Why is so impossible that Atlantis existed?

[Mello_]

Why is so impossible that Atlantis existed?

I mean even is fable why many peeps on this forum oppose idea as it is balsphemy and redicule it idea?

We have numerous analogy to story of Atlantis

-Tantalis same letters as Atlantis 

-Helike sunk in time of Plato could inspire him

-Cyladic culture

Etc.

So why is so imposible that Atlantis existed?

I did read Plato or should I say copies of Plato since we dont have nothing from Plato dude and what does he wrote so crazy about Atlantis?

Usual city as any other. No hi tech. So why are peeps so negative about Atlantis idea anyway?

 

[Mello_]

I mean all this could be sunken

https://www.google.com/search?q=Cycladic culture&client=ms-android-samsung&prmd=imvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1uqTt5IfmAhUB6aQKHaZ2C9QQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=412&bih=612&dpr=2.63#isa=y

Yet...Atlantis...no. Why? Whats so loony about Atlantis story? Maybe some culture did wrote encyclopedia on vax tablets which are now lost like those in library of Ninveh. Maybe those peeps in link wrote in vax. 

Why are you scared of Atlantis? In Plato work I cant found Wisps and Centaurs...I simply just dont get it.

[RoofGardener]

If you read Timaeus or Criticas, Plato goes into some considerable details about the Atlantean army moving across Europe before trying to conquer Athens. 

There is NOTHING in history about this gigantic army coming from "Atlantis" and conquering France, Germany, Italy, Greece etc etc 

No physical evidence, no artefacts,  no stories, no legends, no myths or folklore.. NOTHING. 

In addition, Plato was the ONLY person to EVER reference Atlantis (or anything like it) until the early Victorian period, when various people became enamoured of the idea. No other historians or storytellers make any mention of it until that point. Surely that would be VERY strange if Atlantis had actually existed, and conquered most of southern europe ? 

So is the story impossible ? Strictly speaking, no. Nothing  is entirely impossible. But the chances of a real Atlantis existing as a major military power - as described by Plato - and leaving no traces - not even in folklore - are incredibly small. 

Edited November 26, 2019 by RoofGardener

[Mello_]

Lets just leave army for a while and other sources. 

Lets focus on city itself. What so loony about description? I mean if anyone with little knowledge of history know what peeps were able to build...what is so hi tech, ancient alien, knowledge before knowledge about Atlantis? Based on what was Atlantis different than others cities? 

In fact what we know about it- it wasnt. So also I dont get fringies who search for it as it life depends on it while many real mysteries are in history and real scientific debates pass by.  Like someone wants to dumb people and keep this debate of Atlantis open for generations. And for example Anasazi built 6 lvl buildings... there is no analogy of Anasazi in history of man kind...then everyday and I mean everyday archaeological discoveries in Bulgaria and Turkey and elsewhere...

From where Sumerians come from? No semitic language circled with semitic language. Sudden apperance in history Etc.

Is pennisula war is real reason of Napoleon defeat? Etc.

Even alternative one as What if Chartage won Romans...

But here sceptics are on the edge when someone mention Atlantis. Wierd since this is alternative history subforum on unexplained mysteries forum. 

Edited November 26, 2019 by Mello_

[Essan]

There may well have been places and events that inspired Plato.  Just as there were places and events that inspired JK Rowling. 

But a fictional story is still a fictional story.

In 2,000 years time will people be arguing over the true location of Hogwarts? 

[Mello_]

Ok you believe is fable. So Im asking this question. What is SO loony that Atlantis actually existed?

That we didnt find it so far. Well...we didnt find more than half of Aristotels works could I say now ok those stories about Aristoteles lost work is quote: "fictional" stories. What did people, who copied Plato, actually wrote that is impossible? City as any other. No knowledge before knowledge. Perhaps maybe social order was good then again we dont know much about social orders of others in history, for what we know Anasazi could have utopia( although I dont believe in utopias and also word itself comes from greek which means no where ). 

Edited November 26, 2019 by Mello_

[Essan]

5 minutes ago, Mello_ said:

Ok you believe is fable. So Im asking this question. What is SO loony that Atlantis actually existed?

 

The same that is loony about Hogwarts Castle, or Narnia or Westeros existing.    They are fictional places.  

But if Atlantis was real then it must a) be exactly as described by Plato, with no exceptions and b) have disappeared off the face of the Earth leaving no trace of its existence, nor of it's inhabitants, nor even of any of the peoples whom the inhabitants interacted with (including the Egyptians and Athenians - neither of whom existed until thousands of years after they fought the Atlanteans .....)  

[ExpandMyMind]

I don't think it's impossible. In fact, it's one of the last 'unexplained-mysteries' that my mind allows me to imagine might be true, at least in some form (that it existed and was more advanced than others of that time).

[Mello_]

Ok. How do you know that for example tri lobed egyptian disc isnt Atlantis artifact? How do we now its Egyptian? We dont. We are guessing. Or those "Rapa Nui" heads I posted? History is science. And science is self correcting. We know more now about AE then in time of Herodotus.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Mello_

[RoofGardener]

6 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

I don't think it's impossible. In fact, it's one of the last 'unexplained-mysteries' that my mind allows me to imagine might be true, at least in some form (that it existed and was more advanced than others of that time).

Leaving behind no trace in legend, myths or folklore ? I struggle with that. 

[Mello_]

43 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Leaving behind no trace in legend, myths or folklore ? I struggle with that. 

Did Helike left trace in your country? What myths and folklore stories did your granma talk to you about Troy? Or Maya?

But you did heared from relatives story about Atlantis? 

Edited November 26, 2019 by Mello_

[Mello_]

Also in my own country and villages from my grandfathers there are myths folklore stories about Wisps, about peeps shapeshifters, Werewolf which was saw by half of villagers, druids who can turn into crows or tree, mysterious dwarflike civilization on mountain, inventors and lost knowledge, and my fav in which they all believe (poor grandpa) elves.You know kids would get drunk and make splice braid on horse hair. In the morning everyone in village was sure that elves did it. And story was alive for generations. From time to time kids would make story alive after few beers.

Well, thats folklore and myths. Do I need to conclude because there are stories about Werewolf that Ww actually existed?

No. Because there is no analogy. We never caught ww. But we have analogies with Atlantis. And story did reach you since we now discussing it.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Mello_

[ExpandMyMind]

38 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Leaving behind no trace in legend, myths or folklore ? I struggle with that. 

I'll bet there have been more than a few civilisations that we've never heard about. If there was one on an island that was sunk by an earthquake or volcano then understandably there would be even less evidence.

Don't ruin this for me. It's the only one I have left.

[RoofGardener]

1 minute ago, ExpandMyMind said:

I'll bet there have been more than a few civilisations that we've never heard about. If there was one on an island that was sunk by an earthquake or volcano then understandably there would be even less evidence.

Don't ruin this for me. It's the only one I have left.

Fair enough  

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Troy was considered a myth until one man mad enough to follow the text went there and dug it up. You can do exactly the same for Atlantis and you find three fifths of b***** all. No sonar evidence whatsoever of there ever having been a landmass at the precise spot Plato indicated, nothing within weazling around with the text distance even.
 

Now for the clincher - Egyptians never kept records, especially in temples, of other nations deeds. They did keep records of their deeds and oddly enough not one vague whiff of Atlantis. Ohh and Athens consisted of three men and two dozen goats at the time Plato tells us a might Athenian army defeated a might nation conquering empire. 

[Hanslune]

7 hours ago, Mello_ said:

Ok. How do you know that for example tri lobed egyptian disc isnt Atlantis artifact? How do we now its Egyptian? We dont. We are guessing. Or those "Rapa Nui" heads I posted? History is science. And science is self correcting. We know more now about AE then in time of Herodotus.

So you think the 'Atlantean's' made the Trilobe huh - a very nice soft stone carving that is lopsided? What about the other pieces like it? Who made them?

It has been my experience that people who get excited about the trilobe know very little about it and in most cases have only seen one image of it or an artificial copy of it.

Rapa Nui heads no one was on RN until 'recently' not anywhere near 'Atlantean' time -we can see where the quarries were and there are unfinished statutes there were the 'Atlanteans' left their stone pounders - which I happened to have used - tiresome way to make a statute....

Your personal incredulity isn't evidence for Atlantis.

[Mello_]

So if we in 5000 years from now we found Mercedes in France we would think that French made it since they made Citroen. Only AE knew to work with granite. Thats great! Those Rapa Nui heads are not Rapa Nui. Go back to the link. Its culture which sunk. As far as I remember Rapa Nui didnt sunk. Jared Diamond in book Collapse, which is must read, as I remember mentioned different causes of collapse. Diamond explain how society fall on many examples. Part on Maya was great. Modern Montana and so on. Anyway I wrote "Rapa Nui."

And I dont care for your expirence with other peeps.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Mello_

[Stiff]

Mello, there are Atlantis threads on here monthly, if not weekly. Just about every possibility has been played out and there are some well-read and extremely knowledgeable folk on this subject. Most, if not all of those who have expertise in this subject are drawn to the conclusion that it is nothing more than a story. Perhaps based possibly on some real events here and there , but a story nonetheless.

Somehow I don't think you'll accept this as you seem desperately to want to believe, regardless of evidence otherwise.

[Stiff]

5 minutes ago, Mello_ said:

So if we in 5000 years from now we found Mercedes in France we would think that French made it since they made Citroen.

No. The Mercedes would work, proving that it was indeed built by Germans and not the French.

[Mello_]

1 minute ago, Stiff said:

No. The Mercedes would work, proving that it was indeed built by Germans and not the French.

True that. Mercedes is Mercedes.

[Hanslune]

7 minutes ago, Mello_ said:

 Only AE knew to work with granite. Thats great!

What point are you trying to make?

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Those Rapa Nui heads are not Rapa Nui. Go back to the link.

What link? The link you provided in this thread has nothing to do with Rapa Nui but the Cycladic culture

 

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Its culture which sunk. As far as I remember Rapa Nui didnt sunk. Jared Diamond in book Collapse, which is must read, as I remember mentioned different causes of collapse. Diamond explain how society fall on many examples. Part on Maya was great. Modern Montana and so on. Anyway I wrote "Rapa Nui."

And I dont care for your expirence with other peeps.

Sorry Mello not able to understand what you might be trying to say.

[Hanslune]

4 minutes ago, Stiff said:

No. The Mercedes would work, proving that it was indeed built by Germans and not the French.

The Mercedes would also be spotless (preserved perfectly in a Maginot fort entrance) while the French car would have been totaled and left in a ditch.

[Mello_]

3 minutes ago, Stiff said:

Mello, there are Atlantis threads on here monthly, if not weekly. Just about every possibility has been played out and there are some well-read and extremely knowledgeable folk on this subject. Most, if not all of those who have expertise in this subject are drawn to the conclusion that it is nothing more than a story. Perhaps based possibly on some real events here and there , but a story nonetheless.

Somehow I don't think you'll accept this as you seem desperately to want to believe, regardless of evidence otherwise.

No I dont wont to believe. Just facts and data is what matter. It isnt here story about does Atlantis existed or not its story whats so high techy about it. And its nothing. Plato rewritters didnt wrote anything imposible or fishy about that city whether existed just in book or in real life. 

[Mello_]

3 minutes ago, Hanslune said:

What point are you trying to make?

What link? The link you provided in this thread has nothing to do with Rapa Nui but the Cycladic culture

 

Sorry Mello not able to understand what you might be trying to say.

Point is that we doesnt know is trilobe egyptian since we didnt find anything similar. Find me one more trilobed in AE and I will say ok. But this points to me that it isnt AE. I belive its a present.

I wrote "Rapa Nui" heads since those sunken heads I posted in link remind me on Rapa Nui.

[Stiff]

OK, here's a few threads for you to go through (there are many more.)

Read them through and you'll get an idea of why the vast majority of people are under the impression that it is just a story.  Once you've read through them, feel free to comment here again. 

I probably won't get to see the comment though as by then, I will be in a care home getting a bed bath, my eyes will have deteriorated and dementia will have set in due to being 127 years old.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/330550-platos-atlantis-a-prophecy-cloathed-in-myth/?tab=comments#comment-6831453

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/328728-the-atlantis-research-charter/?tab=comments#comment-6767818

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/329144-plato´s-atlantis-was-in-a-river-delta/?tab=comments#comment-6781156

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/330706-lost-continent-found-under-europe-atlantis/?tab=comments#comment-6836888

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/330582-remnants-of-atlantis-found-on-google-earth/?tab=comments#comment-6832642

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/330314-atlantis/?tab=comments#comment-6823967

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/323403-is-this-atlantis-at-the-coast-of-spain/?tab=comments#comment-6598386

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/329363-map-of-atlantis-and-lemuria/?tab=comments#comment-6788188

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/329227-medieval-atlantis-on-the-russian-amur-river/?tab=comments#comment-6783812

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/326765-atlantis-and-lemuria-new-information/?tab=comments#comment-6707481

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/328546-american-atlantis/?tab=comments#comment-6760522

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/321339-is-this-atlantis-in-the-sahara/?tab=comments#comment-6544442

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/326035-atlantis-finally-found/?tab=comments#comment-6682308

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/324121-atlantis-existed/?tab=comments#comment-6618903

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