The Meidum Pyramid Mystery

[Kenemet]

On 12/26/2019 at 3:02 PM, nexilb said:

(Pyramids are built like Clocks to Mark the Ages or an, Specific Age)

That doesn't work.

Pyramids weren't built at the times you're suggesting.  Te first true Egyptian pyramids were built around 50 years before the Great Pyramid, and pyramids were built thereafter for about a thousand years.  There was a pause and then a revival in Egypt (and we must also include the Nubian pyramids in the later group).  There's a overlap in times (if you consider global cultures) and in many times pyramids are being built by cultures with no contact with each other.

[jaylemurph]

18 hours ago, ShadowSot said:

They referenced it in an episode I believe. 

It's visible in a few episodes of Doctor Who (including his weird shower scene). In the 90s, it was sort-of jokingly referred to in some novels as a prisoner's tattoo. Seems like the new series -- The Doctor's Wife, I think -- makes reference to it, too.

--Jaylemurph

[Hanslune]

A paper on some lesser known graffiti at Meidum (Maidum) pyramid

https://www.academia.edu/4707747/Additions_to_Maidum_graffiti?email_work_card=view-paper

 

...and unrelated amusement:

 

 

[nexilb]

On 12/31/2019 at 11:44 AM, Hanslune said:

...and unrelated amusement:

 

 

 

On 11/12/2019 at 5:28 PM, Kenemet said:

We should also place this in time (before we get into a huge misunderstanding)

DJOSER'S PYRAMID (step pyramid, first one in the world)

Sekhemkhet 2648-2640 BC

SNEFERU'S PYRAMIDS (son of Djoser) 2686 – 2667 BC

1.  Medium pyramid (this one - second true pyramid)
2. Bent pyramid (built after Medium and changed partway through, third true pyramid)
3. Red pyramid (complete pyramid, first stable true pyramid)

GIZA: 

1. Khufu's pyramid (great pyramid) plus satellite pyramids 2575-2566 BC
2. Khafre's pyramid plus satellite pyramids 2558–2532 BC
3. Menkaure's pyramid plus satellite pyramids 2532-2503 BC

DJEFRE'S PYRAMID

(etcetera)

https://discoveringegypt.com/pyramids-temples-of-egypt/pyramids-of-giza/

(Big Misunderstanding with History)

(Written Pyramid Languages, may of Resembled the Voynich Manuscript, which just denote disturbances in "uinfied fields", of which there are none in this creation natively................so it goes to follow, biblical related activities, various mass burials at certain pyramids, for sin/pleausre, or various...................pyramid walls are not all the same distance in depth from each other, especially ones with carved figures, meaning, whatever was there was re-carved over and over and over, if anything at all was there originally)

1887 Coral Castle Inscribed Date to 2061 Halley's Comet

GENESIS 47:28 And Jacob lived in the land of Egypt seventeen years: so the whole age of Jacob was an hundred forty and seven years.

About 174 Years, should be the Echo Range for those Pyramids.  Sure they were not build in the time of Jacob (Great Southern Comet of 1887 to Halley's Comet 2061)

2500 B.C. (Giza Pyramid Alignment) to 2326 B.C. (Deluge)

Nostradamus Talks about an Antichrist at "twenty-five" Years, we can take that statement at "2500 B.C." ........... and this is the "ECHO RESONANCE" (energies that disturbed the original dates of creation around 10,000 B.C.) for those pyramids in view, to the "Deluge/Flood" of that Day.  (The First Parallel for the Exodus of Moses).

(Maybe Burial Sites in 52 Solar Year increments relative to that pyramid, or, relative to the "son of man" or other personality taking wives, for their sin/pleasure)

.................

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(Big Misunderstanding with History)

Various mythologies especially dealing with, "dynasties" or the "family", is their version of history for the "son of man in view", then they add personalities to that (if not polygamy, then father to son, in that geographic region)  ....................... once they committed the sin of disavowing the "generations without sin"..................it was easy to go on with god, and disavow the bible, or whatever testimony went forth.  Since they have "sin/pleasure", they try to remedy that uncleanness with some association to the stars or etc. or that is usually the tipping point.

(joseph had a dispute with his sons .............. there was, Jacob's brothers, and they fell into sin, then ........... so we see figures like that of daniel's prophecy around that time from "Joseph's Enslavement to Exodus of Moses" (2500 to 1400 B.C.) ............... until the time of Daniel's Prophecy in Babylon, so that pyramid of "Medium resembles a babylonian style pyramid", which was about 1000 B.C. 1 A.D.................when the hebrews became slaves again, and then they became rulers over babylon and returned to isreal.

Edited January 2, 2020 by nexilb

[jaylemurph]

Your biggest misunderstanding of history is that you think you know some. 

—Jaylemurph

[Hanslune]

56 minutes ago, nexilb said:

Deleted rambling nonsense

A truly marvelous dog's breakfast of pointless phrases - Nexilb is there any point to any of this?

[Thanos5150]

On 11/18/2019 at 2:49 PM, Thanos5150 said:

"Another significant point raised by the Italian architects was the unusual proximity of the satellite pyramid to the main pyramid of less than 5 m. Again I share their opinion when they dated the satellite pyramid’s construction to before the so-called ‘E3’ stage of the main pyramid’s construction, that is to say shortly after or during one of the first two stages which are known as ‘E1’ and ‘E2’".

 

A few other proximity anomalies to consider is the pyramid complex enclosure wall unusually intersects with mastaba 17, as if mastaba 17 also were already there:

 

I don't have the time to get into it, but there are also some curious features about the peribolous tomb the least of which it being inside the enclosure wall.

 

Also to consider is why is mastaba 17 is built so close as to intrude into the pyramid complex and yet the other substantial mastabas are some distance away in their own field: 

 

[Saru]

@nexilb Back on topic please - your posts seem to have little to do with the topic and would be better suited to a blog.

[Harte]

How can you tell?

Harte

[Piney]

23 minutes ago, Harte said:

Harte

Your new avatar is freaking me out.......

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

On 12/28/2019 at 7:19 PM, ShadowSot said:

I've got a hangover, suddenly find myself in Brazil, and married. And still can't make sense of it. 

Ohh there you are Husband!

turns out we’re also registered nationals of the great nation of Lichtenstein.

[Harte]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

Your new avatar is freaking me out.......

Just an update.

Harte

[jaylemurph]

Get ready, folks. Blixen’s nethers appear to hover over our collective bowls, ready deliver the next deluge of feculent matter. 

—Jaylemurph 

[nexilb]

(Back to Topic --- Medium Mystery --- mastaba 17 is built so close as to intrude into the pyramid complex --- because Pyramids are Clocks)

"Meidum" Pyramid, like most, follow a linear order going up/down the Nile River.  So What Transition is this Pyramid marking....TWO SUNS (an ignited planet jupiter) ...............or a pole shift for this earth.

me.me/i/abu-ruwash-altered-pyramid-alignment-is-intentional-to-show-the-16966172

 

Maybe the "Meidum" Pyramid's alignment is not apparent because certain events involving the earth have not taken place...............it has babylonian features, not to mention design and alignment features not traditionally present, with other pyramids.................it is also further down the nile river.

(You can say it aligns to the Taurus Constellation and marked the end of that age with the Exodus, or perhaps .................. there are so many prophecy involving the "RETURN OF THE GODS" and the Pleiades, that we have not seen a pole shift or alignment shift due to the disturbance of the earth as of yet, that moves us out of thegeneral alignments with orion's belt)

Edited January 3, 2020 by nexilb

[Kenemet]

On 1/1/2020 at 7:31 PM, nexilb said:

(Big Misunderstanding with History)

(Written Pyramid Languages, may of Resembled the Voynich Manuscript, (etc))

1887 Coral Castle Inscribed Date to 2061 Halley's Comet (etc)

No, the written language of the pyramid builders is not similar to the 15th/16th century Voynich manuscript... not even Maya hieroglyphs.

Coral Castle, built in 1936, does not and did not encode Halley's comet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle#The_Castle

And the religions of the rest of the world don't align much with Christianity.

 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

1 hour ago, Kenemet said:

And the religions of the rest of the world don't align much with Christianity.

 

Apart from the bits Christianity stole from other religions.

[Thanos5150]

On 11/12/2019 at 9:48 PM, Thanos5150 said:

Pyramid at Meidum- A New Perspective

The Mastabas of Meidum- A New Perspective

I believe Meidum as we see it today is as it was originally intended and later converted to a pyramid. The notion of there being phases "E1, E2, and E3" are the invention of Borchardt in which Petrie, one of the first excavators of the site, did not even think there was such a thing as an "E2" layer and to him all of what was constructed before E3 was part of one construction phase with the latter, the pyramid conversion, being another (refer HERE for diagrams). 

Meidum was built using accretion layers, the 3rd Dynasty way, with the outermost layer being finished in the same manner casing stones are-installed rough and shaved flat in situ. There is no reasonable explanation for it to have been done this way only to have been covered by an outer pyramid layer. Also, there is a layer of casing stones not part of the outer collapsed pyramid layer still in situ just a few feet from the tower core:

And oddly enough a second casing stone layer several feet from first that is also not part of the outer collapsed pyramid layer:

This is truly senseless if the tower core was not meant to be the original finished structure. 

Sneferu did not use the accretion method for either the BP or RP and despite numerous graffiti found at the Medium site related to the construction of the outer layer, not one mentions Sneferu and the relation to him is by later inference from the 18th Dynasty and not contemporary. 

The other component of this site are the mastabas mentioned above which feature palace facade architecture which was not used in the 4th Dynasty but rather was abandoned in the early 3rd Dynasty. There is much evidence the tower core was not fully finished and as I argue these mastabas were left from this time as well only to be claimed later in the 4th or possibly as i argue even the 5th Dynasty.  Again:
The Mastabas of Meidum- A New Perspective;

The Palermo stone credits Khasekhemwy, the last pharoah of the 2nd Dynasty, with constructing an as yet unidentified stone building named "Men-Netjeret" which I am left to wonder if this building may in fact have been the tower core at Meidum in which the palace facade mastabas would fit in quite well as compared to the 4th Dynasty. We are also left with mastaba 17 at Meidum which in context fits in with the early 3rd Dynasty (or earlier) mastabas at Beit Khallaf and again not the 4th Dynasty. I believe it is possible the Meidum complex was begun and worked on from the end of the 2nd through 3rd Dynasty and at some point later, likely the 4th Dynasty, the true pyramid conversion layer was added.     

M17: Mastaba of unknown:

M17 is made of rough cut stones and rubble with a mud brick exterior. The subterranean chamber is well cut limestone and contains a large granite sarcophagus. Given its immense size, the largest of the mastabas at Meidum, and the fact it is unattributed, the reason it is claimed to be "not finished", some Egyptologists have posited this may have been the original intended tomb of Snefru who for some reason later changed his mind and built 3 pyramids as tombs instead. Yeah. Others, however, believe it was a tomb for one of his unknown sons that for whatever reason was never buried there. Regardless, this mastaba is otherwise completely anonymous.

Again, it is interesting to note not only the unusual proximity of mastaba 17 to the pyramid, but also that it encroaches on the enclosure wall and intersects the pavement as if they were built to conform to an already existing mastaba 17:

Though it is accepted the exterior of the mastaba was made using waste from construction of the outer pyramid layer the rub is that the interior chamber, far superior in craftsmanship to the pyramid of Meidum itself and all other great mastabas of the area, according to Wainwright (Meydum and Memphis 1910):

"There was a curious feature about this mastaba in that the chamber was built, and the passage blocked with its plug stones, before the mastaba was heaped up, as there never had been a communication between the chamber and the outside....

It therefore looks as if the owner had died early in its construction, and the piling up of his great mastaba had been the first duty of the pyramid builders. As the mastaba is placed as close as possible to the enclosure of the pyramid it was evidently of great importance". 

So what Wainwright is saying is that the chamber was built independent of the mastaba itself and plugged up at its entrance and only at some point later, a time when the outer layer of the pyramid was added, was the mastaba constructed over the top of it. And it was after that it appears the enclosure wall and pavement were built to conform to the finished mastaba 17.

We are left with more to consider. In If Pyramids are not Tombs, then where are the Pharaohs? I ponder the question, as the title says, that given as I accept pyramids were not built as the tomb of the king then where are they buried? Perhaps Meidum and mastaba 17 provides us with clues. 

There was never a sarcophagus inside the pyramid of Meidum but there was a massive one in mastaba 17-the finest made up to that time and the first of its kind that many similar were to follow:

Again, keep in mind that this is in the older chamber core that was built independent of the mastaba itself and as I suggest contemporary with the construction of the original pyramid tower core. And we also note again that the chamber is far superior in craftsmanship to the pyramid interior itself, the former certainly befitting of a king so much so that some early Egyptologists suggested that mastaba 17 was the actual burial place of Sneferu. This could not be the answer, however, as given that the chamber core was sealed up before the mastaba was even built, a time when Sneferu was supposedly still working on the Red and Bent pyramids, not to mention converting the Meidum tower core to a true pyramid, in which mastaba 17 was built from this detritus, it goes without saying this could not be the tomb of Sneferu. All things considered it seems clear whoever it was meant for was before the death of Sneferu, perhaps well before, which may have in fact have been for not only a previous pharaoh, but most likely the builder of the original tower core of Medium. 

So at Medium, it is possible therefore, that we have evidence of a pyrmaid not built as a tomb with the actual tomb of its builder right next to it. 

As an aside, something else to consider for future reference as it appears they were contemporary with the tower core and chamber core, is that just a few hundred yards away from the pyramid are three large stone lined tombs Mackay (Petrie expedition) called the "Great Western Tombs". These tombs of near identical design were cut into the bedrock and lined with large limestone blocks with their passages plugged like mastaba 17. Interestingly there were no superstructures built above them, i.e. no mastabas.

In support of all this is graffiti found on fallen blocks of the pyramid conversion layer which clearly depict a stepped pyramid which in context could only be the Meidum tower core:

HERE plate VI 1:6. 

They show exactly what I have been saying existed prior to the pyramid conversion which was large platform with the tower core built on top. Compare:

I believe it is the "Phase E2" casing as pictured above that was the outer surface of the lowest platform depicted on the Meidum graffiti. Regardless, it goes without saying that the only way the builders of the outer pyramid layer would show depictions of the tower core is if it was already there....

 

Worth noting again as well, 

"Another significant point raised by the Italian architects was the unusual proximity of the satellite pyramid to the main pyramid of less than 5 m. Again I share their opinion when they dated the satellite pyramid’s construction to before the so-called ‘E3’ stage of the main pyramid’s construction, that is to say shortly after or during one of the first two stages which are known as ‘E1’ and ‘E2’".

Source

Meaning that the satellite pyramid was built before the outer true pyramid and was likely contemporary with, or built at some point in between its construction and that of the tower core and M17 chamber core. 

When taken as a whole there is much to consider regarding the true age of Meidum all of which speaks to an earlier origin than Sneferu and the 4th Dynasty. It appears that two building programs separated in time can be clearly demarcated in which the tower core is but a part which the earliest which would also include at the least the "chamber core" tomb of M17, mastabas M16 and M6, satellite pyramid (?), and the Great Western mastabas. All told I believe this original program dates to the end of the 2nd Dynasty or the 3rd Dynasty.   

Lee Anderson 

Edited March 25, 2020 by Thanos5150

[BorizBadinov]

On 1/1/2020 at 7:52 PM, Thanos5150 said:

Also to consider is why is mastaba 17 is built so close as to intrude into the pyramid complex and yet the other substantial mastabas are some distance away in their own field: 

Could it be that the interior of mastaba 17 was in place before the wall was placed but not esthetically matching the style of the rest of the complex? Perhaps "repurposed" later by placing another exterior on it more in line with the style of the pyramid structure? That so doing caused the new encasement to intersect with the surrounding wall?

Maybe like having an old car on cinderblocks in the front yard of a new house? Just curious. 

[Thanos5150]

2 hours ago, BorizBadinov said:

Could it be that the interior of mastaba 17 was in place before the wall was placed but not esthetically matching the style of the rest of the complex? Perhaps "repurposed" later by placing another exterior on it more in line with the style of the pyramid structure? That so doing caused the new encasement to intersect with the surrounding wall?

Maybe like having an old car on cinderblocks in the front yard of a new house? Just curious. 

It was definitely there before the wall and pavement, but yeah, something like that where this older structure was built over to conform to the "modern" mastaba scheme of the day. 

[BorizBadinov]

23 hours ago, Thanos5150 said:

It was definitely there before the wall and pavement, but yeah, something like that where this older structure was built over to conform to the "modern" mastaba scheme of the day. 

What I was wondering really was if the outside of the original structure inside the mastaba facade might possibly contain inscriptions for the original owner? 

Of course that would require excavation which will never happen but it might be potentially enlightening. 

[M. Williams]

It's fairly obvious at least one accretion was stripped away.

[Assimilatedtohumanborg]

@ post #1!

About that Meidum Pyramid!

I once wanted to write a Book about Pyramid´s but as destiny didn´t wanted me to accomplish that, it didn´t become to be and yet, while i was working on my script, making drawings about those Pyramid´s in 3 or 4-D, showing the inside of it and so on. Then i´ve got so really tired due to of over working myself so before i went to sleep, i asked the question loud, "What is the Pyramid"? (That was in around 1979!)

In My dream´s i saw that Maiden Pyramid the way it look´s today but i saw two of them close to each other, like Pole´s a Plus pole + and a Minus Pole - ! And then a voice told me, that Pyramid´s are Battery´s!

 

That started to make suddenly more sense then to be used as Burial site´s.

On another occasion, I´ve build for someone a Bristol Board Cardboard Pyramid with some drawer´s in it and the exact copy of the cheop´s Pyramid, where the sarcophagus´s located because it is NOT centered in the Pyramid. I then took a Quartz crystal and placed it into that Basket of a replica sarcophagus into that Pyramid model which was only about 12 Inches in size but took me more than 50 hour´s to build. 20 Minutes later i took out that small quartz crystal and placed it onto my third eye, to extract that energy for meditation purposes only but it didn´t come that far because within 5 second´s it´s radiation that it emitted was so strong that i immediately got one Hell of a Migraine Headache, i´ve Never ever got any so fast and so strong before!! So i immediately interrupted that and dropped that Mission about it.

As one can see, that when one rebuild´s such a Plan of a Pyramid, one may get even more Answer´s to it then just to look at it and try to speculate about it.

 

[jaylemurph]

I think that with the bare minimum of effort in searching, you can find multiple explanations of how pyramids do not function, physically, as batteries.

--Jaylemurph

[Windowpane]

17 minutes ago, Assimilatedtohumanborg said:

...

i immediately got one Hell of a Migraine Headache, i´ve Never ever got any so fast and so strong before ...

I would suggest a couple of Paracetamol ...

Followed by a close examination of this volume.

 

[Assimilatedtohumanborg]

15 minutes ago, Windowpane said:

I would suggest a couple of Paracetamol ...

Followed by a close examination of this volume.

 

Or to That here may be??