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What did Mao -Stalin & Hitler have in common?

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ellapenella

They were all Socialist & Darwinist. 

 

 

 

I met R. Sellner Reese about 9 years ago and found her story one of the most compelling and unusual ever; she lived under two murderous socialist governments: Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. “I was born under Hitler, grew up under Stalin and worked under communist dictators Walter Ulbricht and Erich Honnecker in East Germany,” she told me.

https://worldtribune.com/life/i-lived-under-hitler-and-stalin-they-promised-socialism-and-gave-us-tyranny/

 

 

Darwin’s Origin was seminal in Stalin’s own march toward a godless communism Yaroslavsky writes about the influence Darwin had on young Joseph Stalin

https://evolutionnews.org/2012/12/darwinism_and_s2/

 

 

As history separates us from Darwin’s death, the media is more willing to expose the harm of his ideas. This, plus the release of once-sealed records have revealed a great deal about the atrocities of recent history. This is the case of the horrors of Mao Zedong in Communist China.[1] That Darwin was a major influence in communist China should not surprise us. Darwin not only supported the survival-of-the-fittest ideology, but even

https://crev.info/2019/03/darwin-china-communist-holocaust/

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RabidMongoose
53 minutes ago, ellapenella said:

They were all Socialist & Darwinist. 

I met R. Sellner Reese about 9 years ago and found her story one of the most compelling and unusual ever; she lived under two murderous socialist governments: Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. “I was born under Hitler, grew up under Stalin and worked under communist dictators Walter Ulbricht and Erich Honnecker in East Germany,” she told me.

https://worldtribune.com/life/i-lived-under-hitler-and-stalin-they-promised-socialism-and-gave-us-tyranny/

Darwin’s Origin was seminal in Stalin’s own march toward a godless communism Yaroslavsky writes about the influence Darwin had on young Joseph Stalin

https://evolutionnews.org/2012/12/darwinism_and_s2/

As history separates us from Darwin’s death, the media is more willing to expose the harm of his ideas. This, plus the release of once-sealed records have revealed a great deal about the atrocities of recent history. This is the case of the horrors of Mao Zedong in Communist China.[1] That Darwin was a major influence in communist China should not surprise us. Darwin not only supported the survival-of-the-fittest ideology, but even

https://crev.info/2019/03/darwin-china-communist-holocaust/

When an environment is slow to change then survival of the fittest applies. But if an environment is dynamic then its survival of the most adaptable. If an organism is neither fit or adaptable but social, then the help of its society enables them to pass on their genes.

For one country to come to dominate the world then eugenics and selective breeding would allow them to emerge as the best over time. Thats what Hitler tried. He took the first steps in engineering the German people as the master race.

As a result eugenics and selective breeding are currently looked down upon. I suspect that will change when we discover aliens because if we dont give all humans an IQ of 500 we will quickly get conquered.

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Robotic Jew

Also, none of them had anything to do with U.S.politics. 

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Karl Schmidt
38 minutes ago, ellapenella said:

They were all Socialist & Darwinist. 

Hitler was not a socialist. As a matter of fact, he hated them.

They were also mammals, that doesn't mean mammals are criminals. The theory of evolution is the most beautiful scientific theory you can find. That crazy people use it for their own purposes, doesn't mare it less true.

Sorry for my English, German is my mother tongue.

 

 

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ellapenella

(Quoting Jacob Prasch) 

Socialism was seen as a failed experiment in the form of Warsaw Pact Nations.  People in Hungry, Poland & Romania they hate communism, they hate Socialism, they don’t want it.They know what it is,and they know it didn’t work. While people in Eastern Europe give those things up people in Western Europe want to embrace them.(lol.)doesn’t make a lot of sense.If it didn’t work there why is it gonna work here?!

Latin America  Che Guevaro , Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez; guess where they are now… What did they do? What did the Sandinistas do?   Now again I know about the abuses of Capitalism I know there’s faults in every system;man has fallen ,but the fact that it’s given the most personal freedom and the highest standard living to most people despite its faults ...that’s not the issue…

The issue is Socialism has never worked because it is predicated on a Darwinist Ideal :As Capitalism came from Feudalism they said Socialism would come from Capitalism and it didn’t happen Marx was wrong, proven wrong...Communism did not begin in Britain the first Capitalistic Country it began in Russia the last Feudal Country, everybody knows that but you weren’t allowed to teach it in the Soviet Union.They had to engage in revisionism and rewrite history because it didn’t fit the narrative…

If anyone want to hear more  you can listen in from 44 minutes in this  video link …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeiKbQG1uDY

 

The Sandinistas

Ideology and Domestic Politics


 

https://www.brown.edu/Research/Understanding_the_Iran_Contra_Affair/n-sandinistas.php

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BrooklynGuy
4 minutes ago, Karl Schmidt said:

Hitler was not a socialist. As a matter of fact, he hated them.

They were also mammals, that doesn't mean mammals are criminals. The theory of evolution is the most beautiful scientific theory you can find. That crazy people use it for their own purposes, doesn't mare it less true.

Sorry for my English, German is my mother tongue.

 

 

Welcome to UM Karl Schimdt. I find it interesting that you signed up a few minutes ago and chose this particular thread out of thousands of others to post on. None the less you have a blessed day. 

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6 minutes ago, ellapenella said:

(Quoting Jacob Prasch) 

Socialism was seen as a failed experiment in the form of Warsaw Pact Nations.  People in Hungry, Poland & Romania they hate communism, they hate Socialism, they don’t want it.They know what it is,and they know it didn’t work. While people in Eastern Europe give those things up people in Western Europe want to embrace them.(lol.)doesn’t make a lot of sense.If it didn’t work there why is it gonna work here?!

Latin America  Che Guevaro , Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez; guess where they are now… What did they do? What did the Sandinistas do?   Now again I know about the abuses of Capitalism I know there’s faults in every system;man has fallen ,but the fact that it’s given the most personal freedom and the highest standard living to most people despite its faults ...that’s not the issue…

The issue is Socialism has never worked because it is predicated on a Darwinist Ideal :As Capitalism came from Feudalism they said Socialism would come from Capitalism and it didn’t happen Marx was wrong, proven wrong...Communism did not begin in Britain the first Capitalistic Country it began in Russia the last Feudal Country, everybody knows that but you weren’t allowed to teach it in the Soviet Union.They had to engage in revisionism and rewrite history because it didn’t fit the narrative…

If anyone want to hear more  you can listen in from 44 minutes in this  video link …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeiKbQG1uDY

 

The Sandinistas

Ideology and Domestic Politics


 

https://www.brown.edu/Research/Understanding_the_Iran_Contra_Affair/n-sandinistas.php

Thanks for the thread and the links ellapenella and one could certainly argue that socialism has been a failure in many ways but is still favored by many who would prefer that government make the important decisions like healthcare.  

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RabidMongoose
13 minutes ago, Karl Schmidt said:

Hitler was not a socialist. As a matter of fact, he hated them.

They were also mammals, that doesn't mean mammals are criminals. The theory of evolution is the most beautiful scientific theory you can find. That crazy people use it for their own purposes, doesn't mare it less true.

Sorry for my English, German is my mother tongue.

In the modern era the term far-right has nothing to do with political stance. Its instead become a derogatory term applied to those who are anti-immigration or racist.

In reality both Hitler and Stalin were far-left. They both were autocratic and heavily regulated their societies which is what far-left actually means. As such Theocracies, Monarchies, Oligarchies, and dictatorships are all far-left types of government.

Far-right actually means Democracy where all people make the laws (instead of one or a select few) and it means freedom (instead of a heavily controlled and regulated state). The reason why this term is misused is because if the population want anti-immigration policies then a far-right government would give it to them instead of trying to silence and control them.

On top of being far-left Hitler was also a socialist and I really cannot believe I have to tell you that. It was the national socialist workers party led by one man, not a capitalist Democracy. Hitler eroded away the German class society, he expanded state healthcare, pensions, increased the number of state employees, he also nationalised various industries, poured money into education, and even introduced parenting classed for first time parents.

The different between the Nazism of Germany and the Socialism of the USSR is basically farming and that Hitler didnt like Stalin. Apart from that, both were virtually identical to each other.

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1 hour ago, ellapenella said:

They were all Socialist & Darwinist. 

 

 

 

I met R. Sellner Reese about 9 years ago and found her story one of the most compelling and unusual ever; she lived under two murderous socialist governments: Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. “I was born under Hitler, grew up under Stalin and worked under communist dictators Walter Ulbricht and Erich Honnecker in East Germany,” she told me.

https://worldtribune.com/life/i-lived-under-hitler-and-stalin-they-promised-socialism-and-gave-us-tyranny/

 

 

Darwin’s Origin was seminal in Stalin’s own march toward a godless communism Yaroslavsky writes about the influence Darwin had on young Joseph Stalin

https://evolutionnews.org/2012/12/darwinism_and_s2/

 

 

As history separates us from Darwin’s death, the media is more willing to expose the harm of his ideas. This, plus the release of once-sealed records have revealed a great deal about the atrocities of recent history. This is the case of the horrors of Mao Zedong in Communist China.[1] That Darwin was a major influence in communist China should not surprise us. Darwin not only supported the survival-of-the-fittest ideology, but even

https://crev.info/2019/03/darwin-china-communist-holocaust/

Why is this in the us political section? Maybe slightly less relevant, who cares.

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aztek

they all disarmed their population , they would not be able to terrorize and murder if they did not

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Karl Schmidt
1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

In the modern era the term far-right has nothing to do with political stance. Its instead become a derogatory term applied to those who are anti-immigration or racist.

Also the people that deny science (global warming, evolution, etc).

1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

In reality both Hitler and Stalin were far-left. They both were autocratic and heavily regulated their societies which is what far-left actually means. As such Theocracies, Monarchies, Oligarchies, and dictatorships are all far-left types of government.

So Pinochet was far left? I ask you because I was born in his dictatorship, and his hobby was killing socialists, that were the ones asking for democracy. Strange.

1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

Far-right actually means Democracy where all people make the laws (instead of one or a select few) and it means freedom (instead of a heavily controlled and regulated state). The reason why this term is misused is because if the population want anti-immigration policies then a far-right government would give it to them instead of trying to silence and control them.

Yeah, Hitler loved immigration.

1 hour ago, RabidMongoose said:

On top of being far-left Hitler was also a socialist and I really cannot believe I have to tell you that. It was the national socialist workers party led by one man, not a capitalist Democracy. Hitler eroded away the German class society, he expanded state healthcare, pensions, increased the number of state employees, he also nationalised various industries, poured money into education, and even introduced parenting classed for first time parents.

The different between the Nazism of Germany and the Socialism of the USSR is basically farming and that Hitler didnt like Stalin. Apart from that, both were virtually identical to each other.

Yes, they both had a moustache. Although Stalin's was bigger.

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odas
14 minutes ago, Karl Schmidt said:

Also the people that deny science (global warming, evolution, etc).

So Pinochet was far left? I ask you because I was born in his dictatorship, and his hobby was killing socialists, that were the ones asking for democracy. Strange.

Yeah, Hitler loved immigration.

Yes, they both had a moustache. Although Stalin's was bigger.

Welcome to UM Kali. Agree with all you have said so far.

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'Walt' E. Kurtz

They're all dead ;-) and I feel kind of sick too...

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RabidMongoose
35 minutes ago, Karl Schmidt said:

Also the people that deny science (global warming, evolution, etc).

So Pinochet was far left? I ask you because I was born in his dictatorship, and his hobby was killing socialists, that were the ones asking for democracy. Strange.

Yeah, Hitler loved immigration.

Yes, they both had a moustache. Although Stalin's was bigger.

Starting from the far-left it begins with rule by one person who totally controls and regulates society. Then as we move right more people hold power and society becomes more free. It ends with far-right where the whole population hold the power and there are virtually no controls or regulations. Thats all the terms mean, nothing else.

Its the wrong use of the terms which you too have been sucked into. A racist, genocidal, and expansionist government, can exist anywhere on the political spectrum. These things have nothing to do with what is socialist or conservative or liberal. However the socialists are far more likely to be far-left as the redistribution of wealth usually needs to be forced onto a population.

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Gunn

What did Mao -Stalin & Hitler have in common?

The death of millions.

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11 hours ago, BrooklynGuy said:

Thanks for the thread and the links ellapenella and one could certainly argue that socialism has been a failure in many ways but is still favored by many who would prefer that government make the important decisions like healthcare.  

Those who desire government control of our healthcare system are going to be terribly disappointed once they achieve their goal.  It is true that real reform is necessary and an in-depth discussion with total honesty could move us toward positive changes but having a single (government) payer is not the answer and once it takes hold it will be too late.  All it will accomplish is to reduce both the quality and availability of good care.  Exactly the opposite of what is being promised.  Maybe once the Left have broken this industry they can move on to forced conscription of doctors and nurses.  Cool, huh?  Force them, under penalty of law, to serve a number of years at their specialty for cheap wages.  

Healthcare workers in America are just like every other person.  They want to earn a decent living and put in the time and expense of becoming educated so they can have that success.  Crush their wages at the same time you vastly increase their stress levels and you can expect all the best people to move on.  Who will take the jobs then?  

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11 hours ago, Karl Schmidt said:

Hitler was not a socialist. As a matter of fact, he hated them.

They were also mammals, that doesn't mean mammals are criminals. The theory of evolution is the most beautiful scientific theory you can find. That crazy people use it for their own purposes, doesn't mare it less true.

Sorry for my English, German is my mother tongue.

 

 

His National Socialist German Workers' Party sounds a little socialist lol. 

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36 minutes ago, and then said:

Those who desire government control of our healthcare system are going to be terribly disappointed once they achieve their goal.  It is true that real reform is necessary and an in-depth discussion with total honesty could move us toward positive changes but having a single (government) payer is not the answer and once it takes hold it will be too late.  All it will accomplish is to reduce both the quality and availability of good care.  Exactly the opposite of what is being promised.  Maybe once the Left have broken this industry they can move on to forced conscription of doctors and nurses.  Cool, huh?  Force them, under penalty of law, to serve a number of years at their specialty for cheap wages.  

Healthcare workers in America are just like every other person.  They want to earn a decent living and put in the time and expense of becoming educated so they can have that success.  Crush their wages at the same time you vastly increase their stress levels and you can expect all the best people to move on.  Who will take the jobs then?  

then it is our duty to make sure it never happens

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psyche101
13 hours ago, ellapenella said:

They were all Socialist & Darwinist. 

 

 

 

I met R. Sellner Reese about 9 years ago and found her story one of the most compelling and unusual ever; she lived under two murderous socialist governments: Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. “I was born under Hitler, grew up under Stalin and worked under communist dictators Walter Ulbricht and Erich Honnecker in East Germany,” she told me.

https://worldtribune.com/life/i-lived-under-hitler-and-stalin-they-promised-socialism-and-gave-us-tyranny/

 

 

Darwin’s Origin was seminal in Stalin’s own march toward a godless communism Yaroslavsky writes about the influence Darwin had on young Joseph Stalin

https://evolutionnews.org/2012/12/darwinism_and_s2/

 

 

As history separates us from Darwin’s death, the media is more willing to expose the harm of his ideas. This, plus the release of once-sealed records have revealed a great deal about the atrocities of recent history. This is the case of the horrors of Mao Zedong in Communist China.[1] That Darwin was a major influence in communist China should not surprise us. Darwin not only supported the survival-of-the-fittest ideology, but even

https://crev.info/2019/03/darwin-china-communist-holocaust/

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Tatetopa
1 hour ago, and then said:

Healthcare workers in America are just like every other person.  They want to earn a decent living and put in the time and expense of becoming educated so they can have that success.  Crush their wages at the same time you vastly increase their stress levels and you can expect all the best people to move on.  Who will take the jobs then?  

It seems also that every time a large HMO does a leveraged buyout of smaller clinics and country hospitals, they consolidate services, cut wages where they can and lay people off. Isn't that another aspect of the problem we are facing? 

 

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1 hour ago, and then said:

Healthcare workers in America are just like every other person.  They want to earn a decent living and put in the time and expense of becoming educated so they can have that success.  Crush their wages at the same time you vastly increase their stress levels and you can expect all the best people to move on.  Who will take the jobs then?  

Thats why new laws need to include protections for workers. I know stuff like capping executive salaries is taboo but there really isnt a way to fix the system without some serious reprioritization.

 

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35 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

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Just wanted to say that this movie always felt like a re enactment of my time at UM :yes:

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Tatetopa
15 hours ago, ellapenella said:

Darwin’s Origin was seminal in Stalin’s own march toward a godless communism Yaroslavsky writes about the influence Darwin had on young Joseph Stalin

Capitalism also  can be Dawinist?  We tout personal responsibility and the notion that it is only merit that gets people ahead in our system. Poor people are poor because they are inferior, if they can't hack it, they can starve. Rich people are rich because they deserve to be.

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Habitat
3 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Rich people are rich because they deserve to be.

Or they inherited it ! ;)

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Tatetopa
1 minute ago, Habitat said:

Or they inherited it ! 

Well then genetically, they deserve it because their genes from superior parents are superior.

Paris Hilton.  I rest my case.

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