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Why call him a God?

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ThereWeAreThen
50 minutes ago, danydandan said:

A Welsh king? Get out of it. Lol.

Seriously though; a number of historians believe the Arthurian legend is based on Muircertach Mac Erca.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/King-Arthur

There ya go Welsh and proud.:tsu:

Nah to be fair I scanned the article and it states they assumed hes Welsh from what I read. So not entirely sure but an educated guess....I'll take it! Pretty sure Merlin was Welsh and all.

@Piney you seem to know everything and everyone related to history and legends. We need your counsel oh wise one.:nw:

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Tatetopa
On 11/26/2019 at 4:34 PM, Crazy Horse said:

Sure God is able, only you, you reading this, you have to ask, make the first move so to speak.

Probably why he gave us AR-15's?

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psyche101
11 hours ago, danydandan said:

Ehhhhhh?

You are wrong there. Let's make a list. 

Well Jesus is God, according to some, so he appears a number of times. 

Psalms, John.... Doesn't Moses see his back because looking upon God's face in his 'true' form would be fatal?

Same goes for this guy, guy.

 

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Piney
4 hours ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

@Piney you seem to know everything and everyone related to history and legends. We need your counsel oh wise one.:nw:

Arthur was based on about 4 Brithonic kings. I can't remember the exact details but they were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owain_Danwyn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athrwys_ap_Meurig

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosius_Aurelianus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riothamus

There were a few other's proposed to have added to the legend but I forgot which ones.

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ThereWeAreThen
1 hour ago, Piney said:

Arthur was based on about 4 Brithonic kings. I can't remember the exact details but they were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owain_Danwyn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athrwys_ap_Meurig

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosius_Aurelianus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riothamus

There were a few other's proposed to have added to the legend but I forgot which ones.

I see Welsh names so I win!:tsu:

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MissJatti

When people say GOD, I think of nature. I mean for example, When people pray for it to be a boy. Does GOD decide or nature for a boy. Back in the days of old, people pray for rain and sun, to have a good harvest growing in the fields. But its nature who provides not GOD.

Well thats what I think.

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onlookerofmayhem
7 minutes ago, MissJatti said:

When people say GOD, I think of nature. I mean for example, When people pray for it to be a boy. Does GOD decide or nature for a boy. Back in the days of old, people pray for rain and sun, to have a good harvest growing in the fields. But its nature who provides not GOD.

Well thats what I think.

Is there a point to anthropomorphize nature itself though?

To me the connotation is that god is some sort of being.

We already have a word for nature.

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Essan
4 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Is there a point to anthropomorphize nature itself though?

To me the connotation is that god is some sort of being.

We already have a word for nature.

Yes, the word for nature is god ;)         That's the whole origin of gods - an attempt by humans to understand, through anthropomorphism,  the otherwise inexplicable processes of nature - from "why are we here?" and "why won't it rain?" through to "why did fire from the sky suddenly appear and kill my cow?"

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XenoFish
3 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Is there a point to anthropomorphize nature itself though?

If nature has been given a voice it can be 'reasoned' with. Much like begging your car to start in the morning. If out of fear you ask god to quiet the anxiety you feel and a calm results from this, an association between the idea of god and emotional release is created. God becomes a 'thing' within the mind. If enough people are told about a god, believe in this god, pray/worship this god a religion is born. Someone else's faith becomes a system. It loses it's emotional value. In the case of spirituality the 'feeling' of importance is focused on. Perhaps this is due to seeking meaning, wanting to be important. It has some value. It is only when taken to extremes that it becomes toxic. 

The closest I come to any type of spirituality is the wonderment that I get while looking up at a starry sky, thinking "I am a part of this". With the full knowledge that all the bits and pieces that once made up me will be cast out into one day. 

In a religious context we are supposedly created with a set and defined purpose for our lives. Spirituality at least to me is about a meaningful feeling. 

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joc
5 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

If nature has been given a voice it can be 'reasoned' with. Much like begging your car to start in the morning. If out of fear you ask god to quiet the anxiety you feel and a calm results from this, an association between the idea of god and emotional release is created. God becomes a 'thing' within the mind. If enough people are told about a god, believe in this god, pray/worship this god a religion is born. Someone else's faith becomes a system. It loses it's emotional value. In the case of spirituality the 'feeling' of importance is focused on. Perhaps this is due to seeking meaning, wanting to be important. It has some value. It is only when taken to extremes that it becomes toxic. 

The closest I come to any type of spirituality is the wonderment that I get while looking up at a starry sky, thinking "I am a part of this". With the full knowledge that all the bits and pieces that once made up me will be cast out into one day. 

In a religious context we are supposedly created with a set and defined purpose for our lives. Spirituality at least to me is about a meaningful feeling. 

That was kind of beautiful actually.

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XenoFish

The more I look at religion I can see some of the reason why people follow it. A sense of community, as a means of organizing one's life, even morality. Using techniques such as prayer to ease the mind and if need be instill confidence in regards to something. The idea of God can also be a self-regulator, making morally right choices easier due to a figurative authority. What I personally don't get is taking all of it literal. I think that's the biggest downfall of religious beliefs. 

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Will Do
8 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

What I personally don't get is taking all of it literal.

 

Then why do you take all of it literal (to be fair) that God is just an idea?

 

 

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XenoFish

In regards to prayer and miracles I'm going to probably contradict myself in this. As I stated that prayer was a means of easing the mind and organizing one's thoughts. i do believe this to be so. But the idea of living on faith. Quite literally. If someone has trust that god will take care of them, they would probably live 'as is'. I actually did this for a time. Back when I was heavily into magick and had exhausted myself on 'systems'. I felt that if i just trusted that things would work out, they would, I would find a way. Because I believed in the possibility of such a thing. In my mind I had unwavering trust that I would be guided when I needed it. Let's just say that I got a lot of stuff done and life simply 'flowed'. Always worked for the practical things. At that point life was stupidly easy. 

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Will Do
29 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I actually did this for a time.

I felt that if i just trusted that things would work out, they would

At that point life was stupidly easy. 

 

You must have had legitimate reasons for apparently losing sight of this. Did impatience perhaps got the better of you?

Most of us, when struggling with the everyday matters of self-control, want it all now. Which only works to make what faith makes easy, difficult. 

But after experiencing this a number of times like we all do, it becomes easier to remain steadfast in the face of those natural urges to be impatient and stay the course where life is made easy because of faith.

 

 

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Crazy Horse
8 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Probably why he gave us AR-15's?

God gave us AR-15s, really?

But feel free to blame God for everything, and watch the world die a slow and agonising death.

Or,

Lets all take our fair share of responsibility for this mess, and do our level best to fix things.

We can all help unmake, what has been made.

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cormac mac airt
4 hours ago, Piney said:

Arthur was based on about 4 Brithonic kings. I can't remember the exact details but they were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owain_Danwyn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athrwys_ap_Meurig

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosius_Aurelianus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riothamus

There were a few other's proposed to have added to the legend but I forgot which ones.

I tend to agree. There was likely IMO never 'one' person responsible for being King Arthur. 

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Tatetopa
1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said:

God gave us AR-15s, really?

But feel free to blame God for everything, and watch the world die a slow and agonising death.

Or,

Lets all take our fair share of responsibility for this mess, and do our level best to fix things.

We can all help unmake, what has been made.

No not really.

No point in blaming god for anything.  

We  experience the joys of a beautiful day and we ride out the storms. Nature is not aware of or care about our joys or suffering.  Nature is the laws of physics, it unfolds without conscious direction or intervention.

People on the other hand  can make choices and are responsible  for their actions.  In this I agree, it is up to us to do our level best to fix things.

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danydandan
5 hours ago, Piney said:

Arthur was based on about 4 Brithonic kings. I can't remember the exact details but they were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owain_Danwyn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athrwys_ap_Meurig

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosius_Aurelianus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riothamus

There were a few other's proposed to have added to the legend but I forgot which ones.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muirchertach_mac_Muiredaig_(Mac_Ercae)

Should be on the list too. 

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Sherapy
3 hours ago, XenoFish said:

In regards to prayer and miracles I'm going to probably contradict myself in this. As I stated that prayer was a means of easing the mind and organizing one's thoughts. i do believe this to be so. But the idea of living on faith. Quite literally. If someone has trust that god will take care of them, they would probably live 'as is'. I actually did this for a time. Back when I was heavily into magick and had exhausted myself on 'systems'. I felt that if i just trusted that things would work out, they would, I would find a way. Because I believed in the possibility of such a thing. In my mind I had unwavering trust that I would be guided when I needed it. Let's just say that I got a lot of stuff done and life simply 'flowed'. Always worked for the practical things. At that point life was stupidly easy. 

I live similar to this, I see this as a coping skill, meaning I live my life on the assumptive, enter things will work out or they won’t and I will be fine either way. 
 

For me, I am going to get through one way or another. :wub:

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Piney
9 minutes ago, danydandan said:

The Ui Neill had nothing to do with the Arthurian Legends. That was later Irish Nationalism after they were kicked from power and the rightful heir exiled to Spain.

 

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onlookerofmayhem
2 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

God gave us AR-15s, really?

But feel free to blame God for everything, and watch the world die a slow and agonising death.

Or,

Lets all take our fair share of responsibility for this mess, and do our level best to fix things.

We can all help unmake, what has been made.

I'll just leave this with you :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

 

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Desertrat56
On 11/26/2019 at 1:38 PM, freetoroam said:

Who says its a "him"?  

Epicuris.

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joc
12 hours ago, XenoFish said:

I felt that if i just trusted that things would work out, they would, I would find a way. Because I believed in the possibility of such a thing. In my mind I had unwavering trust that I would be guided when I needed it. Let's just say that I got a lot of stuff done and life simply 'flowed'. Always worked for the practical things. At that point life was stupidly easy. 

I still live my life that way...I call it the Universal Flow...but really it's just my way of reducing stress to a minimal.  Things just work out most of the time...or they don't and if they don't... well...that's reality and you just deal with it.  But usually things do.  Not because of any magical flow of the Universe but because it's easy to flow with the river...it's difficult when we are fighting the current at every step of the way...the more one goes against the current, the more stress one has.  And for some...at least I know at times in my own life...Faith in God and prayer was a very important part of that flow.   And, for me, I think that the real thing going on in all of that was superstition.

 

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joc
9 hours ago, Sherapy said:

I live similar to this, I see this as a coping skill, meaning I live my life on the assumptive, enter things will work out or they won’t and I will be fine either way. 
 

For me, I am going to get through one way or another. :wub:

Great minds think alike!   :) 

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