Mr Walker Posted November 17, 2020 #1326 Share Posted November 17, 2020 On 11/16/2020 at 4:56 PM, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker Language exists so that people can express thoughts so words have a specific purpose and yes cats are called by different words in different languages but everyone understands what a cat is because it is a description of something that exists Not really Well yes but they describe one real cat and one imaginary god apple-orange No and given the criteria of what a god is nor do I have any expectation of meeting one Yes To do what read stories that have no more documentation than yours does? Gee I don't know but I have met a lot of people over the years and have met a variety of people and yes there were a couple that thought they were some kind of prophet but no no one has ever told me that they had met god personally or and angel. jmccr8 "Everyone" knows what a dragon or an elf is and yet they do not exist. Its true that someone who doesn't read or watch the media/movies etc. might not know what a dragon is but if you lived in place without cats you wouldn't have experience with them either The point is that it doesn't matter if gods or ghosts are real or not, when it comes to identifying one You dont have to expect or believe in a god for it to come to you, (The y are a bit like dogs in that way) When you read a text book or a travel book you are taking the word of the author, unless you already have knowledge experience of what's in the book . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 17, 2020 #1327 Share Posted November 17, 2020 10 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker And yet you still believe in imaginary or real dragons when we know that they don't exist? jmccr8 No I dont believe in them. Whatever gave you that idea ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 17, 2020 #1328 Share Posted November 17, 2020 10 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker Well much as you like to thinks so your world is unique to you and not what many experience in life. Yes I know you will argue fruitlessly to maintain your position but in reality that is all it is, your perspective. jmccr8 Every human beings' life experiences are individual to them Sometimes our experiences overlap(eg most of us have met a dog or a cat (but fewer have ever eaten one) Sometimes they do not (You havent met a god or a ghost ) And yes it is my perspective, But so is yours, and yours is formed and maintained by your own experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 18, 2020 #1329 Share Posted November 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said: No I can't, that's just a faith-based belief of yours. I asked you to believe it since it's just a matter of 'choice'. ...I don't think have ever been mentioned as affecting the ability to choose your beliefs. This seems to determine and control my beliefs actually. Neither of those are true, there is no such thing as 'true knowledge' from our perspective. I have experience with the things you have, I just didn't come to the wrong conclusion about them like you. Your definitions are getting worse. If justified true beliefs are true then there's no reason not to refer to them as knowledge. Unless now 'knowledge' means things that are true from personal experience and 'justified true beliefs' are true despite not personally experiencing them, which doesn't agree with your previous definitions. No, you realize wrong. I came up with a ridiculous example to test whether you can just 'choose to believe it' as you claim not only you do but others do also, despite these others telling you directly that they do not. Kinda funny how the copy and pasting from google is absent here on this, maybe it's because you've already checked that out as I already have and can't find much to support your position that we consciously choose what we think is true. Yes they can.That is the nature of the human mind and cognition A human being CAN choose to believe anything the y like, no matter how ridiculous, if the y have a good enough reason to. If the y choose to believe something known to be untrue then this can be either the result or the cause of psychological problems well if you don't form your beliefs and disbeliefs via rational choices you are in trouble Look up the experts on these questions The nature of knowldge is defined if sometimes debated Justified true belief is the academic term for things which happen to be true, which we choose to believe, but which we cannot KNOW eg What is the distance from the earth to the moon? Have you ever measured itm or do you just have a belief, which is almost certainly justified and true, based on data you got from a second or third hand source? and yep thats been exactly my position all the time True knowledge or actually just real knowledge is learned from personal experience, so that you KNOW it is true. Everything else which you "know" is basically either justified true belief or sometimes justified false belief I learned how humans learn to think and speak as part of my educational studies. Ive learned more over the years its hard to believe you cant find how human beliefs are constructed But I admit tha t google is a bit dense in this regard quote Our thinking is a result of the collection of beliefs and perceptions we hold, which I call a Belief Construct, and determines the way in which we perceive reality. We develop our Belief Construct from all of our personal experiences along with what we have learned or been told and then accepted as real. Each time we acquire new beliefs and ideas, the entire Belief Construct is reorganized to incorporate this information. As we experience more and get older, we have an increasingly sophisticated structure that grows and changes with each new experience. Your Belief Construct is the basis for how you perceive things, whether things are right or wrong, important or unimportant, and so on. When a person’s Belief Construct is more important than what they want or the feeling that is happening inside of them, they are living a life dictated by beliefs. They are missing the most exciting parts of life and condemning themselves to conflict and dissatisfaction. You have the right to question and change any belief. By doing so, you choose how you perceive and live your life. You give yourself the freedom to overcome angst and conflict and open the door to greater peace and happiness. You give yourself the right to get what you want. https://thriveglobal.com/stories/belief-constructs/ Physically speaking, then, how does a belief exist in the brain? "My own position is to think of beliefs and memories as very similar," says Taylor. Memories are formed in the brain as networks of neurons that fire when stimulated by an event. The more times the network is employed, the more it fires and the stronger the memory becomes. Halligan says that belief takes the concept of memory a step further. "A belief is a mental architecture of how we interpret the world," he says. "We have lots of fluid things moving by - perceptions and so forth - but at the level of who our friends are and so on, those things are consolidated in crystallised knowledge units. If we did not have those, every time we woke up, how would we know who we are?" Neuroscientists have long looked at brains that do not function properly to understand how healthy ones work. Researchers of belief formation do the same thing, albeit with a twist. "You look at people who have delusions," says Halligan. "The assumption is that a delusion is a false belief. That is saying that the content of it is wrong, but it still has the construct of a belief." https://www.theguardian.com/science/2005/jun/30/psychology.neuroscience https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10699-015-9409-z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 18, 2020 #1330 Share Posted November 18, 2020 11 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said: OK, now I can tell just how far removed from reality you really are. ROFLMAO Because I have had experiences that you have not, you think l am "out of touch" with reality Of course it is the inverse which is true. Your experience with reality is limited and hence your understanding of its nature is like wise limited Ive spoken at length to experts, both professionally and personally. Not one has suggested I cant tell reality from non reality. Indeed clinical diagnoses found the opposite to be true. I have a high level of abilty (and the skills required) to discern external and internal realities. Professionals don't comment on whether gods angels ghosts etc are real. The y just work out your abilty to tell reality from non reality Ie if you can tell what is outside your mind from tha t which exists within your mind) and if you have the skills required to do so. Even the atheist psychologists i have spoken with never suggested that the things i encountered weren't real. The y just put them in an "unexplained" basket and told me the y encounter many people with similar experiences Because you do not believe these things exist, you believe that anyone who claims contact with them is mistaken That is simply not true but, anyway, you need to recognise that it is only your belief, not anything you can know, or prove. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted November 18, 2020 #1331 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: Even the atheist psychologists i have spoken with never suggested that the things i encountered weren't real. You're a funny old man, Walker. I'll give you that. Edited November 18, 2020 by Nuclear Wessel 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 18, 2020 Author #1332 Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Walker said: "Everyone" knows what a dragon or an elf is and yet they do not exist. Hi Walker That is correct. 1 hour ago, Mr Walker said: Its true that someone who doesn't read or watch the media/movies etc. might not know what a dragon is but if you lived in place without cats you wouldn't have experience with them either The point is that it doesn't matter if gods or ghosts are real or not, when it comes to identifying one I would suggest that most children by age know what dragons are and that they are imaginary and that even if a child never saw a cat in person that they know they are real because they are everywhere unless of course they live in a bubble in isolation. Hell when I was younger I couldn't believe how many people living in an agricultural environment hadn't ever seen a cow but they all knew what a cow was and were aware that it was our food source so there was no illusion of real or imaginary cows we ate them and knew we did. 2 hours ago, Mr Walker said: You dont have to expect or believe in a god for it to come to you, (The y are a bit like dogs in that way) I don't and so far no gods but lots of dogs, for some reason animals like me. 2 hours ago, Mr Walker said: When you read a text book or a travel book you are taking the word of the author, unless you already have knowledge experience of what's in the book . To be fair most of what you argue here is based on things you read, heard by either chit-chat or media that get filtered through your personal biases and delivered here to us. Yup we read stuff, some of us slower than others or heard stuff just like you did maybe even on some of the same subjects and for some reason end up on different planets and i's quite full on this one how much space you got? Because apparently not everyone gets the same understanding of material so generally the what the majority deems accurate is the norm and at this point in time the majority of the human population does not claim to have seen god in a physical form and until they do I will pretty much stand by what my personal concept of god is. jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 18, 2020 Author #1333 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr Walker said: No I dont believe in them. Whatever gave you that idea ? Hi Walker Because you used them in your argument as a comparative of real is just as real as imaginary. jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 18, 2020 Author #1334 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr Walker said: Every human beings' life experiences are individual to them Sometimes our experiences overlap(eg most of us have met a dog or a cat (but fewer have ever eaten one) Sometimes they do not (You havent met a god or a ghost ) And yes it is my perspective, But so is yours, and yours is formed and maintained by your own experiences. Hi Walker Correct, up to the bit where I meet god if I eat a dog. Yes it is your perspective and it works for you in your life in where you are and most of us don't live there we live somewhere else no place more important than the other but vastly different so no offence to you but I can't be you because I am me. jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 18, 2020 Author #1335 Share Posted November 18, 2020 My afterlife as a clone. jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted November 18, 2020 #1336 Share Posted November 18, 2020 14 hours ago, Mr Walker said: but it still has the construct of a belief. Was the belief constructed as an act of will by a believer or instead more by the brain automatically? There's a difference between 'people can have ridiculous beliefs' and 'people can use their free will to consciously choose to believe in any proposition'. I don't see much supporting the latter, there definitely wasn't anything in your links, and since it likens it to memory it sounds like something more involuntary. If you respond try to not keep typing statements that are ambiguous between these two belief-formation alternatives - 'construct of a belief' doesn't tell us anything about how it was constructed or whether it was an act of will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 18, 2020 #1337 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said: Was the belief constructed as an act of will by a believer or instead more by the brain automatically? There's a difference between 'people can have ridiculous beliefs' and 'people can use their free will to consciously choose to believe in any proposition'. I don't see much supporting the latter, there definitely wasn't anything in your links, and since it likens it to memory it sounds like something more involuntary. If you respond try to not keep typing statements that are ambiguous between these two belief-formation alternatives - 'construct of a belief' doesn't tell us anything about how it was constructed or whether it was an act of will. IMO Beliefs cannot really be constructed or maintained other than consciously However, there can be subconscious drivers which go to how and why we construct a belief Eg i generic have to consciously construct a belief in a god, but i may not realise that i chose to construct this belief because it met a need in my life I might choose to love a particular woman but not realise this choice was influenced by how i felt about my mother I might choose to be honest but not appreciate the many factors which helped me make this choice if a belief was totally sub conscious you wouldn't be aware of it , you wouldn't act on it, and thus it wouldn't be a belief I see no difference. if a person can choose to believe anything, then the y can choose to believe the most ridiculous things (like a flat earth or faked moon landings ) They do need to have a compelling reason to believe such things and also a logical ( if factually incorrect) reasoning for doing so If you cant see the reasoning/connections in the links do a bit more research. I suspect your preconceptions are closing off what was being said (but then i am more open to some pov than the norm and have more background in cognition and belief construction ) I admit the links were long, and only in part made the point i was arguing. I did wonder if oyu would find or make the connections yourself Sometimes it was inherently understood (as when i bolded the sentence on belief CONSTRUCTS) you cannot construct build or maintain any cognitive pattern without conscious input Thus the use of the word construct implies conscious choices eg a building doesn't get built without planning, design, effort and choices Neither does a belief I really didn't want to be more specific as it is better for a person to find and come to information themselves Its true that there can be a fine line between our consciousness and subconscious thoughts , but if you know you have a belief then you can work out how and why you constructed it If you totally dont know you have a belief then you dont have it In reality we can know and understand our subconscious choices through conscious investigation and reasoning https://aeon.co/ideas/is-consciousness-a-battle-between-your-beliefs-and-perceptions Edited November 18, 2020 by Mr Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted November 18, 2020 #1338 Share Posted November 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: I really didn't want to be more specific as it is better for a person to find and come to information themselves Ha, all I can say is that I don't think I've ever seen your postings reflect this credo in the past. 12 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: Thus the use of the word construct implies conscious choices eg a building doesn't get built without planning, design, effort and choices Neither does a belief So we can choose our beliefs like we choose what to make for breakfast. You may think you do 'construct' beliefs voluntarily but if you have really read anything about it then you should have noticed the number of psychologists who disagree with you, and that it is a far deeper and apparently partly sub/unconscious process. I can't make myself choose to believe that Jupiter is made of cheese, and it's not because I 'know' it's not using your definition. I think some things are true and some things are not, and the only willpower I seem to have over those is my 'choice' of what to investigate to try and change those. I don't believe in ghosts, I can't just sit here and change that through thinking, all I could do is keep looking for some evidence that may convince 'me' to believe in them. I don't willfully decide to 'become convinced'. Regardless, since I'm the only one with 'evidence' about my own mind using your definitions then it is wrong for you to say that I and others arrive at our beliefs using our will the way you believe yourself to, because that itself is just a faith that you have. 13 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: if a belief was totally sub conscious you wouldn't be aware of it , you wouldn't act on it, and thus it wouldn't be a belief Who said anything about 'totally'? We act on things in our subconscious despite not being aware of them, that's usually why the 'subconscious' even merits a mention. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 19, 2020 #1339 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said: Ha, all I can say is that I don't think I've ever seen your postings reflect this credo in the past. So we can choose our beliefs like we choose what to make for breakfast. You may think you do 'construct' beliefs voluntarily but if you have really read anything about it then you should have noticed the number of psychologists who disagree with you, and that it is a far deeper and apparently partly sub/unconscious process. I can't make myself choose to believe that Jupiter is made of cheese, and it's not because I 'know' it's not using your definition. I think some things are true and some things are not, and the only willpower I seem to have over those is my 'choice' of what to investigate to try and change those. I don't believe in ghosts, I can't just sit here and change that through thinking, all I could do is keep looking for some evidence that may convince 'me' to believe in them. I don't willfully decide to 'become convinced'. Regardless, since I'm the only one with 'evidence' about my own mind using your definitions then it is wrong for you to say that I and others arrive at our beliefs using our will the way you believe yourself to, because that itself is just a faith that you have. Who said anything about 'totally'? We act on things in our subconscious despite not being aware of them, that's usually why the 'subconscious' even merits a mention. Exactly Indeed its identical Of course you may choose breakfast by habit, preference, hunger, desire for something different, what's available to you, etc.., on any one day but basically you choose your breakfast. Like wise you choose your belief (and others like ethical/ moral etc. ) constructs. H ow do you think you get YOUR beliefs ? Where do they come from, if not from choices your mind makes? Oh Ive read the literature and in part it is correct but i also covered tha t Subconscious beliefs can be discovered, interrogated, and altered, by our conscious mind, and one of the roles of psychologists is to help people do this But even subconscious choices are choices over which you have control You just have to work at it a bit harder. so you might form a belief based on things you learned as a child and it becomes part of your subconscious world view. BUT you can recognise it. Recognise how and why you constructed it, and then decide to keep it or alter it or abandon it You CAN make yourself believe that Jupiter is made of cheese but it would be dangerous, stupid and illogical to do so, and so why would you choose to? Yet people make themselves construct just as ludicrous beliefs Well, let's say someone offered me a million dollars to believe it I could do it, no worries, because THEN it would be stupid and illogical NOT to construct that belief. Then, when i had the million dollars i would deconstruct it . I could do a good enough job to fool a lie detector and even brain scans. Beliefs are just constructs we build for a purpose/reason With a good enough reason you can build any belief. evidences are irrelevant (well at least not essential) in the formation of beliefs. Indeed. enough evidence and you have knowledge which prevents belief construction You can change ANY belief or thought pattern through will because that is all thought patterns are . Patterns of neural energy, which we can shape and form, or reshape, or deconstruct . A human being can,( and should) learn how to be able to, alter any cognitive state by will and discipline Ie rather than feel fear, build courage. Rather than feel anger, construct peace. Rather than feel hate, construct love. Rather than vengeance, construct forgiveness. it is hard to learn (unless you learn it as a child) and then easy to do Neuroscience has established much about the human mind and cognitive patterns. I hate to tell you but basically your mind and mine are the same. What i can learn to do you can learn to do and vice versa. My point was that beliefs are never totally subconscious. So there we agree, if we were totally unaware of something, it couldn't influence us to act. Edited November 19, 2020 by Mr Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 19, 2020 Author #1340 Share Posted November 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Mr Walker said: IMO Beliefs cannot really be constructed or maintained other than consciously However, there can be subconscious drivers which go to how and why we construct a belief Hi Walker I am copy/pasting you quote from Dany's thread here to respond. just a quick comment I dont write for particular posters or groups of posters, i write as if I am writing to a million unknown people. Your comments are probably correct, yet even you ask why i do it. if you are familiar with my reasoning , why ask? Ps its not deceptive either deliberately or incidentally I see my entity AS the same "god" humans have known for tens of thousands of years Personally i dont see it as a god, but most people would disagree if it entered into their lives. You might be writing to anybody but you are talking to us why pretend you are on a stage? We come here to spend time with people that we have come to know and for learning,laughing and beating dead horses. jmccr8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 19, 2020 #1341 Share Posted November 19, 2020 54 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker I am copy/pasting you quote from Dany's thread here to respond. just a quick comment I dont write for particular posters or groups of posters, i write as if I am writing to a million unknown people. Your comments are probably correct, yet even you ask why i do it. if you are familiar with my reasoning , why ask? Ps its not deceptive either deliberately or incidentally I see my entity AS the same "god" humans have known for tens of thousands of years Personally i dont see it as a god, but most people would disagree if it entered into their lives. You might be writing to anybody but you are talking to us why pretend you are on a stage? We come here to spend time with people that we have come to know and for learning,laughing and beating dead horses. jmccr8 That is just how i see it. I write to an audience, not to anonymous posters on the internet. That audience may not exist, but i write as if it does. I write as if a million people are reading it and its being recorded for posterity Just my narcissistic hubris I guess I've been "on a stage and performing to an audience" for almost half a century (That is basically what teaching is) Too much trouble to change now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 19, 2020 Author #1342 Share Posted November 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Walker said: That is just how i see it. I write to an audience, not to anonymous posters on the internet. That audience may not exist, but i write as if it does. I write as if a million people are reading it and its being recorded for posterity Just my narcissistic hubris I guess I've been "on a stage and performing to an audience" for almost half a century (That is basically what teaching is) Too much trouble to change now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted November 19, 2020 #1343 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Mr Walker said: That is just how i see it. I write to an audience, not to anonymous posters on the internet. That audience may not exist, but i write as if it does. I write as if a million people are reading it and its being recorded for posterity Just my narcissistic hubris I guess I've been "on a stage and performing to an audience" for almost half a century (That is basically what teaching is) Too much trouble to change now. You write some interesting fiction, that’s for sure. Your tall tales have made me laugh a few times. I know just how much your narcissistic ego enjoys the attention, though. That’s why you continue pushing those wild assertions and tall tales. You can’t resist inserting your personal anecdotes or patting yourself on the back in virtually every thread you have ever commented on. Youre completely unwilling to accept being incorrect about anything and when you realize that you don’t know what you’re talking about you twist things around and come up with your own definitions of things so that it turns out you weren’t wrong after all, we just didn’t read or interpret what you were saying properly. IMO that is one of the most frustrating traits about you: “no you didn’t read what I said”, “no you misinterpret what I am saying”, as if we are somehow woefully incapable of understanding the greatness that is Walker. It’s unbelievably irritating seeing things like “yet again you didn’t read my post” or “again you misunderstand me” to people who clearly understood what was written, and are more than capable of such. For years it has been the same thing: you make a ridiculous claim, somebody challenges your claim, you insert some personal anecdote about one of your achievements or personal “speshul” abilities and try to tie it into the topic in some way, people claim nonsense or refute your argument, you claim they didn’t understand what you were actually saying then you shift the topic in a greasy way in the hopes that they don’t notice and call you out on it. Myself and others have read enough of your uncreative writing over the years to notice when this happens. I don’t know why you are the only person on this forum who does this to such an extent, despite the fact that many others have called you out on it. Might be because you’re just a bored old man who doesn’t want to come to terms that he’s no longer relevant. If only you were half as believeable or interesting as you project yourself. Edited November 19, 2020 by Nuclear Wessel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 19, 2020 #1344 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said: You write some interesting fiction, that’s for sure. Your tall tales have made me laugh a few times. I know just how much your narcissistic ego enjoys the attention, though. That’s why you continue pushing those wild assertions and tall tales. You can’t resist inserting your personal anecdotes or patting yourself on the back in virtually every thread you have ever commented on. Youre completely unwilling to accept being incorrect about anything and when you realize that you don’t know what you’re talking about you twist things around and come up with your own definitions of things so that it turns out you weren’t wrong after all, we just didn’t read or interpret what you were saying properly. IMO that is one of the most frustrating traits about you: “no you didn’t read what I said”, “no you misinterpret what I am saying”, as if we are somehow woefully incapable of understanding the greatness that is Walker. It’s unbelievably irritating seeing things like “yet again you didn’t read my post” or “again you misunderstand me” to people who clearly understood what was written, and are more than capable of such. For years it has been the same thing: you make a ridiculous claim, somebody challenges your claim, you insert some personal anecdote about one of your achievements or personal “speshul” abilities and try to tie it into the topic in some way, people claim nonsense or refute your argument, you claim they didn’t understand what you were actually saying then you shift the topic in a greasy way in the hopes that they don’t notice and call you out on it. Myself and others have read enough of your uncreative writing over the years to notice when this happens. I don’t know why you are the only person on this forum who does this to such an extent, despite the fact that many others have called you out on it. Might be because you’re just a bored old man who doesn’t want to come to terms that he’s no longer relevant. If only you were half as believeable or interesting as you project yourself. You know nothing yes i enjoy story telling but for the pleasure it gives others, not for my own ego I wrote my first story aged about 7 for my younger brother about a manmade form a peanut who slept in a matchbox I wrote our family history for others and i wrote a lot of dungeons and dragon modules for friends and family I understand that others see an imaginative bloke and assume that all his stories are fiction. Thats untrue. I have ad a life filled with real and interesting things /events and with imaginative and fascinating things . I ihave no problem at all keeping the two separate Not completely unable Once in a while I am wrong, but its extremely rare Of course right and wrong dont apply to opinions or beliefs but its extremely rare for me to make a factual error The definitions i use are not "my own" constructs but accepted as part of normal language Sometimes the y may be modern or vernacular, sometimes the y may have an historical root or etymology I can always defend them using sources. Because of my particular education i tend to be more accepting of a wider application of language, while some think a dictionary is the be all and end all of definitions ie idont usually argue that people are wrong about a word, just that there are wider applications and usages of it and people DO constantly misinterpret and misread what i wrote. A few even post points that i never made as coming from me I dont know if that is deliberate or simply that they have reinterpreted what i actually wrote through what the y find it possible to believe, or through how the y view me eg its been said that i support slavery yet ive categorically said that i do not. However historically slavery was an inevitable product of social technological and economic circumstances. Slavery can sometimes be preferable to the death of an individual or a society thus we cannot condemn past societies for keeping slaves anymore than a future society could legitimately condemn us for practices we find quite normal (like eating meat or using animals ) None of my claims are ridiculous, although they are often designed t obe debatable and promote discussion All my personal recollections are true and go to why and how i know some things and have certain values and ethics lol Bbored? i wish i could be so lucky Ive never been bored since I was a child and every day is so filled that it is tiring To get everything done i go to bed after midnight and get up around 7 We are in a 6 day lock down at the moment and its given me a few hours extra to catch up (eg cant walk the dogs which used to take me an hour each day Cant get a coffee and read the paper (another half an hour) cant visit anyone like friends, family, neighbours or the elderly ( an hour or so each day) or travel out of the town, and can only go to the shops once a day old? what's age got to do with anything? Irrelevant ? While no longer a paid professional, i am still playing a significant purpose as a carer for my wife and in my community eg I run a swap fridge outside our house where people can take or exchange books and dvds (all sanitised ) I have an extensive garden which provides food to neighbours and community. I am the support person for two young mothers and their children and spend an hour or so each day on the phone listening to them and helping them, plus helping with practical things like money and labour. As above i visit some (truly) elderly people to give them companionship and support ps Oh, and in real life i am at least TWICE as interesting as online What you see of me here, is about 1/24 of my life Edited November 19, 2020 by Mr Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted November 20, 2020 #1345 Share Posted November 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: You know nothing Quote yes i enjoy story telling but for the pleasure it gives others, not for my own ego I wrote my first story aged about 7 for my younger brother about a manmade form a peanut who slept in a matchbox I wrote our family history for others and i wrote a lot of dungeons and dragon modules for friends and family The bold is unnecessary, and speaks to your inability to refrain from making discussions focus on you in some way. Quote Not completely unable Once in a while I am wrong, but its extremely rare Quote and people DO constantly misinterpret and misread what i wrote. Sure they do. Quote None of my claims are ridiculous, Myself and others on this forum strongly disagree with this point. Quote All my personal recollections are true and go to why and how i know some things and have certain values and ethics Except for the whale in the tuna pen, among others. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 20, 2020 #1346 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said: The bold is unnecessary, and speaks to your inability to refrain from making discussions focus on you in some way. Sure they do. Myself and others on this forum strongly disagree with this point. Except for the whale in the tuna pen, among others. The bold was a direct response to this criticism I know just how much your narcissistic ego enjoys the attention, though. ie i write not for my ego but for the pleasure and information it gives others The examples made my point But yes i enjoy all forms of communication. Of course people without similar experiences find some of mine "ridiculous" However the y are not Being true they cant really also be ridiculous That recollection was also true as far as can be ascertained I gave two slightly difernt recollections of an event from 40 years ago No one now knows which was more accurate, but in fact the truth could have been a combination of the two ie the baby whale escaped over the net but divers had altered the net to allow it to do so Remember I was called a liar for even saying that a whale had been caught in the enclosure, and then escaped Now people want to claim I was lying because i gave two slightly different recollections of the event This goes to a desperate need by them to discredit anything i post so the y can remain comfortable in their own limited worlds and their states of denial A perception of ridicule is often a defence mechanism against an unwanted truth Ie deflection by ridicule Edited November 20, 2020 by Mr Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 20, 2020 #1347 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: quoted instead of edited. Edited November 20, 2020 by Mr Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 20, 2020 Author #1348 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: ie i write not for my ego but for the pleasure Hi Walker Isn't pleasure a quality of ego? I don't want this thread to turn into a burn session we have been doing well in discussion because you are showing they why you think the way you do, just look at how much material we have exchanged. We are talking this isn't a theater or podcast and if you address some of the questions effectively then your audience will have a better understanding of the "Science of Walker". Yes I do tease you when you relapse into your childhood to adult stories which we are all aware of. I started this thread for you so we could talk about the science behind your claims and perspectives and everyone has been fairly civil for the most parts and do have fun and the mods haven't had to step in with warning so as far as I can tell we are doing good so let's continue anew. Clones, Aliens and the definition of god I do wonder, you have just recently stated that you have written a story about a peanut, family history,Dungens and Dragons, etal and yet one of the things I have been waiting for is to relate word for word a conversation with your alien or recorded it's message why is it that you do not have this someone wrote the bible and the Koran and their gods said something or commanded something? You god/alien hasn't said anything all we have it your interpretation of something that you have not clearly described and ask that we just say amen brother, it's not like that here so I want to know what part of you has that need to be filled and why. jmccr8 Edited November 20, 2020 by jmccr8 not sure but did it anyway 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted November 20, 2020 #1349 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Mr Walker said: A perception of ridicule is often a defence mechanism against an unwanted truth Ie deflection by ridicule Also frequently a response to encountering foolishness. - ETA, on a point arising: Quote I gave two slightly difernt recollections of an event from 40 years ago No one now knows which was more accurate, One of the "recollections" was physically impossible. We accepted the other one. Edited November 20, 2020 by eight bits 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 20, 2020 #1350 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, eight bits said: Also frequently a response to encountering foolishness. - ETA, on a point arising: One of the "recollections" was physically impossible. We accepted the other one. No it was not physically impossible if you are referring to the whale breaching A whale breaches by putting part of its body out of the water From my recollection the baby whale breached / jumped over the ring surrounding the pontoon but i was observing from above. It is possible divers had collapsed or sunk the ring a little to help the whale escape The idea tha t a whale, especially a young one cant breach and jump like that tis wrong ive seen them do it myself There are also a few recorded cases of them jumping into similar pens To breach a whale doesn't need to have much speed or room look at some of the videos on this site Humpback whales can jump half way out of the water from a standing start, just with the power of their tails https://oceanconservancy.org/blog/2020/04/01/humpback-whales-breach/ Edited November 20, 2020 by Mr Walker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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