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MinervaSC

Hello,

After years of research into the Mystery of Renne-Le-Chateau I finally made the trip. Its a magical place full of wonder, but is there anything in this mystery?

I made a short set of talks about my experience...

However what is the view of people on here? Hoax? or Something else?

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Piney
13 minutes ago, MinervaSC said:

 Hoax? 

:yes: Yup! 

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third_eye

Just focus on the history of the area 

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jaylemurph
5 hours ago, Piney said:

:yes: Yup! 

...just according to the people who fabricated it, confessed to it, and explained how they did it. 

Not to the nitwits and Dan Brown followers who couldn’t be bothered to find any of the above out.

—Jaylemurph 

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Piney
55 minutes ago, jaylemurph said:

Not to the nitwits and Dan Brown followers who couldn’t be bothered to find any of the above out.

Then to somehow think that the matricidal, patricidal, siblingocidal, incestuous, backstabbing, murderous Merovingians are somehow a "holy" bloodline is just plain silly. :yes:

Of course the Carolingians weren't much better......

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Captain Risky
On 11/8/2019 at 12:51 AM, MinervaSC said:

Hello,

After years of research into the Mystery of Renne-Le-Chateau I finally made the trip. Its a magical place full of wonder, but is there anything in this mystery?

I made a short set of talks about my experience...

However what is the view of people on here? Hoax? or Something else?

Ive done a bit of reading on this and its fascinating. Did you go to the church were the ancient documents were found and the library that the priest built ? Man I'm jealous.  

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Kenemet
On 11/7/2019 at 8:51 AM, MinervaSC said:

Hello,

After years of research into the Mystery of Renne-Le-Chateau I finally made the trip. Its a magical place full of wonder, but is there anything in this mystery?

I made a short set of talks about my experience...

However what is the view of people on here? Hoax? or Something else?

a) not everyone can sit down and watch 45 minutes and more of videos.  What's the summary?

b) What experience and education do you have that speaks to your qualifications on this topic (native French speaker? librarian?  art historian?  etc...?)

(nb: I'm not being tacky; I'm being curious.)

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MinervaSC

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14 hours ago, Kenemet said:

a) not everyone can sit down and watch 45 minutes and more of videos.  What's the summary?

b) What experience and education do you have that speaks to your qualifications on this topic (native French speaker? librarian?  art historian?  etc...?)

(nb: I'm not being tacky; I'm being curious.)

I have been studying the subject for many years, and feel its one I know pretty well. I am neither a librarian, or art historian, neither do I think that would help. I am a freemason and like many of things assosited with this subject the joint symbolsm is important. If you do not have 45mins to watch a video, then its probably not the topic for you, as its now streached so wide, it takes a long time to properly understand. I came on here for opinions, not to set my own agenda, I am interested in what people think about this subject...

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Kenemet
13 minutes ago, MinervaSC said:

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I have been studying the subject for many years, and feel its one I know pretty well. I am neither a librarian, or art historian, neither do I think that would help. I am a freemason and like many of things assosited with this subject the joint symbolsm is important. If you do not have 45mins to watch a video, then its probably not the topic for you, as its now streached so wide, it takes a long time to properly understand. I came on here for opinions, not to set my own agenda, I am interested in what people think about this subject...

I think you may be underestimating the audience here.  We have several scholars and historians (as in: had papers published in journals about the topic) along with people who have worked archaeological digs, cultural specialists, and teachers as well as engineers... and a host of others who are curious about many things.  Two of our members have published two books that involved a lot of detailed historical research (and some mind-bogglingly deep dives into documents relating to that era.) So I doubt that anyone would fail to understand.  The Chateau has come up more than once in reference to a lot of things (as a search of the board can show you.)

But, no... I don't have time to watch a 45 minute video since I'm doing class preparation this weekend. 

...and I'm not sure why you think that being a librarian or historian would not be helpful in looking at evidence of the Chateau.  What's your reasoning for this?

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jaylemurph
22 minutes ago, MinervaSC said:

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I have been studying the subject for many years, and feel its one I know pretty well. I am neither a librarian, or art historian, neither do I think that would help. I am a freemason and like many of things assosited with this subject the joint symbolsm is important. If you do not have 45mins to watch a video, then its probably not the topic for you, as its now streached so wide, it takes a long time to properly understand. I came on here for opinions, not to set my own agenda, I am interested in what people think about this subject...

By “stretched so wide” do you mean “the perpetrators confessed and showed how they did it before their jail time”?

Because — it seems to me — you have a hard row to hoe selling this as a “mystery” if the people who did it don’t think it’s a mystery.

—Jaylemurph 

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Sir Wearer of Hats

Once we strip the Prior of Scion fiddligump from the story there are a few odd quirks of RLC that do bare asking more about. Like why is there a grotesque in a church?

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jaylemurph
29 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Once we strip the Prior of Scion fiddligump from the story there are a few odd quirks of RLC that do bare asking more about. Like why is there a grotesque in a church?

Because somebody paid someone to put it there. And the cheating priest who stole tens of thousands of francs from the local peasants had money to burn...

—Jaylemurph 

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Kenemet
3 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Once we strip the Prior of Scion fiddligump from the story there are a few odd quirks of RLC that do bare asking more about. Like why is there a grotesque in a church?

The abbe had some very odd tastes (for those not familiar with it, here's one page about it: https://www.renneslechateau.nl/2009/01/27/asmodeus-or-devil/)

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jmccr8
24 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

The abbe had some very odd tastes (for those not familiar with it, here's one page about it: https://www.renneslechateau.nl/2009/01/27/asmodeus-or-devil/)

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Hi Kenemet

Not to many people know this but before it became a church I was running an after-hour joint there.:whistle:

jmccr8

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Windowpane

The one really awful result of all this nonsense is that it's wrecked what would otherwise have been a perfectly delightful mediaeval village.

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Sir Wearer of Hats

This is Rene Le Chat, he is annoyed no one is talking about him.

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jaylemurph

Look at that and tell me cats are the living embodiment of evil! Hounds preserve us!

—Jaylemurph 

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Kenemet

Continuing on with the statue, it blends in with the ...whatever it's sitting against but it was made at a different time and by a different artist... you can see that in the differences in the carving technique.  The person(s) who did the crest know how to carve underneath and raise detail.  The "devil" on the other hand features rather crudely positioned robes and no real sense that this is cloth.  The limb proportions are a bit off, too.

So at a guess, the carver would be someone local who was "professional" but who was not good enough to be one of the master sculptors of Europe.  

Compare to this one.  The Renne le Chateau one looks very primitive.

See the source image

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Windowpane
3 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Continuing on with the statue, it blends in with the ...whatever it's sitting against but it was made at a different time and by a different artist... you can see that in the differences in the carving technique.  The person(s) who did the crest know how to carve underneath and raise detail.  The "devil" on the other hand features rather crudely positioned robes and no real sense that this is cloth.  The limb proportions are a bit off, too.

So at a guess, the carver would be someone local who was "professional" but who was not good enough to be one of the master sculptors of Europe.  

 

 

You're right.  It was the work of a sculptor from Toulouse called Giscard, having been commissioned in 1896 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bérenger_Saunière).

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Kenemet
10 hours ago, Windowpane said:

You're right.  It was the work of a sculptor from Toulouse called Giscard, having been commissioned in 1896 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bérenger_Saunière).

Interesting.  The other works I see from Giscard (in the chapel) look a bit more "polished" (better proportions, better design of drapes, etc.)  It's probably the angle of the photo.

Thanks for the link.  I thought I remembered something about a catalog.

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Piney
9 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Interesting.  The other works I see from Giscard (in the chapel) look a bit more "polished" (better proportions, better design of drapes, etc.)  It's probably the angle of the photo.

Thanks for the link.  I thought I remembered something about a catalog.

Somebody broke the head off of the devil looking for treasure, then stole it and a hack repaired it. The original head was suppose to be more detailed. But they didn't have a photo or picture to work from. 

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Kenemet
2 minutes ago, Piney said:

Somebody broke the head off of the devil looking for treasure, then stole it and a hack repaired it. The original head was suppose to be more detailed. But they didn't have a photo or picture to work from. 

It wasn't so much the head as the other features (though the eyes are weirdly aimed on the replacement.)  The feet look well carved but the legs appear to be different lengths.  Probably just the angle.

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