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CNN just reported that more resignations at the DOJ may be coming. If so, then President Trump may face a new enemy, called credibility.

Barr needs to resign immediately. He has become like Nagini. 

 

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On 2/11/2020 at 10:08 PM, hacktorp said:

Do you think he might be accused of unfairly targeting only those subordinates who happened to stab him in the back?

That could be an impeachable offense, I bet.

No more so then Comey. Or McCabe. 

They're Frederal employees in the Executive Branch. Trump can fire anyone under him at any time. 

McCabe sued for his position to be reinstated. Doesnt look its going to happen though.

I dont believe Sondland, or Vindman, count as whistleblowers... so that wont protect them.

Is there a Federal reprisal law? I'm not sure. If there is, then they'll have a case. Probably take till after the election to sort it out though.

EDIT:

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/workplace-retaliation-employee-rights-30217.html

Appear the retaliation laws seem to deal with thosevwhonfiled complaints. There's also a bit on some states even covering other things. Which implies the Federal law doesn't cover other things... like testifying against your boss in court and then being fired when he's not convicted.

These guys doubtless grabbed several lawyers and figured they were screwed, and so left. They rolled the dice, and crapped out at the end.

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8 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

CNN just reported that more resignations at the DOJ may be coming. If so, then President Trump may face a new enemy, called credibility.

Barr needs to resign immediately. He has become like Nagini. 

 

Hey Republican lawyers!!

New openings in the DOJ. Just need to do your job and keep your head down. Pays well. Good hours. Assigned parking.

I believe most of these guys were on the Stone investigation team for Mueller. So, most likely are career Democrats. Nice for them to quit so some Republicans can take their spots.

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49 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Hey Republican lawyers!!

New openings in the DOJ. Just need to do your job and keep your head down. Pays well. Good hours. Assigned parking.

I believe most of these guys were on the Stone investigation team for Mueller. So, most likely are career Democrats. Nice for them to quit so some Republicans can take their spots.

The DOJ isn’t about “party.” That’s just another lie told by this cult leader to his dumb azz followers, They can’t ignore the law. They’re just doing their jobs.

Let the President pardon Stone. What’s he afraid of? That’s his constitutional remedy, but Trump doesn’t have the balls to use it, because he’s a coward.

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7 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

The DOJ isn’t about “party.” That’s just another lie told by this cult leader to his dumb azz followers, They can’t ignore the law. They’re just doing their jobs.

Then you wont mind the Trump appointed leadership remaining on if a Democrat wins the election?

Point is people can do their job, AND be bias in doing it. I think the mess the FBI created with Stozk and the FISA abuses, show that's true.

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5 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Then you wont mind the Trump appointed leadership remaining on if a Democrat wins the election?

Point is people can do their job, AND be bias in doing it. I think the mess the FBI created with Stozk and the FISA abuses, show that's true.

“Let the President pardon Stone. What’s he afraid of? That’s his constitutional remedy, but Trump doesn’t have the balls to use it, because he’s a coward.”

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9 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Hey Republican lawyers!!

New openings in the DOJ. Just need to do your job and keep your head down. Pays well. Good hours. Assigned parking.

I believe most of these guys were on the Stone investigation team for Mueller. So, most likely are career Democrats. Nice for them to quit so some Republicans can take their spots.

Mueller, Jessie Liu, and the bulk of the four prosecutors are Republican.  Two even clerked/served for Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens and have accomplishments for several pro-conservative cases.

Aaron Zelinsky, Adam Jed, Michael Marando and Jonathan Kravis are their names if you want to look them up and their accomplishments.

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28 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

“Let the President pardon Stone. What’s he afraid of? That’s his constitutional remedy, but Trump doesn’t have the balls to use it, because he’s a coward.”

Meh... We'll have to wait and see.

President Obama pardoned a bunch of people on his last day, including Bradley (Chelsea) Manning. Arguably the worst military leaker ever. 

Was Obama a gutless coward for doing so on his last day?

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11 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Mueller, Jessie Liu, and the bulk of the four prosecutors are Republican.  Two even clerked/served for Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens and have accomplishments for several pro-conservative cases.

Aaron Zelinsky, Adam Jed, Michael Marando and Jonathan Kravis are their names if you want to look them up and their accomplishments.

Zelinsky is on record as saying he's a Democrat. Jed shows in voting registration as being a Democrat.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/21/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trumps-claims-about-Mueller/

Kravis was an Obama White House counsel, so likely is Democrat. 

Marando, I didnt immediately find anything, but him being Democrat fits with the other three.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/us/politics/roger-stone-federal-prosecutors.html

 

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2 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Zelinsky is on record as saying he's a Democrat. Jed shows in voting registration as being a Democrat.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/21/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trumps-claims-about-Mueller/

Kravis was an Obama White House counsel, so likely is Democrat. 

Marando, I didnt immediately find anything, but him being Democrat fits with the other three.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/11/us/politics/roger-stone-federal-prosecutors.html

 

Hah, perhaps I should have been the one to dig deeper.

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1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Hah, perhaps I should have been the one to dig deeper.

Plus, the lead jury foreman is a partisan hack who the defense tried to have removed, but Leftist, activist Judge Amy Berman Jackson refused.  This entire Stone case is yet another railroad job done by Trump-hating bureaucrats on both sides and may well get thrown out before all is said and done.  Amy Berman Jackson has no business being a judge and should face charges herself.  The four prosecutors did NOT resign in protest, either...they cut and ran when Jessie Liu departed, because she protected them.

REVEALED: Roger Stone jury foreman is a failed Democrat candidate who mocked his arrest, labeled Trump supporters racist and posed with ex-DNC chair Donna Brazile

7:58 AM · Feb 13, 2020·Twitter Web App
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3 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Plus, the lead jury foreman is a partisan hack who the defense tried to have removed, but Leftist, activist Judge Amy Berman Jackson refused.  This entire Stone case is yet another railroad job done by Trump-hating bureaucrats on both sides and may well get thrown out before all is said and done.  Amy Berman Jackson has no business being a judge and should face charges herself.  The four prosecutors did NOT resign in protest, either...they cut and ran when Jessie Liu departed, because she protected them.

REVEALED: Roger Stone jury foreman is a failed Democrat candidate who mocked his arrest, labeled Trump supporters racist and posed with ex-DNC chair Donna Brazile

7:58 AM · Feb 13, 2020·Twitter Web App

Switch party affiliations and this would be huge.  As it now stands?  Nothing burger.  

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National Review’s Top Troll Demands Roger Stone Die in Prison

"Crimes committed by politically powerful people in the service of politically powerful people corrupt our system of government and undermine faith in our institutions. They should be punished much more harshly than, say, selling a couple of grams of cocaine."

But it's always the pro-Trump fraternity who are hate-filled and vindictive isn't it. :mellow:

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10 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Plus, the lead jury foreman is a partisan hack who the defense tried to have removed, but Leftist, activist Judge Amy Berman Jackson refused.  This entire Stone case is yet another railroad job done by Trump-hating bureaucrats on both sides and may well get thrown out before all is said and done.  Amy Berman Jackson has no business being a judge and should face charges herself.  The four prosecutors did NOT resign in protest, either...they cut and ran when Jessie Liu departed, because she protected them.

REVEALED: Roger Stone jury foreman is a failed Democrat candidate who mocked his arrest, labeled Trump supporters racist and posed with ex-DNC chair Donna Brazile

7:58 AM · Feb 13, 2020·Twitter Web App

Yes, she actually tweeted on the subject while the case was underway? Surely that's contempt of court right there. Do you think if it had been a member of the pro-Trump fraternity that had done that, respected liberal commentators would be calling for her to be locked up for life? :mellow: 

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22 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

National Review’s Top Troll Demands Roger Stone Die in Prison

"Crimes committed by politically powerful people in the service of politically powerful people corrupt our system of government and undermine faith in our institutions. They should be punished much more harshly than, say, selling a couple of grams of cocaine."

But it's always the pro-Trump fraternity who are hate-filled and vindictive isn't it. :mellow:

Comment aimed at Nation Review...

I'm not altogether sure Mr Stone is "politically powerful". From what I read he ran what he did out of a tiny office, with not even a secretary, and out of his home. 

Wasnt what he lied about to Congress was that he was politically connected, and connected to Wikileaks? Apparently he lied about his Wikileaks connection, but even then, i dont believe Corsi has ever been shown to have done anything but email Stone with Wikileaks supposition.

Theres no doubt he WANTED to be a top echelon politician, but he always sucked at whatever he did, and changed projects, employers, and who he supported just about every year.

His Wikipedia entry reads as a long list of coulda/shoulda, but failed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Stone#Trial_and_conviction

 

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On 2/13/2020 at 12:06 PM, Raptor Witness said:

“Let the President pardon Stone. What’s he afraid of? That’s his constitutional remedy, but Trump doesn’t have the balls to use it, because he’s a coward.”

Well the coward just commuted Roger Stone's sentence. :devil:

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Everyone knew this was going to happen.  If he doesn't use his political power to pardon those that obstruct investigations into his crimes or otherwise shield him (and punish those that help) then people would stop doing it.

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6 hours ago, Gromdor said:

If he doesn't use his political power to pardon those that obstruct investigations into his crimes or otherwise shield him (and punish those that help) then people would stop doing it.

Maybe it is frustration on his part.  These are very tough times for the President.

When he told covid-19 to disappear, it didn't.

When he told the economy to skyrocket again, it didn't.

When he told China he was going to put tariffs on them, they said go ahead.  Our balance of trade is running about the same as it has been since 2012, with 2018 being highest ever.

When we agreed to a trade deal, to settle our dispute with China, it got us back to the starting point

When we invited them to join some kind of trilateral arms control negotiation they said Nah.

When the greatest builder that has ever been President put his mind to building a wall, he got 3 new miles built in 4 years.

When he told them he had done more for them than any president, maybe even Lincoln, there were still BLM protests and riots. 

His former truest best buddy Kim told him "You are wasting my time ," and dumped him. Ouch!

The half dozen countries taking quick strong action and being successful  at fighting covid-19 are governed by women.  Burn!

He is spending more time firing people to keep Rudy out of trouble than Rudy is doing for him.

Even his own appointees to the Supreme Court follow the Constitution.   He is heartbroken by the injustice of that.

On the other hand  he likes getting results simply by signing a piece of paper.  Especially if somebody does the hard part of writing it.

 

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14 hours ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Well the coward just commuted Roger Stone's sentence. :devil:

Only because Stone was about to spill some dirt on Trump.  Some good grime, I betcha, too.

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Sen. Lindsey Graham said he will call Robert Mueller to testify before his committee

"WASHINGTON – Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Sunday he will grant a request from Democrats to call Robert Mueller to testify before his committee, after the former Russia special counsel penned an op-ed pushing back against President Donald Trump's decision to commute the sentence of a longtime ally."

Mueller seem a bit reticent if not coy last time he testified. I wasn't sure if it was age, or his republicanism coming through.  He did not seem like a man wanting to set the record straight. I would hate for a repeat performance. He should stand up to the President and the Senate if he thinks they are in the wrong. Otherwise what could he possibly add?  Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and the GOP senate would tell you they never read the report as they jump on an elevator.  

Here is Mueller Op Ed....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/11/mueller-stone-oped/?arc404=true

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44 minutes ago, acidhead said:

:geek:

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thats kind of irrelevant. Obama commuted 100's to bring their sentence in line with proposed prison reform and new sentencing guidelines for non violent offenders.  Trump let's people go who kiss his trump even when they are traitors, liars and thieves like him. people had life sentences for selling crack more often than for selling powder cocaine.  

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