago, ExpandMyMind said: You consider following US foreign policy and the advice of the EU, IMF and UN to be personal extortion? He was doing his job. All the same guys/same scenario want another prosecutor out that happens to be investigating Eric or Don Jr, hell why not both, as the sit on a board of directors of a foreign entity of which they have no real knowledge or skills and are taking in huge money. Trump handles it himself the same exact way. Nah, let's just simplify it. It's Pences kids and Pence handles it. You're going to tell me you sit idly by? You wouldn't question it? I guess there's no consistency in Toon Town. Anything goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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