ThereWeAreThen Posted November 27, 2019 #126 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: I cant say that I believe the OT tales per se, although as allegories, they may work better? I'm no expert. The way I see things - God gave us life, a home, and free will, and told us to get on with it.....only, do something that divides, something hateful, greedy, spiteful etc, something that retards humanities evolution, then suffer the consequences. Or do something selfless, something kind etc, and see the difference. Im not saying that mankind hasn't done some pretty horrendous things in the name of religion, but that's on mankind, not God No it's on god alright. We're all supposed to be "created" in his image. But I honestly think, the bible was supposed to be taken seriously. It's just all one big allegory. Ok god apparently creating the universe...well to be fair they didn't have the knowledge we do now to explain how the universe was formed, hence they decided to create a death space pixie and named it gos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 27, 2019 #127 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 minute ago, ThereWeAreThen said: No it's on god alright. We're all supposed to be "created" in his image. But I honestly think, the bible was supposed to be taken seriously. It's just all one big allegory. Ok god apparently creating the universe...well to be fair they didn't have the knowledge we do now to explain how the universe was formed, hence they decided to create a death space pixie and named it gos. Yes we are created in His image. With a life eternal and free will - its this free will that can be the best and the worse thing going. But if we want to see a better day, less violence, poverty, crime etc, then we must start to take responsibility for the state of the planet, and stop blaming God. Wouldn't you agree? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 27, 2019 #128 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted November 27, 2019 #129 Share Posted November 27, 2019 13 hours ago, Mello_ said: God was so good that he forgive them but affraid that they would become immortal. My version was that God wants us that we expirence life and death. To add some fuel. In Old testament Belzebub ask God if he can do things. Like in the Job. But in new testament no. I also did study how angels evolved in Bible. Relation Belzebub and Yahwe. Also I was sure that there were more than 3 Kings which visted Jesus. And mostly highly interesting is Jesus one of biggest miracle that he shapeshifted himself. And there are stories in Bible where apostoles didnt recognized Rabi at first but soon they realized it was him. Right he was so good at being God that he created life forms and when they wouldn't obey him...he killed them. Quite the lover of humanity there! And then created a place for them to suffer f o r e v e r 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 27, 2019 #130 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: Pffft. Btw did the Irish national team qualify for the European Championship ? If not I wonder who did qualify from their group. Messi is God. It's a well known fact. No we are pretty crap. But hopefully we can qualify via some knockout backdoor type thing. Nearly everyone qualified, bit of a joke really. Edit: 836 appearances (club and country) 682 goals and 278 assists. Involved in 1.14 goals a game. Edit edit. 683 goals and 278 assists. Edited November 27, 2019 by danydandan 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted November 27, 2019 #131 Share Posted November 27, 2019 8 hours ago, XenoFish said: I normally would tear a thread like this to shreds, but I don't feel the urge to argue over fairy tales. Seriously! Can you imagine having a real argument with someone who actually believed that King Arthur and the knights of the Round Table were real people? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 27, 2019 #132 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, joc said: Seriously! Can you imagine having a real argument with someone who actually believed that King Arthur and the knights of the Round Table were real people? I'll have you know King Arthur was Irish. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted November 27, 2019 #133 Share Posted November 27, 2019 54 minutes ago, danydandan said: Messi is God. It's a well known fact. No its not a fact. How can you be a god if you play for the devil? 54 minutes ago, danydandan said: No we are pretty crap. But hopefully we can qualify via some knockout backdoor type thing. Nearly everyone qualified, bit of a joke really. I only brought it up because a certain little country north of Germany was the one to send you out. 54 minutes ago, danydandan said: Edit: 836 appearances (club and country) 682 goals and 278 assists. Involved in 1.14 goals a game. Edit edit. 683 goals and 278 assists. Yeah whatever...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 27, 2019 #134 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: I only brought it up because a certain little country north of Germany was the one to send you out. I was at the game in Landsdown Road. We played well, by far the better team......but we didn't deserve to qualify due to our players, FA, Manager all being absolutely crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 27, 2019 #135 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, joc said: Seriously! Can you imagine having a real argument with someone who actually believed that King Arthur and the knights of the Round Table were real people? Just switch King Arthur with God then yes, yes I can. It goes nowhere. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mello_ Posted November 27, 2019 Author #136 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, joc said: Right he was so good at being God that he created life forms and when they wouldn't obey him...he killed them. Quite the lover of humanity there! And then created a place for them to suffer f o r e v e r On what exactly you think? Im mean who was the victim? God only once in Bible appears. As burning bush to Moses. Never before never after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 27, 2019 #137 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mello_ said: On what exactly you think? Im mean who was the victim? God only once in Bible appears. As burning bush to Moses. Never before never after. Ehhhhhh? You are wrong there. Let's make a list. Well Jesus is God, according to some, so he appears a number of times. Psalms, John.... Doesn't Moses see his back because looking upon God's face in his 'true' form would be fatal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereWeAreThen Posted November 27, 2019 #138 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, danydandan said: Messi is God. It's a well known fact. No we are pretty crap. But hopefully we can qualify via some knockout backdoor type thing. Nearly everyone qualified, bit of a joke really. Edit: 836 appearances (club and country) 682 goals and 278 assists. Involved in 1.14 goals a game. Edit edit. 683 goals and 278 assists. It's ok fella....we're in the Euros!!! Cymru am byth!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereWeAreThen Posted November 27, 2019 #139 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, danydandan said: I'll have you know King Arthur was Irish. Oi! Pretty sure he was ours you thieving git!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted November 27, 2019 #140 Share Posted November 27, 2019 46 minutes ago, Mello_ said: God only once in Bible appears. Why would you even start a thread about the bible if you have never even read it? ???? Only appears once? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted November 27, 2019 #141 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: Just switch King Arthur with God then yes, yes I can. It goes nowhere. So...you See what I'm Saying.... ...how can anyone seeee what one is saying anyway?..... Exactly! A fable is a fable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted November 28, 2019 #142 Share Posted November 28, 2019 4 hours ago, danydandan said: I'll have you know King Arthur was Irish. yes...and God was Jewish! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlookerofmayhem Posted November 28, 2019 #143 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Mello_ said: On what exactly you think? Im mean who was the victim? God only once in Bible appears. As burning bush to Moses. Never before never after. Didn't god wrestle a guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted November 28, 2019 #144 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, onlookerofmayhem said: Didn't god wrestle a guy? It was an angel that wrestled a guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlookerofmayhem Posted November 28, 2019 #145 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: It was an angel that wrestled a guy. Thanks. I guess it has been debated, but as with the rest of th ed bible, Open to Interpretation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_wrestling_with_the_angel "The interpretation that "Jacob wrestled with God" (glossed in the name Isra-'el) is common in Protestant theology, endorsed by both Martin Luther and John Calvin (although Calvin believed the event was "only a vision"),[10] as well as later writers such as Joseph Barker (1854)[18] or Peter L. Berger (2014).[19] Other commentaries treat the expression of Jacob's having seen "God face to face" as referencing the Angel of the Lord as the "Face of God".[20]" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted November 28, 2019 #146 Share Posted November 28, 2019 37 minutes ago, XenoFish said: It was an angel that wrestled a guy. I think the Bible says Jacob wrestled 'a man'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 28, 2019 #147 Share Posted November 28, 2019 19 hours ago, Mello_ said: The man has now become like one of us, Hi Mello Who is us is never discussed in the bible but it makes one think when god also declares that there should be no gods before him suggesting others and if so why is god silent(deceptive) about it's past or circumstances somewhat reminiscent of the black sheep of the family. 19 hours ago, Mello_ said: God was so good that he forgive them but affraid that they would become immortal. Actually they were immortal before they ate the apple. jmccr8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted November 28, 2019 #148 Share Posted November 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Mello_ said: You have had bad priest. I had the Bible. 10 hours ago, Mello_ said: What I learned that not all bad things comes from God. That bad things happened because we lived in fog. So the speak. And sometimes bad thing happens because of evil peeps. And sometimes what seems.as bad thing in fact isnt. How do you know whats good for you? Nothing to do with anything I said. 10 hours ago, Mello_ said: It does say: Im your Lord and there are no Gods than me. Atleast where I come from. Even kids knew that. Nope, it says to have no other gods before me. If you're going to quote the Bible get it right. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 28, 2019 #149 Share Posted November 28, 2019 6 hours ago, joc said: yes...and God was Jewish! Simply untrue. Everyone knows God was, is and always will be Irish. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danydandan Posted November 28, 2019 #150 Share Posted November 28, 2019 9 hours ago, ThereWeAreThen said: Oi! Pretty sure he was ours you thieving git!!! A Welsh king? Get out of it. Lol. Seriously though; a number of historians believe the Arthurian legend is based on Muircertach Mac Erca. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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