Jesus Today

[+Desertrat56]

34 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

That's fine, it was only a thought experiment....

But, "Why bother?"

The world is burning, so somebody is going to have to do some flipping thing - no?

Who better than us?  If you see the world burning are you going to stand around waiting for a mesiah or a deity or an alien to show up to put the fire out?

[+Desertrat56]

32 minutes ago, joc said:

He caused the Flood...on purpose...that killed all but 3 or 4 people and most wildlife....

Why would he care about the world burning?

I think it was 8 people, but why do you say Jesus caused the flood?  According to the mythology, he wasn't even "born" yet.

[Crazy Horse]

2 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Who better than us?  If you see the world burning are you going to stand around waiting for a mesiah or a deity or an alien to show up to put the fire out?

I'm not waiting for anything in particular, perhaps some inspiration - I heard there was some inspiration going cheap on Black Friday?

 

[+Desertrat56]

27 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

I'm not sure Jesus caused the Flood?

But anyway.

Forget the past, I am asking how Jesus might be today?

Whichever Jesus you believe in, or don't believe in....

Would He be political, or purely spiritual? That's an interesting question for me at least!

 

In my thoughts, if he ever existed, and he came back today, he would do the same things.  He didn't go to the kings and challenge them, he challenged the people to think about what was going on and change their behavior.  He challenged the rabi's by demanding they not let the money lenders in the temples.  It is the same today, religion is all about money and power, not about any deity.

[KNash]

He'd be at a loss for words at how people take biblical passages and their meanings out of context to suit their own biases.

[Crazy Horse]

7 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

In my thoughts, if he ever existed, and he came back today, he would do the same things.  He didn't go to the kings and challenge them, he challenged the people to think about what was going on and change their behavior.  He challenged the rabi's by demanding they not let the money lenders in the temples.  It is the same today, religion is all about money and power, not about any deity.

OK but, would He sacrifice Himself again, or, maybe, stick around for awhile and try to be more "proactive" this time....?  

The world is full of martyrs. But does anything change?

What's the end game here - freedom, love and happiness, or, something alot less appealing!   

[Crazy Horse]

14 minutes ago, KNash said:

He'd be at a loss for words at how people take biblical passages and their meanings out of context to suit their own biases.

He might be at a loss for words, but, He must have felt something.....Si?

How would an enlightened being react to personal slander - online abuse etc?

[Crazy Horse]

21 minutes ago, KNash said:

He'd be at a loss for words at how people take biblical passages and their meanings out of context to suit their own biases.

Which people would that be?

[+Desertrat56]

19 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

OK but, would He sacrifice Himself again, or, maybe, stick around for awhile and try to be more "proactive" this time....?  

The world is full of martyrs. But does anything change?

What's the end game here - freedom, love and happiness, or, something alot less appealing!   

Even if he existed I think the sacrifice  was a myth.  "Jesus died for your sins" is a lie.  No, he would not sacrifice himself, if it had really happened, it didn't change anything so why would he do the same again.  Your thought experiement is flawed.  We have to believe in a myth and no one can agree on what exactly that myth is.  So, you did not mention the sacrifice when you explained the thought experiment earlier.  But if that is part of it, then no, he didn't sacrifice himself the first time and he wouldn't the second time either.

[+Desertrat56]

12 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

He might be at a loss for words, but, He must have felt something.....Si?

How would an enlightened being react to personal slander - online abuse etc?

An enlightened being would know that it wasn't personal for one thing.  And what online abuse are you refering to?  That also would  not be personal.

[+joc]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

I think it was 8 people, but why do you say Jesus caused the flood?  According to the mythology, he wasn't even "born" yet.

According to Jesus..I am the great I am...before Moses was...I am.

And as part of the Holy Trinity...kind of hard to separate.

[Golden Duck]

On 12/9/2019 at 5:05 AM, KNash said:

He'd be at a loss for words at how people take biblical passages and their meanings out of context to suit their own biases.

So, basically, he'd be calling it all fake news.

[Piney]

On 12/3/2019 at 1:47 AM, and then said:

Most scholars seem to agree that Ezekiel wrote of the same time period for these events.  The armies in question will be REAL armies from Russia, Turkey, Iran and a few other nations who are all Islamic today. 

Which scholars? Not any Jewish ones. Nobody from any European seminary. Nor the Vatican. Nobody from the Harvard Divinity School or the Princeton Seminary.

Scholars at the Princeton Seminary both Jewish and Christian think that Ezekiel being applied to the modern world a sad and tasteless joke.

So list these " most scholars" and their divinity schools. 

 

 

 

[Alchopwn]

On 11/30/2019 at 8:34 AM, Crazy Horse said:

If the Christ Jesus came back today - how do you think He would react - to todays world?  Would He be pleased, angry or level-headed?  Would He be political or just spiritual?  Would He be out-spoken, again, or just quietly going about His business, helping one person at a time?

I think much depends on who you think Jesus actually is.  If you think Jesus is the son of the Jewish God, then Jesus has loads of superpowers and could make a go of things.  If you think that Jesus was a zealot from Galillee who liked to trade on his ability as a stage magician and his family pedigree, then you get quite a different answer.  As for people (like myself) who think  that Jesus is a fictional character, well then, he never really left...

I think superpower Jesus would probably be involved in an Israel based NGO like IsraAid, or possibly with a UN anti-poverty initiative.  I think he would also be an easily offended hipster douche troll hypocrite who would seek to "pillory those who called others fools while calling them fools himself".  if you know your Bible, you know what I'm talking about.  I also think Jesus would be in trouble with the law for threatening people on a regular basis.  As to his spirituality, he would probably hide his superpowers, and not even wear a cape.

If you think that Jesus was merely a zealot from Galillee, then his chances of survival in the modern era would be low.  He would be illiterate, would know no languages except perhaps Aramaic which is useless outside parts of Northern Syria, so that would place him in the middle of the Kurdish sector of the present civil war if he wanted to speak to anyone who wasn't fluent in Aramaic.  Amusingly, I could probably speak to him, given that I am fluent in Aramaic and Hebrew, and have a decent grasp of Old Hebrew, such as we know it.  If this Jesus wants to live, he better pick li'l ol atheist Alchopwn as his first disciple, and I will probably take quite a bit of convincing that he isn't merely insane.

[jypsijemini]

On 11/30/2019 at 8:04 AM, Crazy Horse said:

If the Christ Jesus came back today - how do you think He would react - to todays world?

Would He be pleased, angry or level-headed?

Would He be political or just spiritual?

Would He be out-spoken, again, or just quietly going about His business, helping one person at a time?

Depends. I don't think Jesus would want to have much to do with western cultures, honestly. Bit of a lost cause there. We're all arguing about gender neutrality; 'political' correctness; individual rights, opinions and perceptions > morality and ethics; and climate change. We're engrossed in technology and 'social' media while distancing ourselves from authentic community and socialisation - which is accelerating the rates of mental illness and substance abuse. Cults and new religions are popping up like weeds, choking true spirituality. There are hundreds of different forms (denominations) of Christianity that are now using the Christ character as a way to sell their own agendas under the guise of an authentic religion.

Western culture today would expect Jesus to refrain from picking a gender, he'd have to be non-political, if he performed miracles he'd just end up in a 'magician' compilation on YouTube, he'd have to be vegan if he wanted anybody to believe in his divinity (which wouldn't go down well with the carnivores), he couldn't have any political or religious views without upsetting somebody...

And if he incarnated in a third world country, the western world wouldn't accept the legitimacy of his claims because they'd just assume he was a crazy tribal witchdoctor with a cult following.

'Jesus' certainly wouldn't be pleased. He'd be more inclined to be angry and disappointed - particularly directing his feelings towards the men and women who use his name to justify their behaviours and lifestyles. He'd be going after them first and foremost. He'd want to set the record straight - but wouldn't get very far because those 'Christians' would just defend themselves and probably wouldn't believe he was really Jesus anyway.

I think that he'd be much more inclined to blend in and assume a sort of anonymity while observing the current state of the world. He'd take on some sort of meaningful role like a social worker, a teacher, a counsellor, a nurse etc. Or he'd just live out his days in a Buddhist monastery assuming a life of silence and celibacy.

I really think that he wouldn't even bother coming back again. The world today is too sceptical. We rely so much on science, evidence and proof - and yet so many just want to be justified in their own reasoning and have the right to live life the way that they believe suits them. People are incredibly selfish, fearless of consequences and their actions are fuelled by instant-gratification.

Spiritually, the world would need to gravitate back to a search and desire for love, community, peace, harmony, unity, acceptance and understanding before we'd be ready for another influential spiritual leader and influencer. It's getting there, but we're still a long way from it. Right now, most everybody wants to be right, wants to be insta-famous, wants to live their best life and they don't care about the affect that their choices have on other people. People are too selfish and self-obsessed for someone like Jesus to even consider coming back to help humanity again.

[psyche101]

[Golden Duck]

2 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Noob prolly usin' god mode.

[SHaYap]

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

Noob prolly usin' god mode.

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[SHaYap]

You can't make this up, a game where you get to be Jesus, the trailer was released three days ago but I saw it just a minute ago as a YouTube suggestion...

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[spud the mackem]

There are lots of Jesus's in Portugal, Spain, and South America , maybe one of them is the real person ,just waiting to see how the people on this planet react to the Carbon effect , don't forget He said  "In my Fathers house there are many mansions" . 

[Debra F. II]

I think he'd be upset, never was he outspoken to begin with and I think he'd show his unconditional love with open arms after he turned us up some.

[onlookerofmayhem]

35 minutes ago, Debra F. II said:

never was he outspoken to begin

Wasn't that his entire gig?

Speaking/preaching?

I mean, besides the "miracles" that never happened, speaking was pretty much a cornerstone of the story.

[Debra F. II]

; )

[+Desertrat56]

40 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Wasn't that his entire gig?

Speaking/preaching?

I mean, besides the "miracles" that never happened, speaking was pretty much a cornerstone of the story.

I thought the corner stone of the story was his murder by the romans who were given him by the rabis.

[lightly]

30 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I thought the corner stone of the story was his murder by the romans who were given him by the rabis.

          I always liked the story, because it was a new twist on the centuries/millinea ? old story of sacrificial animals . In this case a sacrificial "Lamb (of God"). .  And that this time it was God making the sacrifice ,on our behalf ,  of "his only begotten Son".

    Jesus, being a man, prayed  in Mark 14: 36 "Abba, Father , all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt."

 

             I loved it too, when Jesus was brought before Pilate (or the governor) and asked something like 'so, your a King huh?'   ...and Jesus just said "Thou sayest". .or "Thou sayest it".   

Edited December 12, 2019 by lightly