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Former Trump White House counsel Donald McGahn must comply with a House subpoena, a federal court ruled Monday, finding that top presidential advisers cannot ignore congressional demands for information and raising the possibility that McGahn could be forced to testify as part of the impeachment inquiry.

, U.S. District Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson of Washington, found no basis for a White House claim that the former counsel is “absolutely immune from compelled congressional testimony,” likely setting the stage for a historic separation-of-powers confrontation between the government’s executive and legislative branches.

The House Judiciary Committee went to court in August to enforce its subpoena for McGahn, whom lawmakers consider the “most important” witness in whether Trump obstructed justice in special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/former-white-house-counsel-donald-mcgahn-must-comply-with-house-subpoena-judge-rules/2019/11/25/6de26cc8-018d-11ea-8bab-0fc209e065a8_story.html

This case might see the floodgates open, with those who recently refused to testify with regards to Ukraine, along with those in departments like Pompeo's obstructing State Department, being left with no choice.

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I'm SURE you'll get him THIS time, chuckles.  :rolleyes:

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hacktorp
6 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

This case might see the floodgates open, with those who recently refused to testify with regards to Ukraine, along with those in departments like Pompeo's obstructing State Department, being left with no choice.

Not likely at all.

This silly ruling by an Obama-appointed, activist judge, will certainly be appealed and sent to higher court for a more responsible ruling.

10.18.2019, Ketanji Jackson.jpg

Obama-appointed activist judges are a rapidly vanishing breed.

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ChrLzs
42 minutes ago, and then said:

I'm SURE you'll get him THIS time, chuckles.  :rolleyes:

And, as the guy fell from the top of the skyscraper he was heard to call out "I'm fine so far.." as he went past the third floor....

{driveby}

 

We shall see....

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Yes... yes we shall ;) 

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Manwon Lender
6 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/former-white-house-counsel-donald-mcgahn-must-comply-with-house-subpoena-judge-rules/2019/11/25/6de26cc8-018d-11ea-8bab-0fc209e065a8_story.html

This case might see the floodgates open, with those who recently refused to testify with regards to Ukraine, along with those in departments like Pompeo's obstructing State Department, being left with no choice.

It has been an interesting few months, but it's ashame that when Subpoenaed to a hearing our Government officials can decide not to show up with no action taken. If it were any of us, who didn't show up when Subpoenaed we would be put in jail for obstruction of justice until we chose to appear. 

That is what bothers me more than anything else concerning these issues. These are the people who are suppose to be our leaders and I think they should start either Leading, Following, or  getting the F-out of the way.

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Manwon Lender
6 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Not likely at all.

This silly ruling by an Obama-appointed, activist judge, will certainly be appealed and sent to higher court for a more responsible ruling.

10.18.2019, Ketanji Jackson.jpg

Obama-appointed activist judges are a rapidly vanishing breed.

Why don't you just say what you really mean?

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hacktorp
19 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Why don't you just say what you really mean?

I did,

You probably shouldn't give up your day job to become a psychic.

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Manwon Lender
5 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

I did,

You probably shouldn't give up your day job to become a psychic.

Ok, denial isn't a river in Egypt, so don't give up your day job as Comedian.

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Tatetopa
7 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

This case might see the floodgates open, with those who recently refused to testify with regards to Ukraine, along with those in departments like Pompeo's obstructing State Department, being left with no choice.

There are already plenty of facts, the transcript, the testimonies but the two sides see them differently.  The transcript shows he is guilty, the transcript shows he is innocent.  It is like one of those illusions you see sometimes.  People look at the same picture, some see a rabbit' head, some see a duck's head.

I don't think it will make any difference.

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CrimsonKing
55 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

It has been an interesting few months, but it's ashame that when Subpoenaed to a hearing our Government officials can decide not to show up with no action taken. If it were any of us, who didn't show up when Subpoenaed we would be put in jail for obstruction of justice until we chose to appear. 

That is what bothers me more than anything else concerning these issues. These are the people who are suppose to be our leaders and I think they should start either Leading, Following, or  getting the F-out of the way.

Oh man,we could probably both go back through the past 5-6 administrations and roll out a list that would fill 50 pages of things "officials" have gotten away with that we'd be locked up for and the key thrown in the ocean...

The day we regular folks can join together and demand our "royals" get the same treatment,is the day we become "We the people" once again.

When we sit back and scream silly little in the moment phrases like "whataboutism" when rightly pointing out this crap comes outta both ends...we just keep widening the rift.

If these people were subpoenaed by a court,should they have to show up?...absolutely!

Should Hillary's crew who smashed up hard drives and cell phones have been given the regular peoples sentence for destroying evidence?absolutely!

It's BS man and it's thick,and it stinks,and it's everywhere in our capital.

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Manwon Lender
7 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Oh man,we could probably both go back through the past 5-6 administrations and roll out a list that would fill 50 pages of things "officials" have gotten away with that we'd be locked up for and the key thrown in the ocean...

The day we regular folks can join together and demand our "royals" get the same treatment,is the day we become "We the people" once again.

When we sit back and scream silly little in the moment phrases like "whataboutism" when rightly pointing out this crap comes outta both ends...we just keep widening the rift.

If these people were subpoenaed by a court,should they have to show up?...absolutely!

Should Hillary's crew who smashed up hard drives and cell phones have been given the regular peoples sentence for destroying evidence?absolutely!

It's BS man and it's thick,and it stinks,and it's everywhere in our capital.

It totally Bs, when the laws that apply to the Citizens of the United States no longer apply to those We Put In Office the nation needs to vote differently the next time around. I beleive that for those who didn't show up when subpoenaed should be voted out of their position during the next election. President Trump has said repeatedly that he was going to drain the Swamp, yet he allows this illegal activity to go on and possibly even instigates it himself I truly wonder why.

This is totally outrageous behaviour I am so tired of both the Republican and Democratic parties, but until enough people feel the same way nothing will ever happen and that is the facts as they are.

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1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

These are the people who are suppose to be our leaders and I think they should start either Leading, Following, or  getting the F-out of the way.

He was the president's COUNSEL.  He does not have the right or obligation to disobey a presidential order related to Executive Privilege.  You guys can't seem to get beyond the false premise that this president is somehow less deserving of the rights of all others.  Regardless the pettiness of his enemies, Donald Trump IS the U.S. president.  He can tell anyone asking such questions that he feels are due such privilege to pound sand and they WILL.  Deal with it.  Or cry... doesn't really matter to his supporters ;) 

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Manwon Lender
7 minutes ago, and then said:

He was the president's COUNSEL.  He does not have the right or obligation to disobey a presidential order related to Executive Privilege.  You guys can't seem to get beyond the false premise that this president is somehow less deserving of the rights of all others.  Regardless the pettiness of his enemies, Donald Trump IS the U.S. president.  He can tell anyone asking such questions that he feels are due such privilege to pound sand and they WILL.  Deal with it.  Or cry... doesn't really matter to his supporters ;) 

Like I said these people, I was really talking about the others who didn't show up when Subpoenaed. Their not special and they should not get away with anything we can't as Citizens. So you please deal with,  or cry, because it wrong no matter what lengths you that you go to excuse. 

Oh and by the way, you still haven't answered the questions I asked in the other thread this morning. If you chose not I will understand.:yes:

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Hopefully former Trump White House counsel Don McGahn will testify 

Judge grants temporary reprieve delaying McGahn's testimony

A federal judge on Wednesday granted the Justice Department's request for a temporary pause on her ruling earlier this week that former Trump White House counsel Don McGahn must testify in the House impeachment probe, allowing a brief delay as the case advances toward an appeal. U.S. District Court Judge Kentanji Brown Jackson said in a one-paragraph order granting DOJ's administrative stay request that it "should not be construed in any way as a ruling on the merits" of the department's arguments that it can succeed in getting her decision against McGahn put on a more permanent hold while it works its way up the legal chain.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/26/doj-moves-to-halt-judges-ruling-that-mcgahn-must-testify-073923

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U.S. District Court Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, in a 17-page opinion, rejected the Justice Department’s request to put a long-term stay on her earlier opinion requiring Don McGahn, the former Trump White House counsel, to appear before the House Judiciary Committee.

Jackson also decided to lift an earlier administrative stay she’d issued that had put her decision briefly on ice while the case moved up to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit.

“This Court has no doubt that further delay of the Judiciary Committee’s enforcement of its valid subpoena causes grave harm to both the Committee’s investigation and the interests of the public more broadly,” Jackson wrote.

Last week, Jackson decided Trump couldn’t claim “absolute immunity” to prevent his former aides from testifying under oath. But she also later agreed to a seven-day freeze on her opinion to hear out the Justice Department on its arguments for a longer-term hold pending the appeal.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/02/judge-denies-doj-request-don-mcgahn-074846

 

 

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BTW, anyone still supporting Trump after the growing number of evidenced crimes and immorality, really should look around a bit at other news sources and discover what Fox News and their ilk are not showing you.  The big orange bullying moron is going to go down on several different fire-fronts over the next year....

(but do carry on - the endgame will be much sweeter, the more that Trump-culters protest via ignorance of facts...)

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Tatetopa
39 minutes ago, ChrLzs said:

BTW, anyone still supporting Trump after the growing number of evidenced crimes and immorality, really should look around a bit at other news sources and discover what Fox News and their ilk are not showing you.  The big orange bullying moron is going to go down on several different fire-fronts over the next year....

(but do carry on - the endgame will be much sweeter, the more that Trump-culters protest via ignorance of facts...)

In my  opinion, after reading a lot of posts from Trump supporters,  I don't think they are stupid or unaware of what is going on.  They consider Trump to be the lesser of two evils.  He has saved America from Hillary, Progressivism, Globalism, Socialism; and the deep state.  They consider a good deal.  There also seems to be a lot of hate for the establishment and Democrats in general, but Hillary in particular.  Kind of Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

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ChrLzs
14 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

In my  opinion, after reading a lot of posts from Trump supporters,  I don't think they are stupid or unaware of what is going on. 

Are you sure?  I rather like this as an example of the Rep 'argument' (aka lots of handwaving and appeals to ignorance), and then an intelligent and clearly heartfelt response from a law professor:

 

When the Reps handwave like Collins did there, it is obvious that they want their constituents to be uninformed.  But Prof. Karlan very powerfully explains the reality...  I particularly like the expression on Collins face as she begins to shred him.

 

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Tatetopa
3 minutes ago, ChrLzs said:

Are you sure?  I rather like this as an example of the Rep 'argument' (aka lots of handwaving and appeals to ignorance), and then an intelligent and clearly heartfelt response from a law professor:

No I can't be sure.  Should I raise my hand if I have first hand knowledge to prove they are not  stupid or unaware?  

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ChrLzs
5 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

No I can't be sure.  Should I raise my hand if I have first hand knowledge to prove they are not  stupid or unaware?  

Don't get me wrong, I tend to agree!  I found it interesting that you raised that, just as I watched that powerful statement by Prof Karlan.  Wonder if that will be broadcast by Fox?

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